Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[BlacJacMac]

Stoner Sunday Blockbuster!

Celtics IN: Rudy, Jaden, RD, Mia SRP, MN SRP
OUT: White, Simons, Hauser, Pritchard

Heat IN: Randle and Pritchard
OUT: Ware, Rozier, SRP

TPUPS IN: White, Simons, Hauser, Ware, Rozier
OUT: Rudy, Randle, Jaden, RD, SRP
White/Ant/Hauser/Naz/Ware
Mike/Clark/TSJ/JB

Simons is just a 27M expiring salary for us?

[jpatrick]

Defense and PG are the biggest problems. The only PG that makes some sense is Nembhard if the Pacers decide they have enough PGs and go tank this year with Halliburton out. He’s also an excellent, versatile, defender, which can’t hurt on that end.

Dilly, DDV, Rocco - Nembhard
Dilly, Conley, Rocco, Pick - Nembhard

Something like that.

I wish there was a way to flip Randle for a better overall and defensive player, but I don’t see that deal out there at the moment.

[cmoss84]

Stoner Sunday Blockbuster!

Celtics IN: Rudy, Jaden, RD, Mia SRP, MN SRP
OUT: White, Simons, Hauser, Pritchard

Heat IN: Randle and Pritchard
OUT: Ware, Rozier, SRP

TPUPS IN: White, Simons, Hauser, Ware, Rozier
OUT: Rudy, Randle, Jaden, RD, SRP
White/Ant/Hauser/Naz/Ware
Mike/Clark/TSJ/JB

Simons is just a 27M expiring salary for us?

Good catch...I knew I was forgetting someone! Simons would be our 6th man. Would leave a decent bench.

[Norseman79]

Two trades I would consider that most of you are not going to like, because both players I would consider trading for most of you do not like. Lol

Bos in: Julius and Miller
Out: Simons and Hauser

Hornets in: Dillingham and DD
Out: Sexton

Pelicans in: Naz, Hauser
Out Murphy

MN out: Randle, Naz, DD, Rob, Miller
In: Sexton, Simons, Murphy

PG - Sexton, Simons, MCjr
SG - Edwards, Clark
SF - Murphy III, Shannon
PF - McDaniels, Berringer
C - Gobert, Rocco

Sign a vet of for depth.

[BlacJacMac]

Two trades I would consider that most of you are not going to like, because both players I would consider trading for most of you do not like. Lol

Bos in: Julius and Miller
Out: Simons and Hauser

Hornets in: Dillingham and DD
Out: Sexton

Pelicans in: Naz, Hauser
Out Murphy

MN out: Randle, Naz, DD, Rob, Miller
In: Sexton, Simons, Murphy

PG - Sexton, Simons, MCjr
SG - Edwards, Clark
SF - Murphy III, Shannon
PF - McDaniels, Berringer
C - Gobert, Rocco

Sign a vet of for depth.

I like Trey a lot. And I think he’s a better shooter than he showed last year.

Sexton and Simon’s are both UFAs after this season and I don’t see any way we sign both. We’d need to trade one of them for a playable big.

Because there is no way you can run with that front court rotation. And there is no vet on the street available to fix it.

Relying on Rocco at all or Joan as our 3rd big (almost our 2nd big) is going to lead us deep into the lottery.

Also I don’t think Joan can play any minutes next to Gobert or Rocco, so we don’t even have a 2nd team PF.

[Wolves21]

Defense and PG are the biggest problems. The only PG that makes some sense is Nembhard if the Pacers decide they have enough PGs and go tank this year with Halliburton out. He’s also an excellent, versatile, defender, which can’t hurt on that end.

Dilly, DDV, Rocco - Nembhard
Dilly, Conley, Rocco, Pick - Nembhard

Something like that.

I wish there was a way to flip Randle for a better overall and defensive player, but I don’t see that deal out there at the moment.

Nembhard would be a great get and that second teir PG option I was think off with the likes of White,Sexton & Coby.

Indy could be interested in the pair of DDV/Dillingham.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Tj McConnell would be nice when he gets back from injury. Pacers have a lot of guard talent, and may be willing to let him go with Halliburton out. Any interest? What would it take? Indiana probably doesn't have interest in what we could give up.

