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[Matches Malone]

If they are going to be rotating corners all season in a competition, I'd like to see them get their money's worth on Hobbs and have him rotate with Bullard in the slot. That's his best position and Bullard has been a bit up and down this season. Might as well give it a look at some point.

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I've seen this type of statement posted before and im not sure what people are seeing that im not.

PFF isnt perfect by any stretch but the only game where Bullard has ranked bottom 5 on defense was the Cleveland game. Where have all the "downs" been?

Hobbs is right where he should be on the depth chart and not playing outside of Dime packages barring injury

If they want to rotate let Hobbs rotate that Dime slot position with Melton and let him get a snap or two a game

Most of his PFF ratings are average at best and (69.0 vs Pitt). His downs are few and far between recently but he still has lapses. He's 3rd in yards allowed/snap from the slot where's Hobbs (while smaller sample size) has given up 0 catches and just 1 target in 25 reps. Let him get some of the reps in Nickle package from the slot is all I'm saying. Or you can keep letting all that money you invested in Hobbs go to waste on the boundary where he gets eaten alive.

[RRyder823]

If they are going to be rotating corners all season in a competition, I'd like to see them get their money's worth on Hobbs and have him rotate with Bullard in the slot. That's his best position and Bullard has been a bit up and down this season. Might as well give it a look at some point.

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I've seen this type of statement posted before and im not sure what people are seeing that im not.

PFF isnt perfect by any stretch but the only game where Bullard has ranked bottom 5 on defense was the Cleveland game. Where have all the "downs" been?

Hobbs is right where he should be on the depth chart and not playing outside of Dime packages barring injury

If they want to rotate let Hobbs rotate that Dime slot position with Melton and let him get a snap or two a game

Most of his PFF ratings are average at best and (69.0 vs Pitt). His downs are few and far between recently but he still has lapses. He's 3rd in yards allowed/snap from the slot where's Hobbs (while smaller sample size) has given up 0 catches and just 1 target in 25 reps. Let him get some of the reps in Nickle package from the slot is all I'm saying. Or you can keep letting all that money you invested in Hobbs go to waste on the boundary where he gets eaten alive.

Or option C: Have him only play in the Dime packages slot position and accept it's allready wasted money

As for Bullard im not saying he doesnt have lapses. But that's like every player. He's still been pretty solid in the slot and is still a player that's hopefully growing. "Ups and Downs" to me suggest way more erratic play then what we've seen. If im misinterpreting that I apologize

Im not taking his snaps away for a guy who's worse and older because they made the mistake of signing him to nice contract

Hobbs is sunk cost. He's can be a depth piece but I've seen very little to suggest he deserves any kind of extra opportunity over the 3 guys who played over him last night




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[Matches Malone]

I've seen this type of statement posted before and im not sure what people are seeing that im not.

PFF isnt perfect by any stretch but the only game where Bullard has ranked bottom 5 on defense was the Cleveland game. Where have all the "downs" been?

Hobbs is right where he should be on the depth chart and not playing outside of Dime packages barring injury

If they want to rotate let Hobbs rotate that Dime slot position with Melton and let him get a snap or two a game

Most of his PFF ratings are average at best and (69.0 vs Pitt). His downs are few and far between recently but he still has lapses. He's 3rd in yards allowed/snap from the slot where's Hobbs (while smaller sample size) has given up 0 catches and just 1 target in 25 reps. Let him get some of the reps in Nickle package from the slot is all I'm saying. Or you can keep letting all that money you invested in Hobbs go to waste on the boundary where he gets eaten alive.

Or option C: Have him only play in the Dime packages slot position and accept it's allready wasted money

As for Bullard im not saying he doesnt have lapses. But that's like every player. He's still been pretty solid in the slot and is still a player that's hopefully growing. "Ups and Downs" to me suggest way more erratic play then what we've seen. If im misinterpreting that I apologize

Im not taking his snaps away for a guy who's worse and older because they made the mistake of signing him to nice contract

Hobbs is sunk cost. He's can be a depth piece but I've seen very little to suggest he deserves any kind of extra opportunity over the 3 guys who played over him last night

Who is to say he's worse when he's shown high ability from that spot? Plus, he's only a few years older, not some 30-year-old. I don't see the harm in letting him get some more rub than 4 snaps a game from a position he's good at. If anything, you're just building competition at that spot and making Bullard even better.

As for the Dime package solution, Packers hardly run it. 0.6% spent in Dime. Only TB and ATL utilize it less.

[RRyder823]

Most of his PFF ratings are average at best and (69.0 vs Pitt). His downs are few and far between recently but he still has lapses. He's 3rd in yards allowed/snap from the slot where's Hobbs (while smaller sample size) has given up 0 catches and just 1 target in 25 reps. Let him get some of the reps in Nickle package from the slot is all I'm saying. Or you can keep letting all that money you invested in Hobbs go to waste on the boundary where he gets eaten alive.

