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Post#601 » by thelead » Yesterday 2:28 pm

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Bro, a ton of good points but we're 3 games in. You're going to have a coronary before Thanksgiving at this rate.

LOL. I didn’t make the video. I am surprised this guy is still alive. His blood pressure must be through the roof :lol:
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Post#602 » by thelead » Yesterday 2:30 pm

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How they make an anti-Mose video and not highlight the offense :lol:

I don't think I can really question Mose on defense. This video shows a whole bunch of crap decisions by Paolo, Bane and TDS, but we knew those guys weren't great defenders. Our centers struggle with PnR and pick and pop bigs sometimes, we also know that. The problem is with Bane, TDS and Tyus (ranging from mediocre to horrific on D) firmly in the rotation and with Paolo who is also bad at defense we now are losing some of our defensive identity. Also throw in the fact that Isaac can barely play and Suggs is on a restriction. That could be fine if we make up for it with a DRASTIC increase in offense, but right now that side looks mostly the same, but faster.

Mose usually gets sick of crap defense fast, which is why I said from the beginning I would not be surprised if AB plays more PG over Tyus. Also potentially opens a path for Penda to earn some minutes if Isaac is cooked.

Yeah, he should have focused on the unforced turnovers and terrible shot selection.
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Post#603 » by yoyojw17 » Yesterday 2:30 pm

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:o :o

Damn .... Get this guy on our bench please
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Post#604 » by OrlandoDream » Yesterday 2:38 pm

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Damn this is just poor organization and leadership. Inexcusable for these rookie mistakes on defense from a "defensive" minded coaching staff.
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Post#605 » by eyriq » Yesterday 2:38 pm

Paolo's playmaking is non-existent and Franz's playmaking load is reduced.

Are we transitioning away from a winghub offense?
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Post#606 » by rcklsscognition » Yesterday 2:40 pm

That guy didn’t cover or offense because he knew it’d put him in the hospital
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Post#607 » by thelead » Yesterday 2:41 pm

Guys, please take that video as entertainment. He’s right on some of it but besides the not running back on defense, which is inexcusable, I’d prefer focusing on the brain dead offense.
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Post#608 » by basketballRob » Yesterday 2:42 pm

The problem is shooting. When players get to Orlando, they suddenly can't make wide open shots.

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Post#609 » by thelead » Yesterday 2:48 pm

basketballRob wrote:The problem is shooting. When players get to Orlando, they suddenly can't make wide open shots.

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I would say the biggest problem is that Paolo isn’t Wemby, Ant, or Luka. We’d still have issues but those guys are efficiently leading the offense and keeping their teams in games instead of negatively affecting their teams. We have to win in spite of what Paolo is doing. That is a tough hole to climb out of considering his usage rate.
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Post#610 » by Fortune Teller » Yesterday 2:51 pm

The point guard problem was not addressed in the offseason and it shows. Jones is a journeyman backup and Suggs is still a part-time player at this point. Black’s assist-turnover ratio remains horrific. So what has changed? Bane adds shooting but it’s in the context of an offense with no floor general.
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Post#611 » by basketballRob » Yesterday 3:03 pm

Fortune Teller wrote:The point guard problem was not addressed in the offseason and it shows. Jones is a journeyman backup and Suggs is still a part-time player at this point. Black’s assist-turnover ratio remains horrific. So what has changed? Bane adds shooting but it’s in the context of an offense with no floor general.
We don't need a traditional PG here. We need a PG who can hit a high volume of 3s and open up the court.

Black's assist to turnover rate hasn't been horrific before this season. I think pairing him with another low volume guard off the bench is a mistake. Malik Beasley would've been perfect instead of Jones to pair with Black off the bench.

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Post#612 » by VFX » Yesterday 3:13 pm

eyriq wrote:Paolo's playmaking is non-existent and Franz's playmaking load is reduced.

Are we transitioning away from a winghub offense?


Paolo has 2 assists in 3 games.

I’m not saying that’s the reason we are losing. It’s more an indictment of the offense being non existent because Paolo is a black hole in “winghub” bull ****. Everyone stands around and watches him hoist up horrifically difficult stupid shots.

At least with Franz he can finish at the rim most times in isolation. Paolo just hunts free throws if he isn’t taking fadeaway jumpers over 6 foot point guards.

I don’t take that as “Paolo just needs to hit shots”. Because if he has an off night the production goes nowhere due to him contributing nothing if he doesn’t have the ball in his hands.

It’s a coaching issue. Paolo needs to catch the ball off a play that creates room. He has to learn to be effective off ball. The offense has to be more complex than one dimension. They went out and got Desmond Bane for a million picks and I’m watching an iso show still that cant collapse defenses.
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Post#613 » by rcklsscognition » Yesterday 3:22 pm

Someone has to fix Paolo. If it isn’t Mosely move on with it. We need a fundamentally different offensive system.
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Post#614 » by three3d » Yesterday 3:26 pm

Paolo + Franz just can’t work together and it’s time to answer the question of just whose team is this.
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Post#615 » by basketballRob » Yesterday 3:28 pm

three3d wrote:Paolo + Franz just can’t work together and it’s time to answer the question of just whose team is this.
Paolo isn't eligible to be traded for a while. So do you think we should trade Franz? I think he's eligible to be traded in December.