[Norseman79]

Two trades I would consider that most of you are not going to like, because both players I would consider trading for most of you do not like. Lol

Bos in: Julius and Miller
Out: Simons and Hauser

Hornets in: Dillingham and DD
Out: Sexton

Pelicans in: Naz, Hauser
Out Murphy

MN out: Randle, Naz, DD, Rob, Miller
In: Sexton, Simons, Murphy

PG - Sexton, Simons, MCjr
SG - Edwards, Clark
SF - Murphy III, Shannon
PF - McDaniels, Berringer
C - Gobert, Rocco

Sign a vet of for depth.

I like Trey a lot. And I think he’s a better shooter than he showed last year.

Sexton and Simon’s are both UFAs after this season and I don’t see any way we sign both. We’d need to trade one of them for a playable big.

Because there is no way you can run with that front court rotation. And there is no vet on the street available to fix it.

Relying on Rocco at all or Joan as our 3rd big (almost our 2nd big) is going to lead us deep into the lottery.

Also I don’t think Joan can play any minutes next to Gobert or Rocco, so we don’t even have a 2nd team PF.

I would only resign whichever one played better at the point. I see Sexton as a better point guard than Simon's, I see Simons as a better sixth man than sexton. We could resign both when you consider the amount of salary we gave up. Now that being said, I did mention bringing in a veteran free agent power forward. I also think McDaniels could be far better as a power forward in most matchups than people think. I love him at the three, but Murphy at the three would balance out. At least a few of those teams had very cheap power forwards that we could also pick up to alleviate your concern. But we should not struggle for offense with that group. And then we just need to make darn sure we hit on a PG in the draft sooner than later.

[shrink]

I’ve been making MIN trades here at RealGM for 20 years, and I can’t remember a time when it would be so hard to give up a player. (Maybe we finally have useful guys?)

We can’t give up Ant, he’s the franchise
We can’t give up Randle, he’s our #2, the only player that can get his, and he can playmake
We can’t give up Rudy. Backbone to our defense and boards, and Naz and Randle struggle
We can’t give up Jaden. Ant’s buddy, wants to be here, and we need his length and defense
We can’t give up Naz. Ant’s buddy, loved by the public, and the last two years, benchscoring was a team strength.
We can’t give up Mike. Connelly promised him, and free agents hear of GM’s break promises
We can’t give up DDV. He needs to recover his value, and we need him more with NAW gone
We can’t give up Shannon. We need his cheap multiyear contract

We have a lot of players that are “more valuable to us than you,” so it would be tough to win on value, plus a trade would often just create a new hole to fill.

[Norseman79]

I’ve been making MIN trades here at RealGM for 20 years, and I can’t remember a time when it would be so hard to give up a player. (Maybe we finally have useful guys?)

We can’t give up Ant, he’s the franchise
We can’t give up Randle, he’s our #2, the only player that can get his, and he can playmake
We can’t give up Rudy. Backbone to our defense and boards, and Naz and Randle struggle
We can’t give up Jaden. Ant’s buddy, wants to be here, and we need his length and defense
We can’t give up Naz. Ant’s buddy, loved by the public, and the last two years, benchscoring was a team strength.
We can’t give up Mike. Connelly promised him, and free agents hear of GM’s break promises
We can’t give up DDV. He needs to recover his value, and we need him more with NAW gone
We can’t give up Shannon. We need his cheap multiyear contract

We have a lot of players that are “more valuable to us than you,” so it would be tough to win on value,plus a trade would often just create a new hole to fill.

You aren't wrong, and two consecutive conference finals makes it easy to get complacent. I would argue you can move anyone but Ant, however, you better make damn sure the results are equal to or surpass the previous product.

[Domejandro]

I view Anthony Edwards, Rudy Gobert, and Jaden McDaniels as the only three in those list who Minnesota probably should not give up, and both Rudy Gobert and Jaden McDaniels theoretically could be, under the right circumstances.

Julius Randle can only be traded if for an upgrade, but otherwise, I think that the rest are super tradeable.

