Shams: Brogdon joins Knicks

[WaltFrazier]

Didn’t know we had room, we need to remove someone or had a free spot?

Gotta move pieces.

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I wonder if getting in a position where we have to move pieces means other teams will play more hardball on trades

[Richard4444]

Still early but I wonder how they plan to go about the starting lineup and rotation if they keep Brogdon, which seems likely

If you start

Brunson Bridges OG KAT Mitch

with

Brogdon Deuce Clarkson Hart Yabusele


the balance of the bench looks a bit off but you could always stagger them I guess. I think I've seen stats that Yabusele is better as a small ball 5 than a 4. You could also just start Deuce too which I prefer. I guess you could also just not play Brogdon but I think we need a true floor general when Brunson is off. Curious to see how it plays out

The plan looks like to be:

Brunson/Clarkson
Deuce/ Brogdon (Shamet after a trade)
Mikal/Hart
OG/Yabu
KAT/Mitch

Knicks aren’t starting Deuce lol

We have 4 backcourt players that demand rotation minutes: Bruson, Deuce, Brogdon and Clarkson.

Brogdon and Clarkson were reserves last seasons ( former 6th man winners).

Barring any trades, Deuce is a great option to start.

[WaltFrazier]

Called it. Hopefully he starts over Hart

You think we are better off with Brogdon starting over Deuce?

Deuce still has this season and next year left on his deal, but I think he is playing for a contract extension. He is also 25. I think this is the year that Deuce is playing to secure his last good long-term contract. We are dependent on Deuce taking the next step because he has got the youngest legs among our guys. He needs to be our POA defender.

Deuce needs to be one of our most important guys going into the postseason if we want to win the title. When our vets gets outran by younger guys, that's where a guy like Deuce is needed to help us keep up.

It would be a miracle if Brogdon could turn the clock back 3 years ago and be the 6MOTY he was for the Celtics. I'm just not sure if that's asking for too much.

I want Deuce to start but Brogdon brings more size, experience, and ball handling/playmaking ability. Either way I’m good tho.

I don't think Brogdon starts but if healthy he can certainly play minutes with Brunson, as well as backing up Brunson. He could really help relieve JB of bringing the ball up vs full court pressure, and allow him some catch and shoots

[3toheadmelo]

The plan looks like to be:

Brunson/Clarkson
Deuce/ Brogdon (Shamet after a trade)
Mikal/Hart
OG/Yabu
KAT/Mitch

Knicks aren’t starting Deuce lol

We have 4 backcourt players that demand rotation minutes: Bruson, Deuce, Brogdon and Clarkson.

Brogdon and Clarkson were reserves last seasons ( former 6th man winners).

Barring any trades, Deuce is a great option to start.

Deuce was pretty terrible in the playoffs though, can’t see them looking at him as a starter. They’re likely gonna go big with Mitch at C and trade one of the guards.

[RHODEY]

I get the obsession for acquiring wings. But this team needed more shot makers and creators. Knicks got 2 off the bench that can potentially contribute 10-15 mins per game. Biggest issue in the playoffs is that there was not enough scoring off the bench. That’s issue seems to have been resolved.

I am honestly not the biggest Shamet fan. I know he had some good moments on the Pacers series, but he was so wildly inconsistent last season. I hope Brogdon has enough left in the tank and they wind up keeping their rookies and cutting Shamet.

Shamet really came around toward the end of the season and into the playoffs. I tend to think this performance reflects more of his true potential since he was coming off of that devastating shoulder injury and still getting used to playing with the team.

Regarding your first point I agree.


That's something like 40 points combined added not counting Shamet. And yes they likely don't get the same level of usage for us, but even taking away 20 percent that's still an additional 30 ppg from the bench. And as you mentioned each player give us something we didn't have last season, shot making, a backup 4 with 3 point range , and true play making/vet leadership behind Brunson.

[Richard4444]

Knicks aren’t starting Deuce lol

We have 4 backcourt players that demand rotation minutes: Bruson, Deuce, Brogdon and Clarkson.

Brogdon and Clarkson were reserves last seasons ( former 6th man winners).

Barring any trades, Deuce is a great option to start.

Deuce was pretty terrible in the playoffs though, can’t see them looking at him as a starter. They’re likely gonna go big with Mitch at C and trade one of the guards.

Playoffs games is a small sample size to make roster decsions.

I can see them trade Deuce for a center. However, I am not optimistic about center that we can trade Deuce for. He needs to have a small salary and doesnt have much trade calue.

