Blazers coach Chauncey Billups arrested by FBI for illegal gambling

[liquidswords]

Shut the league down for 3 seasons. Have Kash Patel and Trump clean up the league. Resume back in the 2028/2029

League will reopen with white, American-born players only, only teams from red states participate and Trump is part-owner of every franchise.

We're still doing the whole "Trump is racist" thing?

Color me **** shocked.

[Maxthirty]

Of course they wont, but the sports should really end this betting nonsense. Just an awful look to support this crap that ruin way more lives than booze and drugs.

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Settle down. That’s not close to true.

[The Laker Kid]

Adam Silver has a better chance of growing his hair back than cleaning up the league at this point.

[Mephariel]

Lies.

Everything you see today in terms of popularity, Stern laid the foundation. Stern resurrected the league at a point when games were not even played live. Then had the foresight to make it a players league, basically saying teams don't move tickets, players do. And he was right. Along with Jordan, helped globalized the Sport in the 90s and make it into one of the big 3. And all the influx of foreign talent we see today? Doesn't happen without Stern. David Stern started all that in the 90s. Silver hasn't progressed the Sport forward in any way shape or form. Not one.

Also, I never will claim Stern was perfect. But he is dancing circles around $ilver as a commissioner.

The NBA just signed the largest TV deal in its history.
The NBA has revenue growth every single year under Silver.
The NBA is more global than ever before, with influx of international stars, including plans to expand to Europe. The NBA is bigger than ever in China.
The NBA has the highest level of attendance in the last two years.
For all the flaws in the WNBA, the WNBA is now more popular then ever.

Stern laid the foundation, but Silver was the one who continued to grow it. I have nothing but respect for what Stern did, but Silver absolutely grew the NBA.

- The NBA signing the largest TV deal ever doesn't reflect that Silver has grown the game. Context - Corporations with the buying power of Disney and Amazon didn't exist in their current state 25 years ago. Especially Amazon. The rich get richer and so do their spending habits. Nothing new.

- Revenue growth. Again, he is riding on the coattails of a billion dollar company that was established and given to him by Daddy Stern. So Stern's product is still relevant today. I guess we can credit Silver for not absolutely running it into the ground I guess.

- Global growth - Again, another residual effect of Stern. There is literately no NBA presence overseas without Stern. Hell, it was barely a presence in the US when he took it over. The NBA was already a global sport with a high influx of foreign talent at the time Stern stepped down so giving credit to Silver for inheriting a billion dollar global business is ridiculous.

- The WNBA literately is only relevant because of one player changing the landscape of that overnight. Silver has zero to do with Clark being a US icon in women's sports. She was already bringing new eyes to women's basketball before even getting drafted to the WNBA.

I am sorry but you have to cope with reality. "The NBA signing the largest TV deal doesn't reflect that Silver has grown the game." It does actually. Corporations still have to see value to give you that deal. Look at what ESPN did with baseball. They renegotiated that deal because they didn't see the value. Corporations see value in the NBA, or they wouldn't pay for it.

"Riding on Coattail" and "residual effect" are not serious arguments. Stern absolutely deserves credit for growing the game internationally, but so does Silver. We have more international stars now than before, and at the early stages of expanding to Europe. Silver repaired its relationship with China and continue to grow the game there today. Are you saying 50 years from now, the commissioner working shouldn't get credit for anything because Stern started some of the foundations? It is a ridiculous argument.

The WNBA was growing before Clark. Clark accelerated that growth. But your argument is rich because Stern benefited greatly from Michael Jordan. Would the NBA under Stern in the 90s be as popular without him? Also, playoffs and Finals ratings this year was high even with Clark out. Team valuations in the WNBA exponentially grown over the years. The WNBA has never been in a place as good as now.

Everything I said are facts. Whether you want to give credit or not, that is your prerogative. But don't act like Silver didn't grow the league. Of course he did.

[DusterBuster]

stupid af...jesus

Also, when you listen to the amount of money involved here, it's a lot, but it's not like... amazing amounts for guys of this stature, especially when you consider what the splits probably were for their involvement. Have to image that maybe Billups and Rozier's involvement with this mafia affiliated groups ran deeper (debt) than just getting a little extra cash in a sleezey side hustle.