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Post#616 » by Bergmaniac » Yesterday 3:34 pm

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eyriq wrote:Paolo's playmaking is non-existent and Franz's playmaking load is reduced.

Are we transitioning away from a winghub offense?


Paolo has 2 assists in 3 games.

I’m not saying that’s the reason we are losing. It’s more an indictment of the offense being non existent because Paolo is a black hole in “winghub” bull ****. Everyone stands around and watches him hoist up horrifically difficult stupid shots.

At least with Franz he can finish at the rim most times in isolation. Paolo just hunts free throws if he isn’t taking fadeaway jumpers over 6 foot point guards.

I don’t take that as “Paolo just needs to hit shots”. Because if he has an off night the production goes nowhere due to him contributing nothing if he doesn’t have the ball in his hands.

It’s a coaching issue. Paolo needs to catch the ball off a play that creates room. He has to learn to be effective off ball. The offense has to be more complex than one dimension. They went out and got Desmond Bane for a million picks and I’m watching an iso show still that cant collapse defenses.

Paolo has 6.7 potential assists per game so far according the nba.com stats, the typical ratio is one actual assist for every two potential assists, he only has 1 assist per game so far. He obviously needs to be better, but his teammates have also shot way worse than expected from his passes.
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Post#617 » by three3d » Yesterday 3:34 pm

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three3d wrote:Paolo + Franz just can’t work together and it’s time to answer the question of just whose team is this.
Paolo isn't eligible to be traded for a while. So do you think we should trade Franz? I think he's eligible to be traded in December.

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Magic news: Paolo Banchero admits he 'couldn't believe' Orlando's ...
Paolo Banchero is currently eligible for a trade, as he signed a rookie max contract extension with the Orlando Magic in July 2025. His new deal will begin with the 2026-27 NBA season, making him eligible to be traded starting in the 2025-26 season, as long as the new contract has not yet taken effect

Trade eligibility: As of the 2025-26 NBA season, Banchero is on the books for the Orlando Magic but is not yet subject to the terms of his new, long-term extension. This makes him eligible to be traded during this season.


Unless I’m missing something Paolo seems to be trade eligible still. I don’t believe I’d pick Paolo over Franz to build this team around. Franz is just to fundamentally solid and reliable.
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Post#618 » by Optimus_Steel » Yesterday 3:39 pm

The good: those 2 losses were winnable games. The Magic were in it despite some really terrible offense, turnovers, missed fts, mistakes, etc.

The bad: the offense still looks like a grind. We work so hard just to get decent look while other teams are being efficient getting looks over and over.


Point: still very early. Season is a marathon. Let see where we are in a month.
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Post#619 » by three3d » Yesterday 3:41 pm

People talk about “buddy ball” with Vooch and Fournier but man have you’ll noticed Paolo & WCJ ?

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the locker room was somewhat divided and behind closed doors there was/is in house issues.

How good was Goga playing with Franz last season when Paolo was out ??? What happened to Goga almost immediately when Paolo returned? How does Goga wind up with a concussion right AFTER the game we see him angry leaving the court ripping his jersey almost off at halftime ?
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Post#620 » by VFX » Yesterday 3:45 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
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eyriq wrote:Paolo's playmaking is non-existent and Franz's playmaking load is reduced.

Are we transitioning away from a winghub offense?


Paolo has 2 assists in 3 games.

I’m not saying that’s the reason we are losing. It’s more an indictment of the offense being non existent because Paolo is a black hole in “winghub” bull ****. Everyone stands around and watches him hoist up horrifically difficult stupid shots.

At least with Franz he can finish at the rim most times in isolation. Paolo just hunts free throws if he isn’t taking fadeaway jumpers over 6 foot point guards.

I don’t take that as “Paolo just needs to hit shots”. Because if he has an off night the production goes nowhere due to him contributing nothing if he doesn’t have the ball in his hands.

It’s a coaching issue. Paolo needs to catch the ball off a play that creates room. He has to learn to be effective off ball. The offense has to be more complex than one dimension. They went out and got Desmond Bane for a million picks and I’m watching an iso show still that cant collapse defenses.

Paolo has 6.7 potential assists per game so far according the nba.com stats, the typical ratio is one actual assist for every two potential assists, he only has 1 assist per game so far. He obviously needs to be better, but his teammates have also shot way worse than expected from his passes.


Yeah. The point isn’t about Paolo needing more assists for everyone to be successful. Never has. Never will.

The problem is the system. It’s coaching.

And yeah, nobody is afraid of Paolo to the point that drawing double teams is an option. He isn’t efficient enough for that. His shot selection is trash regardless. Bro is taking fadeaway jumpers on Davion Mitchell 9 feet from the basket.

Paolo Banchero needs to be COACHED into learning that he can create offense off a pass. He doesn’t need to dribble the ball a million times into a bad shot or drive into 3 bodies in the paint.

Are you suggesting the reason Paolo Banchero is bad right now is because he simply isn’t hitting shots or that his teammates aren’t hitting theirs? No thats simple Mosley speak. There’s a symptom for both of those things. If you boil everything down to those two things being the reason you are going to expect MORE of this non existent offense more often than not.

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