Or option C: Have him only play in the Dime packages slot position and accept it's allready wasted money

As for Bullard im not saying he doesnt have lapses. But that's like every player. He's still been pretty solid in the slot and is still a player that's hopefully growing. "Ups and Downs" to me suggest way more erratic play then what we've seen. If im misinterpreting that I apologize

Im not taking his snaps away for a guy who's worse and older because they made the mistake of signing him to nice contract

Hobbs is sunk cost. He's can be a depth piece but I've seen very little to suggest he deserves any kind of extra opportunity over the 3 guys who played over him last night

Who is to say he's worse when he's shown high ability from that spot? Plus, he's only a few years older, not some 30-year-old. I don't see the harm in letting him get some more rub than 4 snaps a game from a position he's good at. If anything, you're just building competition at that spot and making Bullard even better.

As for the Dime package solution, Packers hardly run it. 0.6% spent in Dime. Only TB and ATL utilize it less.

Heres where the differential is. I dont think hes legitimately "good" at the slot. At best hes serviceable to ok (Much like Bullard currently is)

Last year working a lot as the slot his pff grade was 66.8 and the year before 69.0 which arent bad and right there with Bullard this season so yeah if im getting equal value im going to go with the guy 3 years younger with a better chance at developing further

And sure create the competition in practice and if Hobbs start outshinning him there let him get some extra burn if he does. But that's different then just going to a time share so he can earn extra reps while the live bullets are flying



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[MVP2110]

I am seeing way too many people wanting the Packers to move on from McManus for Lucas Havrisik. Havrisik was awesome for 2 weeks, but in his only prior kicking experience he was 75% on FGs & 86% on XP. 2 games is way too small of a sample for me to rely on at this point

[Ron Swanson]

I am seeing way too many people wanting the Packers to move on from McManus for Lucas Havrisik. Havrisik was awesome for 2 weeks, but in his only prior kicking experience he was 75% on FGs & 86% on XP. 2 games is way too small of a sample for me to rely on at this point

True but if McManus is still shorting makeable kicks and looking not completely recovered from the injury, you probably need to IR him until he's healthy. Then see what you have with Havrisik these next few weeks.

[MickeyDavis]

I am seeing way too many people wanting the Packers to move on from McManus for Lucas Havrisik. Havrisik was awesome for 2 weeks, but in his only prior kicking experience he was 75% on FGs & 86% on XP. 2 games is way too small of a sample for me to rely on at this point

Exactly. Franchise record 61 yard FG! That's great. He's also been cut by 5 teams. But as Ron said if McManus is hurt and maybe rushing back, IR him for 4 games. The missed kicks didn't hurt us last week but at some point a missed kick will make a difference.

[Treebeard]

What is the mid-season grade for Aaron Banks? I know he had a nagging injury earlier, impacting availability.

Safe to say, the consensus is that the Hobbs signing hasn't panned out at all. A waiver wire guy might have worked just as well (to this point anyway)

[Ron Swanson]

PFF has him 58th out of 78 Guards, and can't say that doesn't completely match the eye test. This organization has always done very well backfilling the guard spots and depth with cheap and capable guys (Lane Taylor, Evan Dietrich-Smith, TJ Lang, Josh Sitton, Don Barclay, etc.), which is why I never understood the thought process of spending big money in free agency on a guy who was an aggressively mediocre starter.

[JCP11]

PFF has him 58th out of 78 Guards, and can't say that doesn't completely match the eye test. This organization has always done very well backfilling the guard spots and depth with cheap and capable guys (Lane Taylor, Evan Dietrich-Smith, TJ Lang, Josh Sitton, Don Barclay, etc.), which is why I never understood the thought process of spending big money in free agency on a guy who was an aggressively mediocre starter.

I remember when they signed Banks, I turned the tape on and it was so underwhelming I was confused. Like he's not horrible but he's not worth that money at all. I'm sure Belton could have done the same job with the fraction of the cost and with the upside of getting better.

[MickeyDavis]

PFF has him 58th out of 78 Guards, and can't say that doesn't completely match the eye test. This organization has always done very well backfilling the guard spots and depth with cheap and capable guys (Lane Taylor, Evan Dietrich-Smith, TJ Lang, Josh Sitton, Don Barclay, etc.), which is why I never understood the thought process of spending big money in free agency on a guy who was an aggressively mediocre starter.

I remember when they signed Banks, I turned the tape on and it was so underwhelming I was confused. Like he's not horrible but he's not worth that money at all. I'm sure Belton could have done the same job with the fraction of the cost and with the upside of getting better.

