Bears 12.0

[Dresden]

- Cam Ward and Bo Nix dueling for the worst passer rating in the league today. Tua already locked in a 51. Bryce Young a 49. Russel Wilson 59

- Might have to include Michael Penix into the 2024 QB derby

CJ Stroud with a pretty poor day too- only 188 yards, no TD, 1 INT. 74 rating.

[Dresden]

Geno Smith had a big day for LV as they upset the Pats and ruined Vrabel's debut. 362 yards. Maybe the Pats were so focused on stopping Jeanty. Brock Bowers picked right up where he left off last year with 103 yards on 5 catches.

[fleet]

Micah Packers had 1 tackle today. Guess it was a sack. Although you may want more for your money. No idea how many snaps though. The main addition might be more swag and attitude on the entire defense now.

[dougthonus]

Has to be some type of weird scripting on the users phone that is altering what is there.

Probably unrelated, but RealGM is basically unusable on mobile nowadays (iphone, chrome).

Every thread redirects to this spam page in a matter of seconds:



viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2471184

guess it's already being discussed

I use the Brave browser and it works fine, but I have the problem you mentioned on chrome mobile

[Chi town]

So are the Lions toast after losing both coordinators?

[Dresden]

Sure. To date, Poles has not had the success I would expect a good GM to have over a 3 year period. We'll see what happens this year, fingers crossed.

I'm not so sure it's out of the ordinary for a complete rebuild to take this long. I think you can find examples of it happening faster, but is that success sustained? And I think there are also examples of it taking longer.

Look at the Patriots for example....since Brady left in 2019, the Pats have gone:

7-9
10-7
8-9
4-13
4-13

And they are considered a premier franchise with good mgt.

Or look at the Saints since Brees retired:

9-8
7-10
9-8
5-12

They had a few winning seasons in there, but the direction of the team is not going up after 4 years.

I'd much rather be in the Bears situation, where after 3 seasons of losing, we should be in a position now to start being relevant again.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

Sure. To date, Poles has not had the success I would expect a good GM to have over a 3 year period. We'll see what happens this year, fingers crossed.

I'm not so sure it's out of the ordinary for a complete rebuild to take this long. I think you can find examples of it happening faster, but is that success sustained? And I think there are also examples of it taking longer.

Look at the Patriots for example....since Brady left in 2019, the Pats have gone:

7-9
10-7
8-9
4-13
4-13

And they are considered a premier franchise with good mgt.

Or look at the Saints since Brees retired:

9-8
7-10
9-8
5-12

They had a few winning seasons in there, but the direction of the team is not going up after 4 years.

I'd much rather be in the Bears situation, where after 3 seasons of losing, we should be in a position now to start being relevant again.

I was under the impression that the Bears were trying to win last year. Rookie QB but a lot of vet signings/trades, right?

[Susan]

Difference being

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Fields with zero sacks in the first half, impressive half for the Jets. Over 5.5 minutes ahead on TOP, that Steelers defense is going to get tired in the second half.

Steelers running game is non-existent, they're relying on Rodgers magic but with the way he moves in the pocket there's just less magic there.

Yet that creaky QB now has 4 TD passes.
Fields with a walk-in TD run from about 2 yds. Steelers D went all-in on stopping inside run.
[not that I care anything about Fields and Rodgers, just that this is one of the few early games that is actually close and going back-n-forth]

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Was a fun game to watch, Fields keeps playing like that and the Jets will continue to lean into him and he'll get himself a nice contract there.

None of it felt like he was playing outside of himself, took what they were giving him and made plays where they were.

[Susan]

Sure. To date, Poles has not had the success I would expect a good GM to have over a 3 year period. We'll see what happens this year, fingers crossed.

I'm not so sure it's out of the ordinary for a complete rebuild to take this long. I think you can find examples of it happening faster, but is that success sustained? And I think there are also examples of it taking longer.

Look at the Patriots for example....since Brady left in 2019, the Pats have gone:

7-9
10-7
8-9
4-13
4-13

And they are considered a premier franchise with good mgt.

Or look at the Saints since Brees retired:

9-8
7-10
9-8
5-12

They had a few winning seasons in there, but the direction of the team is not going up after 4 years.

I'd much rather be in the Bears situation, where after 3 seasons of losing, we should be in a position now to start being relevant again.

I was under the impression that the Bears were trying to win last year. Rookie QB but a lot of vet signings/trades, right?

Bears FO have been pretending like they're ready to compete before the season for the last 3 years. They're just clueless.

[fleet]

Sure. To date, Poles has not had the success I would expect a good GM to have over a 3 year period. We'll see what happens this year, fingers crossed.

I'm not so sure it's out of the ordinary for a complete rebuild to take this long. I think you can find examples of it happening faster, but is that success sustained? And I think there are also examples of it taking longer.

