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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#241 » by JB7 » Fri Sep 5, 2025 4:11 pm

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Please explain this plausible deniability. I don’t see any.
Ballmer and Kawhi are both guilty af of fraud.


Not if Ballmer was a victim of fraud himself, he made some contributions & sponsorship deals with a fraudulent company, who then made some sponsorship deals with Kawhi, probably not the first or last time a sponsorship company/deal was less than truthful

There is zero motive in that scenario for the scamming company to take the $50M they got from Ballmer, and instead of using it to enrich their scam, immediately give it away to Kawhi Leonard to do nothing for them. Meanwhile all the motive in the world for the Clippers to pay Kawhi off the books to evade the salary cap, and it never comes to light if the patsy company doesn’t go under.

Cuban’s “scammers do scammy things” argument is so stupid. What kind of scam gives out $48M for free, where can I find a scam like that?


I think Cuban's just speaking from experience. He just limited it to the company, and purposely excluded Ballmer, from the “scammers do scammy things” argument because of Ballmer's wealth and status.

I imagine Cuban's argument could have applied to him as well when he was a majority owner. He probably just feels comfortable talking out about it now, because he does not have the majority shares, and is not making the decisions anymore.
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

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This bit. And the bit where he says i don't remember and its Kawhi's business. And then is quick to remember Kawhi a case was dismissed while with the spurs.
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#244 » by brownbobcat » Fri Sep 5, 2025 5:29 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:He certainly comes across smarter than the goofy guy you see cheering at courtside. Which of course makes sense for such a wealthy successful guy. I can't tell if he's throwing Kawhi and co. under the bus when he stresses, we made the introduction, after that it's Kawhi's business.

Mark Cuban defended Ballmer here:

https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/mark-cuban-defends-steve-ballmer-amid-controversial-kawhi-leonard-reports-01k48tmardmb

The basic question remains - why did Aspiration give Kawhi a contract for $28M cash and $20M stock in return for nothing?

Of all the hypothetical "Why would he? Why would they?" questions, this is the most fundamental.

The obvious answer is the Clippers/Ballmer and I've seen no convincing evidence to the contrary. And yes, the onus is now on them to prove innocence. "I don't know" is not an excuse. There is no presumption of innocence when the IRS/CRA find an extra $28M in your bank account.
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#245 » by OakleyDokely » Fri Sep 5, 2025 5:41 pm

You also know who took contract discounts and then found himself in paid roles within the organization after he retired while not doing much... Dirk.

I bet Cuban did something similar.
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Post#246 » by brownbobcat » Fri Sep 5, 2025 5:47 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:You also know who took contract discounts and then found himself in paid roles within the organization after he retired while not doing much... Dirk.

I bet Cuban did something similar.

Kawhi's endorsement work makes Dirk "not doing much" look like Stephen A Smith levels of grind.
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Re: Kawhi 

Post#247 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Sep 5, 2025 5:50 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:You also know who took contract discounts and then found himself in paid roles within the organization after he retired while not doing much... Dirk.

I bet Cuban did something similar.

For some reason this doesn't bother me as much.

Vets who have been with a team forever taking some sweetheart deals and making money post-retirement? Fine with me.

Guys stealing FA's from other team and paying them under the table..? Whole nother level of being a POS.
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Re: Kawhi 

Post#248 » by ciueli » Fri Sep 5, 2025 5:55 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:You also know who took contract discounts and then found himself in paid roles within the organization after he retired while not doing much... Dirk.

I bet Cuban did something similar.


Absolutely. Dirk goes from being the second highest paid player in the league and an All-Star in 2013-14 to the 81st highest paid player in the league in 2014-15 making barely over a third of what he was making, then in 2015-16 he was the 88th highest paid player. He gave up a ton of money when there were many teams willing to offer more, then in 2016-17 when he is clearly on the downside of his career he was suddenly the 8th highest paid player in the league for no reason, clearly a make good contract as a thank you for taking less the previous two seasons and helping the Mavs financially. He also got a job with the front office once he retired, no one knows how much he was paid for that.
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#249 » by TheGeneral99 » Fri Sep 5, 2025 6:07 pm

Clippers fans on Reddit:

From the moment we got Kawhi it has been continuous letdowns and for a lack of better word, turmoil.