[Norseman79]

I view Anthony Edwards, Rudy Gobert, and Jaden McDaniels as the only three in those list who Minnesota probably should not give up, and both Rudy Gobert and Jaden McDaniels theoretically could be, under the right circumstances.

Julius Randle can only be traded if for an upgrade, but otherwise, I think that the rest are super tradeable.

Just out of curiosity, when you say for an upgrade do you mean at the power forward position or just at another position on the roster? For example, trading Randle alone is unlikely to bring back a higher quality player, but he could likely bring back a player that would upgrade our starting point guard position.

[shrink]

Let me ask it this way:

Which players are more valuable to other teams than they are to us? So we upgrade value?

Which players could we lose and not create holes in our roster?

[Klomp]

I’ve been making MIN trades here at RealGM for 20 years, and I can’t remember a time when it would be so hard to give up a player. (Maybe we finally have useful guys?)

We can’t give up Ant, he’s the franchise
We can’t give up Randle, he’s our #2, the only player that can get his, and he can playmake
We can’t give up Rudy. Backbone to our defense and boards, and Naz and Randle struggle
We can’t give up Jaden. Ant’s buddy, wants to be here, and we need his length and defense
We can’t give up Naz. Ant’s buddy, loved by the public, and the last two years, benchscoring was a team strength.
We can’t give up Mike. Connelly promised him, and free agents hear of GM’s break promises
We can’t give up DDV. He needs to recover his value, and we need him more with NAW gone
We can’t give up Shannon. We need his cheap multiyear contract

We have a lot of players that are “more valuable to us than you,” so it would be tough to win on value, plus a trade would often just create a new hole to fill.

I have had these exact thoughts, so you are absolutely correct.

I personally keep going back to the trio of Randle, DiVincenzo and Dillingham. We know the team needs a No. 2 option (especially if trading Randle) and needs a PG, and this is a trade package structure that we know has fetched a star player in the past and should again because it includes player value, a high enough combined salary, and a young prospect.

[Klomp]

I think Fox is going to be the guy to watch, as the best blend of both teams getting something they value.

Simply put, Fox gives Minnesota a PG. I wish he came a tad bit younger or cheaper, but I do think that's the player type we need to be targeting.

San Antonio does this in order to open up space for their young guards. Randle can still offer playmaking and a veteran presence for a young squad, but doesn't block Castle and Harper in the process. DiVincenzo would bring value to the Spurs, offering shooting and spacing off of Victor and Julius.

Trading Julius and Donte to the Spurs, playing next to Victor would likely lessen any hurt feelings about being traded. I'm not even sure they would need a day or two to adjust like they did coming here. Knowing they get to play with Victor would immediately boost their morale.

I might worry somewhat about Fox's morale because it sounded like San Antonio was his target, but I would be hopeful that going to a contender would be an exciting opportunity for him.

[BlacJacMac]

I think Fox is going to be the guy to watch, as the best blend of both teams getting something they value.

Simply put, Fox gives Minnesota a PG. I wish he came a tad bit younger or cheaper, but I do think that's the player type we need to be targeting.

San Antonio does this in order to open up space for their young guards. Randle can still offer playmaking and a veteran presence for a young squad, but doesn't block Castle and Harper in the process. DiVincenzo would bring value to the Spurs, offering shooting and spacing off of Victor and Julius.

Trading Julius and Donte to the Spurs, playing next to Victor would likely lessen any hurt feelings about being traded. I'm not even sure they would need a day or two to adjust like they did coming here. Knowing they get to play with Victor would immediately boost their morale.

I might worry somewhat about Fox's morale because it sounded like San Antonio was his target, but I would be hopeful that going to a contender would be an exciting opportunity for him.

I would hate that so much.

Fox can't shoot outside of 15' and the way his FT rate has dropped the past few years tells me his athleticism isn't what it once was. And he's always been a non-defender.

And he makes 50, 54, 58 and 62M starting next season.