Look at the Patriots for example....since Brady left in 2019, the Pats have gone:

7-9
10-7
8-9
4-13
4-13

And they are considered a premier franchise with good mgt.

Or look at the Saints since Brees retired:

9-8
7-10
9-8
5-12

They had a few winning seasons in there, but the direction of the team is not going up after 4 years.

I'd much rather be in the Bears situation, where after 3 seasons of losing, we should be in a position now to start being relevant again.

I was under the impression that the Bears were trying to win last year. Rookie QB but a lot of vet signings/trades, right?

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[Dresden]

Sure. To date, Poles has not had the success I would expect a good GM to have over a 3 year period. We'll see what happens this year, fingers crossed.

I'm not so sure it's out of the ordinary for a complete rebuild to take this long. I think you can find examples of it happening faster, but is that success sustained? And I think there are also examples of it taking longer.

Look at the Patriots for example....since Brady left in 2019, the Pats have gone:

7-9
10-7
8-9
4-13
4-13

And they are considered a premier franchise with good mgt.

Or look at the Saints since Brees retired:

9-8
7-10
9-8
5-12

They had a few winning seasons in there, but the direction of the team is not going up after 4 years.

I'd much rather be in the Bears situation, where after 3 seasons of losing, we should be in a position now to start being relevant again.

I was under the impression that the Bears were trying to win last year. Rookie QB but a lot of vet signings/trades, right?

That wasn't the point. The point was that a lot of rebuilds take longer than 3 years.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

That wasn't the point. The point was that a lot of rebuilds take longer than 3 years.

So why make "win now" deals if it's a rebuild? Ostensibly it's to accelerate it and win. And they won 5 games. I'm just not sure the GM thought what you're saying.

[fleet]

That wasn't the point. The point was that a lot of rebuilds take longer than 3 years.

So why make "win now" deals if it's a rebuild? Ostensibly it's to accelerate it and win. And they won 5 games. I'm just not sure the GM thought what you're saying.

Good question.

Not winning when it’s “time to win” is bad, but not as bad as not having a good plan in place for your prized rookie quarterback to develop. And that’s understated.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

That wasn't the point. The point was that a lot of rebuilds take longer than 3 years.

So why make "win now" deals if it's a rebuild? Ostensibly it's to accelerate it and win. And they won 5 games. I'm just not sure the GM thought what you're saying.

Good question.

Not winning when it’s “time to win” is bad, but not as bad as not having a good plan in place for your prized rookie quarterback to develop. And that’s understated.

I think Poles has "looked good" because of incredibly good luck. I mean, I'll take the #1 pick twice in a row. Don't really understand the football rebuild logic, but I started watching the Bears last season because I thought they might be good.

What are we thinking about this season? Depends on Caleb's development? .500 team?

[SalmonsSuperfan]

really crazy **** bills/ravens game by the way.

[Betta Bulleavit]

So are the Lions toast after losing both coordinators?

It’ll make for a lot of juicy discussion this week. But I think it’s premature. There’s obviously going to be some bumps in the road, but I don’t think that what we saw today is necessarily indicative of what’s to come. Even without last year’s coordinators, there is still a ton of talent on both sides of the football. They’ll be better than they were today…even if not good as the past couple of years.

[fleet]

Not toast. But the Bears shouldn’t be facing them while they have the same aura around their team as they had before. This line should normally be higher

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[Susan]

Not toast. But the Bears shouldn’t be facing them while they have the same aura around their team as they had before. This line should normally be higher

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Good news - they looked like absolute **** yesterday.

Bad news - it might just be because the Packers are really freaking good.

[dougthonus]

I'm not so sure it's out of the ordinary for a complete rebuild to take this long. I think you can find examples of it happening faster, but is that success sustained? And I think there are also examples of it taking longer.

I'm not trying to model a typical team. I want to model a great team. I also don't believe really in the durability of great franchises, but moreover, I've described why I think Poles specific strategy of trading picks for players while rebuilding is a poor strategy to execute at this time and will lessen our total value.

I'd much rather be in the Bears situation, where after 3 seasons of losing, we should be in a position now to start being relevant again.

I mean yes, if we just assume this is going to have a good outcome, then of course.

[Dresden]

That wasn't the point. The point was that a lot of rebuilds take longer than 3 years.

So why make "win now" deals if it's a rebuild? Ostensibly it's to accelerate it and win. And they won 5 games. I'm just not sure the GM thought what you're saying.

Franchises always say they want to win. I"m not sure how many veterans were brought in last year- Keenan Allen and Keith Byard are the two that come to mind. Franchises can be doing both things at the same time- rebuilding and trying to win. The vets they did bring in were added ostensibly to help with both.