From him bending us over backwards to trade ALL our assets for PG instead of trusting our front office, to the injuries (tho not exactly his fault), to the first few years he would commute from San Diego to practice/games, to barely speaking about the team whatsoever (heard him speak more on this Asia shoe tour than I think his entire Clippers career), to not sitting on the bench when he was injured, to all this Uncle Dennis bs, to making Team USA, having a workout then being sent home, to the front office never revealing when he would come back from injuries, always playing coy, to now this alleged being paid under the table bull…

I’m just tired boss. Tired of the disruptions.

Lebron always rubbed me the wrong way with the power struggle with his team’s front offices, with Klutch sports and what should be a conflict of interest, with him playing GM and picking players and coaches… but tbh, Kawhi is just as bad, only it’s not magnified cause dude is a mute.

Amazing player when he actually plays, but with all the shenanigans, I’m just kind of over it, and tbh been over it.

Hope we don’t get punished too hard, hope Ballmer stays the owner, but also I want off this Kawhi ride and can’t wait to see us move on and stop moving heaven and Earth for him.



I haven’t been loving Kawhi for about 2 years now and I wanted him badly back in 2019. I was predicting he would go to us when most people thought he was going to the Fakers.

The guy has done more harm to our franchise more than anyone. He was the one who wanted Paul George because he didn’t believe we had a good enough team to win when we had just won 48 games with zero all-stars and took the Warriors with a healthy KD to 6 games. Houston only took them to 6 but with KD out by Game 5. Kawhi didn’t have the foresight in SGA. PatBev was right. We only needed HIM. That’s all they ever needed before trading away the entire farm and losing our depth for him that costs us 10 years.

Prior to getting him, he was trying to weasel his way out of San Antonio, one of the most respectable franchises out there. Maybe because he couldn’t handle Pop’s meddling and suppressing his stats. Then he ditches Toronto after winning a chip for them after we stalked him for an entire season, pretty much violating the rules with our tampering. Kawhi entire game mimics MJ and more of Kobe. Iso ball 1-on-1. It doesn’t work in today’s game when the ball needs to keep swinging around and around.

I say, **** him. We need to keep worrying about his knees and B2B games. If Kawhi was on another team, I bet the OP wouldn’t defend him at all. OP would go full roast if he was a Laker. But since he plays for our Clippers, we need to defend and be in this denial like some do with Ty Lue and when we still had Doc Rivers. Then after Kawhi is gone, you start going to town with him saying he was a big waste of money and time for us. How we lost a decade by trying to swing big with him which ended up being a huge miss.

For all the **** LeBron gets, at least he tries not to miss games. Dude is going to turn 41. While he helped deliver a bubble championship, it’s still a championship. They also won the first NBA Cup. We can’t even win Summer League or make the cut for the Cup. Lakers won 6 playoff series while we won only 3 since 2020. Hate Lakers and LeBron all you want. He is an egomaniac but the Lakers mostly got their money’s worth with him. We got TEMU LeBron or TEMU MJ/Kobe who has never been worth it.

Really ask yourself was Kawhi really worth it? The answer is a big fat NO. I respect Kawhi’s game. I get that. I’m not blind what I’m seeing when he does play. But his defenders become blind after anything bad he does. Great player. The greatest player we ever had. Questionable character with he and Uncle Dennis carrying lots of baggage.
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Re: Kawhi 

Post#250 » by PushDaRock » Fri Sep 5, 2025 7:23 pm

ciueli wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:You also know who took contract discounts and then found himself in paid roles within the organization after he retired while not doing much... Dirk.

I bet Cuban did something similar.


