Pablo Torre: Ty Lue Linked to Chauncey Billups’ Gambling Scandal

[ATLTimekeeper]

Did Lue win, or was he one of the marks who didn't realize the game was rigged?

They reported that Lue is best friends with Billups and Jones, and also that he's a poker fiend himself.

[Bad Bart]

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Clippers front office is just full of scammers and crooks aren’t they?

i'll wait for when the fbi ties up all the loose ends in the investigation cuz right now there's just scattered road kill

who cares who was where and when. windhorst's latest interview is with a lawyer who was with manhattan southern district, and basically she explains all the happenings and what may or may not result.

it sounded like a lot of mulch and heresay for right now. i don't find it interesting when i listen to torre's latest because with what the lawyer said on the hoop collective as a backdrop, torres is sounding a bit like tmz. there are many players who know players who know players

yes lue shook hands ,,,,so what

he prolly woke up this morning with a text from a friend saying "hey guess what, torres mentions you shaking hands with,,,,,,,". and so now some news reporter is going to ask lue about the handshake.

Thanks for a sensible comment, I'm going to have find that interview with the Manhattan Southern District attorney. And to your other point, the NBA is a very small fraternity with overlapping agents that put players in constant contact with each other.

[Clemenza]

I knew this was going to happen. Lue is a well known poker fiend and Chauncey is his best friend. *sigh*

[ATLTimekeeper]

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Clippers front office is just full of scammers and crooks aren’t they?

i'll wait for when the fbi ties up all the loose ends in the investigation cuz right now there's just scattered road kill

who cares who was where and when. windhorst's latest interview is with a lawyer who was with manhattan southern district, and basically she explains all the happenings and what may or may not result.

it sounded like a lot of mulch and heresay for right now. i don't find it interesting when i listen to torre's latest because with what the lawyer said on the hoop collective as a backdrop, torres is sounding a bit like tmz. there are many players who know players who know players

yes lue shook hands ,,,,so what

he prolly woke up this morning with a text from a friend saying "hey guess what, torres mentions you shaking hands with,,,,,,,". and so now some news reporter is going to ask lue about the handshake.

Thanks for a sensible comment, I'm going to have find that interview with the Manhattan Southern District attorney. And to your other point, the NBA is a very small fraternity with overlapping agents that put players in constant contact with each other.

No, these guys are best friends.

So, imagine your two best friends in the world doing an activity that all three of you love. Now imagine your two best friends are actually in the knowledge that that activity is rigged in order to steal money for the mafia.

[Pattycakes]

I’m not a legal expert but if I’m Chauncey my entire foundation of a defense is exposing everything I know regarding other people’s gambling crimes. And games being rigged. If they really try to pin you, take the whole damn ship out. I wouldn’t even blame him.

[Larry Ellison]

I’m not a legal expert but if I’m Chauncey my entire foundation of a defense is exposing everything I know regarding other people’s gambling crimes. And games being rigged. If they really try to pin you, take the whole damn ship out. I wouldn’t even blame him.

That would require him to admit incriminating facts. Even if the U.S. Attorney agrees to cut a deal in return for his testimony, Chauncey's admissions would lead to NBA discipline and probably a lifetime ban. It is by no means clear that prosecutors need to cut a deal with Chauncey. This scheme involved many participants and victims. My guess is they have enough evidence already to put away the primary wrongdoers so what do they need Chauncey's cooperation for? Chauncey hired Marc Mukasey to defend him. Former federal prosecutor who also defended Sam Bankman-Fried. His father, Michael Mukasey, is a former U.S. Attorney General. I think they are strapping in for a fight.

[GeorgeSears]

Pablo's on a mission to destroy the Clippers.

[infinite11285]

I’m not a legal expert but if I’m Chauncey my entire foundation of a defense is exposing everything I know regarding other people’s gambling crimes. And games being rigged. If they really try to pin you, take the whole damn ship out. I wouldn’t even blame him.

That’s called a plea deal, not a defense. He’d still face prison time—just 30 years instead of 50.

And staying off the mafia’s radar in there would be another challenge altogether.

[Lalouie]

i'll wait for when the fbi ties up all the loose ends in the investigation cuz right now there's just scattered road kill

who cares who was where and when. windhorst's latest interview is with a lawyer who was with manhattan southern district, and basically she explains all the happenings and what may or may not result.

it sounded like a lot of mulch and heresay for right now. i don't find it interesting when i listen to torre's latest because with what the lawyer said on the hoop collective as a backdrop, torres is sounding a bit like tmz. there are many players who know players who know players

yes lue shook hands ,,,,so what

he prolly woke up this morning with a text from a friend saying "hey guess what, torres mentions you shaking hands with,,,,,,,". and so now some news reporter is going to ask lue about the handshake.

Thanks for a sensible comment, I'm going to have find that interview with the Manhattan Southern District attorney. And to your other point, the NBA is a very small fraternity with overlapping agents that put players in constant contact with each other.

No, these guys are best friends.