[Maxthirty]

Shut the league down for 3 seasons. Have Kash Patel and Trump clean up the league. Resume back in the 2028/2029

League will reopen with white, American-born players only, only teams from red states participate and Trump is part-owner of every franchise.

We're still doing the whole "Trump is racist" thing?

lmao uh, yeah. We sure are.

[Mephariel]

Shut the league down for 3 seasons. Have Kash Patel and Trump clean up the league. Resume back in the 2028/2029

League will reopen with white, American-born players only, only teams from red states participate and Trump is part-owner of every franchise.

We're still doing the whole "Trump is racist" thing?

I mean, he is not doing himself a favor talking about cooking dogs and cats.

[Ambrose]

Read on Twitter

In for the speculation

[mastermixer]

I don’t think Chauncey could have done this.

I saw him once when I was like 12 or 13 and he was very nice and humble with me.

[Mean_Streets]

I don’t think Chauncey could have done this.

I saw him once when I was like 12 or 13 and he was very nice and humble with me.

[CobraCommander]

Adam Silver has a better chance of growing his hair back than cleaning up the league at this point.

yep...we finding out officially what we already suspected....

the NBA never should have gotten in bed with gambling.


the NBA is looking like the WWE at this point...

[CobraCommander]

I don’t think Chauncey could have done this.

I saw him once when I was like 12 or 13 and he was very nice and humble with me.

he is right tho...I saw Chancey once at the gas station and he paid for his gas and didnt rob the place...so yeah I don't think he could be in the mob

[KyRo23]

I don’t think Chauncey could have done this.

I saw him once when I was like 12 or 13 and he was very nice and humble with me.

Damon Jones signed an autograph for me a couple years ago at a Lakers game. He’s innocent. Free my guy

[Effigy]

Read on Twitter

In for the speculation

MJ? Barkley?

[Effigy]

I don’t think Chauncey could have done this.

I saw him once when I was like 12 or 13 and he was very nice and humble with me.

Damon Jones signed an autograph for me a couple years ago at a Lakers game. He’s innocent. Free my guy

Did you think he was someone else?

[AleksandarN]

Read on Twitter

In for the speculation

Mayweather Jordan ?

[PushDaRock]

Read on Twitter

In for the speculation

MJ? Barkley?

My totally uninformed guess is Paul Pierce

[mrmsix6]

League will reopen with white, American-born players only, only teams from red states participate and Trump is part-owner of every franchise.

We're still doing the whole "Trump is racist" thing?

lmao uh, yeah. We sure are.

Read on Twitter

[Mephariel]

Who is the boxer? Willie Monroe Jr? Joe Smith Jr?

[pepe1991]

I was never big fan of Stern, but league felt "healthy" as sport under him, and he actually worked to make league better product for SPORTS FANS.
He had to deal with wannabe gangsters, actual gangsters, hip hop culture from 90s, players beating coaches etc.


Silver turned product into casual spectators friendly , glorified friendly games,where due inflation of stats every team & fanbase is convinced that they have superstar(s) or future superstar(s).
Silver gave power to players without any tools to prevent abuse of power. That led to massive migration and superteams creation and he had to change cap rules to bribe players into staying with original teams, creating massive new problems for teams (supermax is toxic contract for team that uses it ).

Silver allowed player to create own player's agency & abuses all the CBA rules of tempering. That player for years has more power than Silver himself. We all know who he is.

Silver promised expansion but once again without any clear idea how. Current idea of expansion in Europe is type of league nobody in Europe wants. That thing without arab- oil-lords ain't happening. Good luck getting them to play by "rule book" of CBA.

Silver promised bigger revenue and indeed gave bigger revenue, but it is very clear that owners are fighting back and that's why Second Apron became a thing. To give sports excuse for owners to stop spending money on basketball team.
There are rumors that Celtics were sold because team simply was too expensive & not profitable under cap burden any more.

Silver still promises cap raise, but only revenue he can exploit is gambling money. I guess oil money is next. Once you combine sport that uses system of rewarding bad teams for being bad & already shady lottery and industry of gambling you are creating such a problem that he is simply too dumb to understand or too greedy to see.