Absolutely. Dirk goes from being the second highest paid player in the league and an All-Star in 2013-14 to the 81st highest paid player in the league in 2014-15 making barely over a third of what he was making, then in 2015-16 he was the 88th highest paid player. He gave up a ton of money when there were many teams willing to offer more, then in 2016-17 when he is clearly on the downside of his career he was suddenly the 8th highest paid player in the league for no reason, clearly a make good contract as a thank you for taking less the previous two seasons and helping the Mavs financially. He also got a job with the front office once he retired, no one knows how much he was paid for that.


lol I forgot how odd that was

13/14 season: Dirk averaged 21.7 ppg and was an AS

2014 Summer he takes a 3 year 25m deal with player option

2016 Summer he declines the player option and signs a 1 year 25m deal

Even if he didn't get anything on the side, that's some pretty damn clear circumvention going on lol but I guess they don't care as long as nothing was "promised".
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#251 » by NinjaBro » Fri Sep 5, 2025 8:14 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:Clippers fans on Reddit:

From the moment we got Kawhi it has been continuous letdowns and for a lack of better word, turmoil.

From him bending us over backwards to trade ALL our assets for PG instead of trusting our front office, to the injuries (tho not exactly his fault), to the first few years he would commute from San Diego to practice/games, to barely speaking about the team whatsoever (heard him speak more on this Asia shoe tour than I think his entire Clippers career), to not sitting on the bench when he was injured, to all this Uncle Dennis bs, to making Team USA, having a workout then being sent home, to the front office never revealing when he would come back from injuries, always playing coy, to now this alleged being paid under the table bull…

I’m just tired boss. Tired of the disruptions.

Lebron always rubbed me the wrong way with the power struggle with his team’s front offices, with Klutch sports and what should be a conflict of interest, with him playing GM and picking players and coaches… but tbh, Kawhi is just as bad, only it’s not magnified cause dude is a mute.

Amazing player when he actually plays, but with all the shenanigans, I’m just kind of over it, and tbh been over it.

Hope we don’t get punished too hard, hope Ballmer stays the owner, but also I want off this Kawhi ride and can’t wait to see us move on and stop moving heaven and Earth for him.



I haven’t been loving Kawhi for about 2 years now and I wanted him badly back in 2019. I was predicting he would go to us when most people thought he was going to the Fakers.

The guy has done more harm to our franchise more than anyone. He was the one who wanted Paul George because he didn’t believe we had a good enough team to win when we had just won 48 games with zero all-stars and took the Warriors with a healthy KD to 6 games. Houston only took them to 6 but with KD out by Game 5. Kawhi didn’t have the foresight in SGA. PatBev was right. We only needed HIM. That’s all they ever needed before trading away the entire farm and losing our depth for him that costs us 10 years.

Prior to getting him, he was trying to weasel his way out of San Antonio, one of the most respectable franchises out there. Maybe because he couldn’t handle Pop’s meddling and suppressing his stats. Then he ditches Toronto after winning a chip for them after we stalked him for an entire season, pretty much violating the rules with our tampering. Kawhi entire game mimics MJ and more of Kobe. Iso ball 1-on-1. It doesn’t work in today’s game when the ball needs to keep swinging around and around.

I say, **** him. We need to keep worrying about his knees and B2B games. If Kawhi was on another team, I bet the OP wouldn’t defend him at all. OP would go full roast if he was a Laker. But since he plays for our Clippers, we need to defend and be in this denial like some do with Ty Lue and when we still had Doc Rivers. Then after Kawhi is gone, you start going to town with him saying he was a big waste of money and time for us. How we lost a decade by trying to swing big with him which ended up being a huge miss.

For all the **** LeBron gets, at least he tries not to miss games. Dude is going to turn 41. While he helped deliver a bubble championship, it’s still a championship. They also won the first NBA Cup. We can’t even win Summer League or make the cut for the Cup. Lakers won 6 playoff series while we won only 3 since 2020. Hate Lakers and LeBron all you want. He is an egomaniac but the Lakers mostly got their money’s worth with him. We got TEMU LeBron or TEMU MJ/Kobe who has never been worth it.