[Butch718]

Knicks aren’t starting Deuce lol

We have 4 backcourt players that demand rotation minutes: Bruson, Deuce, Brogdon and Clarkson.

Brogdon and Clarkson were reserves last seasons ( former 6th man winners).

Barring any trades, Deuce is a great option to start.

Deuce was pretty terrible in the playoffs though, can’t see them looking at him as a starter. They’re likely gonna go big with Mitch at C and trade one of the guards.

He had good moments in the Boston series and the lineups had more cohesion offensively with him in it.

[thebuzzardman]

We have 4 backcourt players that demand rotation minutes: Bruson, Deuce, Brogdon and Clarkson.

Brogdon and Clarkson were reserves last seasons ( former 6th man winners).

Barring any trades, Deuce is a great option to start.

Deuce was pretty terrible in the playoffs though, can’t see them looking at him as a starter. They’re likely gonna go big with Mitch at C and trade one of the guards.

Playoffs games is a small sample size to make roster decsions.

I can see them trade Deuce for a center. However, I am not optimistic about center that we can trade Deuce for. He needs to have a small salary and doesnt have much trade calue.

Knicks have Towns, Mitch, Huk and a little bit of Yabu to play center, why do they need a 4th center?

[stuporman]

Deuce was pretty terrible in the playoffs though, can’t see them looking at him as a starter. They’re likely gonna go big with Mitch at C and trade one of the guards.

Playoffs games is a small sample size to make roster decsions.

I can see them trade Deuce for a center. However, I am not optimistic about center that we can trade Deuce for. He needs to have a small salary and doesnt have much trade calue.

Knicks have Towns, Mitch, Huk and a little bit of Yabu to play center, why do they need a 4th center?

What have you done with the real buzz?

The real buzz would say we need more depth because Mitch will be hurt, Towns can't play defense, Yabuty is too small for consistent center play and Huk sucks.

I demand you release him from the basement he's tied up in and give him a fresh bottle of Buzzard's Roost.

[rajajackal]

we don't need shamet anymore. he's a very disposable player

[Wildcat]

Knicks aren’t starting Deuce lol

We have 4 backcourt players that demand rotation minutes: Bruson, Deuce, Brogdon and Clarkson.

Brogdon and Clarkson were reserves last seasons ( former 6th man winners).

Barring any trades, Deuce is a great option to start.

Deuce was pretty terrible in the playoffs though, can’t see them looking at him as a starter. They’re likely gonna go big with Mitch at C and trade one of the guards.

Deuce had a decent 2nd round series. I'll give him that. Deuce not having to run point with Hart and Clarkson (and Malcolm if he makes it on the team and has playing time) is a big plus for him.

[thebuzzardman]

we don't need shamet anymore. he's a very disposable player

Feel like the invite is a hedge against Brogdan being washed.

Is Brogdan a PG? Yes. Is Shamet a SG? Yes.

My guess is they prefer Brogdan, who fills the need for a true PG, but if it turns out he's physically done, they are ok rolling with Clarkson as a combo guard PG, not unlike Payne but somewhat more drive and kick than Payne was.

If Brogdan sticks, the Knicks would have the following SG like players on the roster:

Bridges
Clarkson
Deuce
Hart (kinda sorta)

And Brogdan capable of playing off ball.

Don't really need Shamet.

Not sure if Kolek is worth keeping as a 3rd PG, but teams has usually carried 3 PGs and 3 Cs.



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[RHODEY]

we don't need shamet anymore. he's a very disposable player

Feel like the invite is a hedge against Brogdan being washed.

Is Brogdan a PG? Yes. Is Shamet a SG? Yes.

My guess is they prefer Brogdan, who fills the need for a true PG, but if it turns out he's physically done, they are ok rolling with Clarkson as a combo guard PG, not unlike Payne but somewhat more drive and kick than Payne was.

If Brogdan sticks, the Knicks would have the following SG like players on the roster:

Bridges
Clarkson
Deuce
Hart (kinda sorta)

And Brogdan capable of playing off ball.

Don't really need Shamet.

Not sure if Kolek is worth keeping as a 3rd PG, but teams has usually carried 3 PGs and 3 Cs.



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[El Poochio]

This is how you build the bench folks!!

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[Polk377]

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This is a key to what Mike Brown wants. Drive and kick out to open shooters. We didn't have enough true drivers who could break a defense and JB who is our best is a scorer on drives who kicks out less.

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[ezmoney707]

At least we won’t have to make any trades now, but this is unfortunate

[Wildcat]

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Lmao, I **** dead.

[delvec19]

Didn't we need him for depth? Why did he retire? This is weird.