NBA's holy Grail of integrity is salary cap , as he promotes parity. Yet, we kind a already know that teams abused it & found ways how to avoid cap.

I would personally argue that his idea of "parity" in current system is nothing but forced contenders cycling, as teams, even ones who do it "right way", still have no tools how to keep great roster for longer period of time due Second Apron restrictions & punishment.


btw Silver and NBA never "discover" anything. That's his modus operandi. Silver didn't discover or exposed Sterling being racist ( everybody knew) it was TMZ.
Silver didn't discover anything about Kawhi, Torre did. NBA in 2019 had investigation, despite Raptors & Lakers yelling , investigation didn't find anything wrong with Uncle Dennis asking parts of ownership of hockey team

Silver didn't discover anything about Rozier. Rather rushed in January to proclaim him freed from all charges. Until FBI dropped hammer.

Silver never finds anything, Silver always has same MO. Sweeping everything under a rug and pretending it didn't happen. Guy flat out lied to fans & media he never heared of Aspiration like 20 days ago.

The first super team was created in 2008 with the Celtics under Stern. Lebron went to Miami in 2010 and created the super team under Stern. But somehow, he didn't allow players to abuse the league but Silver did? Silver created the second apron to prevent this from happening. What did Stern do?

All your complains about Silver is conjecture. We haven't seen NBA Europe yet. I am not going to judge him on something that hasn't happened. The owners are fighting back against revenue? Are you even reading what you wrote? The NBA team valuations grew tremendously under Silver. What are you even talking about when it comes to spending revenue. The NBA is spending more because revenue is more. That is how revenue sharing works.

Everything else you said is just ranting about what he could have done in specific cases. Nothing about the game.

But we all know you hate the NBA. It is obvious. Every post you made is about how the NBA is failing, how nobody making money, and how NBA shouldn't be in China right?

Celtics weren't really superteam. Especially not in context of Heat or Warriors that will follow. Rather team of 3 aiging star players who were no longer good enough to carry teams on their own.
In season before joining Celtics, KG had 32-50 record with Wolves, Allen had 31-51 record with Supersonics and Pierce and his Celtics were at 24-58.
Also back in 2007-2008, people over 30 in nba were considered "old" because, they were for that period of time.
Again context of time matters. Before joining Celtics, Allen didn't play in playoffs for 3 yeras. Kevin Garnett was in even worst sitaution, he wasn't in playoffs since 2004. Pierce and Celtics, even on mediocre East failed to make playoffs for two years in a row before "superteam".

Adding even more context, In 2007 KG was only part of "big 3" that was actually considered top 10 player. equivalent of such "superteam" would be today's Cavs. Mitchell ( top 10 player) + 2 all stars ( Mobley + Garland ). Matter of fact current Cavs roster has more allstars than "superteam Celtics" had.


In context of age, Lebron left 61-21 team, at age of 26. Bosh left 40-42 Raptors. At age of also 26. To join Wade, who already won title as best player, and was clear cut top 5 player in moment team was created.

I already said that owners all agreed on Second Apron restrictions because it gives them basketball reasons to have control over total cost of basketball team. They run teams like firm, if there is no profit, they won't keep it. That's why 29/30 teams are now below second apron, at start of new season. That's why they "help " each other shed cap space when it's needed. 50% of luxury tax that owner pays ends up in pockets of other owners. Also every year at least several teams actually lose money.

Under Stern league signed first massive tv deal, in 2008, that ran through 2015.
Stern stepped down in 2014, in very same 2014, NBA signed TV deal worth 24 billion dollars over 9 years.

So league was already expending, under Stern. Silver took over in 2014.

Rest of your post is you replaying things i never said and argue against own claims. Nothing worth replaying.

Love all the parts where you "forgot " to adress, like Silver lying that he never heared of Aspiration or this part

“Terry Rozier, as of right now, has been cleared. He finished the season with Miami. There’s really nothing active, as of right now, with him. NBA spokesman Mike Bass did give a statement to me yesterday,” said Charania. “He said that the league is cooperating with the federal prosecutors.”

I guess nobody told feds that he was cleared by all mighty, saint Silver