Really ask yourself was Kawhi really worth it? The answer is a big fat NO. I respect Kawhi’s game. I get that. I’m not blind what I’m seeing when he does play. But his defenders become blind after anything bad he does. Great player. The greatest player we ever had. Questionable character with he and Uncle Dennis carrying lots of baggage.
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#252 » by Tripod » Fri Sep 5, 2025 8:16 pm

Balmer gives them $50 million

Kawhi gets 28 mill + 20 mill in stock options

Kawhi gets 3 payments of 7 mill each yet does nothing for this money.

Deal only valid if he remains a Clip

Aspire gets a $2 million "thank you" from Balmer

It's really clear what happened.

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Post#253 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Sep 5, 2025 8:23 pm

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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#254 » by JB7 » Fri Sep 5, 2025 8:40 pm

Where do we start up the thank you to Kawhi thread, to not only thank him for winning us a championship, but for also choosing the Clippers to bring this disaster, an organization that truly deserves all the mess it has seen over the decades. :D :lol:
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Post#255 » by JustLucky » Fri Sep 5, 2025 8:40 pm

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JustLucky wrote:wew I just heard the good news. looks like were getting a couple clipper draft picks


How does this affect the Raps, wasn't this on his 2nd deal with the clippers ?

I still think there's enough plausible deniability to avoid any wrong doings


because it would be tied to cap circumvention from his free agency where his agents asked for similar things from the raptors
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Post#256 » by Tha Cynic » Fri Sep 5, 2025 9:26 pm

JB7 wrote:Where do we start up the thank you to Kawhi thread, to not only thank him for winning us a championship, but for also choosing the Clippers to bring this disaster, an organization that truly deserves all the mess it has seen over the decades. :D :lol:


Kawhi Leonard should be creating a thread thanking the Raptors for giving him a championship because there’s no way he was winning one with any of the other teams. Dude is lucky he ended up on such a stacked team, with a bunch of dudes who played so well together that they compensated for his selfish individual game, and not giving a **** about his teammates. This dude would not win any championship as a leader of his team imo.
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#257 » by Airmiess » Fri Sep 5, 2025 9:32 pm

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JB7 wrote:Where do we start up the thank you to Kawhi thread, to not only thank him for winning us a championship, but for also choosing the Clippers to bring this disaster, an organization that truly deserves all the mess it has seen over the decades. :D :lol:


Kawhi Leonard should be creating a thread thanking the Raptors for giving him a championship because there’s no way he was winning one with any of the other teams. Dude is lucky he ended up on such a stacked team, with a bunch of dudes who played so well together that they compensated for his selfish individual game, and not giving a **** about his teammates. This dude would not win any championship as a leader of his team imo.

They could make a netflix doc on that season.
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#258 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Sep 5, 2025 9:54 pm

Tofubeque wrote:
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Please explain this plausible deniability. I don’t see any.
Ballmer and Kawhi are both guilty af of fraud.


Not if Ballmer was a victim of fraud himself, he made some contributions & sponsorship deals with a fraudulent company, who then made some sponsorship deals with Kawhi, probably not the first or last time a sponsorship company/deal was less than truthful

There is zero motive in that scenario for the scamming company to take the $50M they got from Ballmer, and instead of using it to enrich their scam, immediately give it away to Kawhi Leonard to do nothing for them. Meanwhile all the motive in the world for the Clippers to pay Kawhi off the books to evade the salary cap, and it never comes to light if the patsy company doesn’t go under.

Cuban’s “scammers do scammy things” argument is so stupid. What kind of scam gives out $48M for free, where can I find a scam like that?


Those same scammers paid out other celebs, that's what a pyramid scheme is,
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Post#259 » by XTC » Fri Sep 5, 2025 10:20 pm

Can someone repost that AI generated image of Kawhi planting a tree :lol:
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