I don't doubt that you watched clips of him and I agree he's been underwhelming. I'm just curious what the Packers scouting department and Gute saw differently.

[JCP11]

PFF has him 58th out of 78 Guards, and can't say that doesn't completely match the eye test. This organization has always done very well backfilling the guard spots and depth with cheap and capable guys (Lane Taylor, Evan Dietrich-Smith, TJ Lang, Josh Sitton, Don Barclay, etc.), which is why I never understood the thought process of spending big money in free agency on a guy who was an aggressively mediocre starter.

I remember when they signed Banks, I turned the tape on and it was so underwhelming I was confused. Like he's not horrible but he's not worth that money at all. I'm sure Belton could have done the same job with the fraction of the cost and with the upside of getting better.

I don't doubt that you watched clips of him and I agree he's been underwhelming. I'm just curious what the Packers scouting department and Gute saw differently.

Well I understood the philosophy behind the signing, it's clear that after last year Matt was tired of his line getting pushed around in the run game and in pass pro. Watching Philly dominate in the trenches in our playoff game plus on their way to the super bowl surely made an impression on Matt. That's why they got rid of Myers who just wasn't powerful at all, signed Banks who's a monster at 6'5 325 with huge hands and drafted Anthony Belton a big mean athletic OL at 6'6 330. Banks played in the Shanahan scheme for years and played in big games throughout his career so you would think the transition would be seamless.

Also On tape Banks was good in combo blocks something Matt wanted to make a feature in the offense. However when you watch the tape you see a big guy who has poor balance, doesn't have power in his hands and can be slow to react sometimes. It's disappointing for such a big dude you would think he'd be more powerful but he's not. It comes and goes because of poor technique and balance. I don't think he's horrible, he will help the team but he's not worth that contract that's for sure.

[BUCKnation]

Didn't Banks at least grade out as a very good run blocker last year? He hasn't shown that with us and our run game is the worst we've seen in some time under MLF

[MVP2110]

Going off of PFF grades, Banks first 2 games were brutal

V DET, 44
@ CLE, 40.9

But then he's steadily improved each week and has graded above average the last two games

V CIN 55.6
@ ARI 65.5
@PIT 69.9

So I think there is atleast some hope that he was trying to play through injury early on and now that he's a bit healthier he's settling in

[MickeyDavis]

Trade deadline talk

Adding, subtracting or sitting it out? Standing pat wouldn't surprise me. The Packers rarely trade players at the deadline, and they already made their splash move with the Micah Parsons trade. But they will have chances to trade for future assets. Green Bay has coveted receiver depth, and pass rusher Kingsley Enagbare is the odd man out at his position. -- Fowler

Key position of need: Defensive tackle. This is a position that needs better depth, especially if Devonte Wyatt were to go down because of an injury again. He sat out two games because of a knee injury before returning Sunday. -- Schatz

Who could be on the move? Guard Sean Rhyan. The Packers are more likely to add players, possibly at cornerback. Rhyan, a third-round pick in 2022, is in the final year of his rookie contract. He lost his starting spot to 2024 first-round pick Jordan Morgan (although they alternated series in the most recent game) and seems to know his time in Green Bay is running short. "If you just look at what we got on the line, I probably won't be back here," Rhyan said recently. If a team is looking for receiver help, perhaps the Packers would consider moving Romeo Doubs, who is in the final year of his contract, but he has been a big part of their offense. If not Doubs, then maybe Dontayvion Wicks. -- Rob Demovsky

Who could be targeted? Titans defensive tackle Sebastian Joseph-Day. The Packers are thin on the defensive interior after the departure of Kenny Clark in the Parsons trade, and Wyatt's injury has served as a stark reminder of that vulnerability. Joseph-Day is a stout run defender on a one-year deal -- perfect for patching one of the few remaining holes on a Super Bowl contender. -- Solak

[BUCKnation]

Prices are always so low for NFL trades, especially during the deadline. You can get some good players for 5th or 6th rounders.

[Ron Swanson]

I'd be nervous to part with any more draft capital at this point. If you can snag some legit corner depth for a 6th or 7th rounder, then sure, go for it. Other than that, I don't wanna see this team go full LA Rams and just toss draft picks at replacement level veterans.

[Matches Malone]

Lovely.

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[RRyder823]

Prices are always so low for NFL trades, especially during the deadline. You can get some good players for 5th or 6th rounders.

We're allready down some picks in the upcomming years. I have little desire to trade away more

Enagbare is the guy to trade whether its for a pick or (hopefully) a CB or DT

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[JCP11]

Lovely.

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How come a hamstring injury can take so long? There must be more to this injury that they are telling. I was such a fan of his in the draft process, this is really sad.