[winforlose]

We don’t know if Joan can handle backup C minutes but we KNOW Naz cannot. If Naz shifts down to SF while Randle and Joan handle the 4/5 that leaves two other players. If Jaden is on the bench (makes sense during those minutes,) then you either want Clark (defense is important, plus Rudy is off the floor which is a plus, but Joan might be just as limited this season,) or TSJ at the SG. Sometimes Ant will be on the floor, sometimes he won’t. If DDV, Bones, or Dilly are rounding out that lineup I have serious questions about its viability. That said, getting it going now is essential. We need to know what we have ASAP so we can make informed decisions at the trade deadline.

[Klomp]

I think Fox is going to be the guy to watch, as the best blend of both teams getting something they value.

Simply put, Fox gives Minnesota a PG. I wish he came a tad bit younger or cheaper, but I do think that's the player type we need to be targeting.

San Antonio does this in order to open up space for their young guards. Randle can still offer playmaking and a veteran presence for a young squad, but doesn't block Castle and Harper in the process. DiVincenzo would bring value to the Spurs, offering shooting and spacing off of Victor and Julius.

Trading Julius and Donte to the Spurs, playing next to Victor would likely lessen any hurt feelings about being traded. I'm not even sure they would need a day or two to adjust like they did coming here. Knowing they get to play with Victor would immediately boost their morale.

I might worry somewhat about Fox's morale because it sounded like San Antonio was his target, but I would be hopeful that going to a contender would be an exciting opportunity for him.

I would hate that so much.

Fox can't shoot outside of 15' and the way his FT rate has dropped the past few years tells me his athleticism isn't what it once was. And he's always been a non-defender.

And he makes 50, 54, 58 and 62M starting next season.

These are definitely valid points. That's the issue though....there are no perfect answers to the problem. It might be a case of roster restructuring, where shifting the heavy salary and usage to guard can help the roster building as a whole. Maybe it's not Fox, but I think that's the next step to take.

[BlacJacMac]

I think Fox is going to be the guy to watch, as the best blend of both teams getting something they value.

Simply put, Fox gives Minnesota a PG. I wish he came a tad bit younger or cheaper, but I do think that's the player type we need to be targeting.

San Antonio does this in order to open up space for their young guards. Randle can still offer playmaking and a veteran presence for a young squad, but doesn't block Castle and Harper in the process. DiVincenzo would bring value to the Spurs, offering shooting and spacing off of Victor and Julius.

Trading Julius and Donte to the Spurs, playing next to Victor would likely lessen any hurt feelings about being traded. I'm not even sure they would need a day or two to adjust like they did coming here. Knowing they get to play with Victor would immediately boost their morale.

I might worry somewhat about Fox's morale because it sounded like San Antonio was his target, but I would be hopeful that going to a contender would be an exciting opportunity for him.

I would hate that so much.

Fox can't shoot outside of 15' and the way his FT rate has dropped the past few years tells me his athleticism isn't what it once was. And he's always been a non-defender.

And he makes 50, 54, 58 and 62M starting next season.

These are definitely valid points. That's the issue though....there are no perfect answers to the problem. It might be a case of roster restructuring, where shifting the heavy salary and usage to guard can help the roster building as a whole. Maybe it's not Fox, but I think that's the next step to take.

And I'm fine with that idea. I just think Fox is about as wrong of a target as there is. Like I don't want to trade for DJM or Coby White, but I would take either before Fox.

And as much as he's a "hometown hero", I'd trade Naz before Randle...

[Devilzsidewalk]

Defense and PG are the biggest problems. The only PG that makes some sense is Nembhard if the Pacers decide they have enough PGs and go tank this year with Halliburton out. He’s also an excellent, versatile, defender, which can’t hurt on that end.

Dilly, DDV, Rocco - Nembhard
Dilly, Conley, Rocco, Pick - Nembhard

Something like that.

I wish there was a way to flip Randle for a better overall and defensive player, but I don’t see that deal out there at the moment.

I think we could do Dilly/DDV straight up for Nembhard according to Spotrac trade machine. Indy could justify it has DDV is a better fit if Hali is available, and they get an interesting young prospect. Honestly, not even sure if I like the value for MN, but the fit is fantastic. Also this trade could be making the same mistake as the KAT Knicks trade, which is overestimating somebody based on a hot playoff run. Nembhard was a 29% 3 point shooter over 1800+ regular season minutes.