So, imagine your two best friends in the world doing an activity that all three of you love. Now imagine your two best friends are actually in the knowledge that that activity is rigged in order to steal money for the mafia.

so where are you going with this. you said it,,,"your two best friends"
frankly. i don't know what i'd do - maybe distance myself from them so i don't wake up one morning with a bullet in my head? i dunno know. have them seek counseling? go tell the fbi on your "best friends"?

i dunno man....what would you do as an outsider looking in with 20/20

[madmaxmedia]

I give Pablo credit for his investigative work. But I do not enjoy his style of podcast. He conceals info and then reveals it only slowly. He has admitted in interviews this is a deliberate choice because he wants his guests to be surprised by the reveal. I wish he would get to the point faster. It often seems that he has made his mind up already but it annoys me to listen to him speaking in a conclusory way and being coy about not showing the supporting evidence. Maybe I am just impatient.

If this is how he makes his money (and I have no reason to believe it isn't), then drip feeding information makes sense.

Yes, agreed. Just not my cup of tea. I could read all the underlying documents faster than listening to Pablo drip feed me. I like him as a journalist. But not a consumer of his podcast. Others may enjoy the slow delivery and that is totally fine. It's entertainment.

I tend to not watch his entire podcasts, probably for the reasons you stated. I do like though that he drip feeds information over time, just enough to let the involve parties hang themselves LOL.

[madmaxmedia]

Perhaps all the money won in those rigged poker games was funneled directly to kawhi as a way to circumvent the cap.

The real treasure was the friends we cheated along the way (in order to pay Kawhi.)

[TheGeneral99]

Did Lue win, or was he one of the marks who didn't realize the game was rigged?

A very good question that illuminates the limits of what Pablo has so far asserted, which is that Lue was good friends with Damon and Chauncey. Ok, nothing illegal about that. Pablo is implying wrongdoing without even being specific about whether Lue was perp or victim. Where there is smoke, there is fire, is what Pablo wants us to believe. He is drip feeding us again. I really hate how he does this because he wants listeners to buy in to his conclusions before he proves them. Guilt by insinuation. Stay tuned! I will skip the podcasts and wait for real evidence to be disclosed.

I do think we could be looking at a tip of the iceberg situation with this NBA gambling scandal. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. But Pablo is messing with people's reputations for clicks. He better not be wrong. In the old days of print journalism, newspaper editors would vet sources before investigative articles were ever printed.

To be fair, I listened to the podcast and Pablo made it clear that there was no evidence implicating Ty Lue. He was merely pointing out the Ty Lue was best friends with Chauncy and loved to gamble. They were merely interested as to whether Ty Lue may have also been involved, but they never claimed that he was.

[Larry Ellison]

Did Lue win, or was he one of the marks who didn't realize the game was rigged?

A very good question that illuminates the limits of what Pablo has so far asserted, which is that Lue was good friends with Damon and Chauncey. Ok, nothing illegal about that. Pablo is implying wrongdoing without even being specific about whether Lue was perp or victim. Where there is smoke, there is fire, is what Pablo wants us to believe. He is drip feeding us again. I really hate how he does this because he wants listeners to buy in to his conclusions before he proves them. Guilt by insinuation. Stay tuned! I will skip the podcasts and wait for real evidence to be disclosed.

I do think we could be looking at a tip of the iceberg situation with this NBA gambling scandal. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. But Pablo is messing with people's reputations for clicks. He better not be wrong. In the old days of print journalism, newspaper editors would vet sources before investigative articles were ever printed.

To be fair, I listened to the podcast and Pablo made it clear that there was no evidence implicating Ty Lue. He was merely pointing out the Ty Lue was best friends with Chauncy and loved to gamble. They were merely interested as to whether Ty Lue may have also been involved, but they never claimed that he was.

He is being careful in his words to avoid potential liability for defamation. Pablo went to Harvard. He is no dummy. That being said, if Pablo has no evidence of wrongdoing by Lue, then why is Lue's friendship with Chauncey and Damon newsworthy? Either Pablo is drip feeding info and holding back additional evidence, or he has no additional evidence about Lue and is making a purposeful decision to stir up speculation about Lue for clicks. I guess we will find out which it is soon enough.

[TheGeneral99]

A very good question that illuminates the limits of what Pablo has so far asserted, which is that Lue was good friends with Damon and Chauncey. Ok, nothing illegal about that. Pablo is implying wrongdoing without even being specific about whether Lue was perp or victim. Where there is smoke, there is fire, is what Pablo wants us to believe. He is drip feeding us again. I really hate how he does this because he wants listeners to buy in to his conclusions before he proves them. Guilt by insinuation. Stay tuned! I will skip the podcasts and wait for real evidence to be disclosed.

I do think we could be looking at a tip of the iceberg situation with this NBA gambling scandal. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. But Pablo is messing with people's reputations for clicks. He better not be wrong. In the old days of print journalism, newspaper editors would vet sources before investigative articles were ever printed.

To be fair, I listened to the podcast and Pablo made it clear that there was no evidence implicating Ty Lue. He was merely pointing out the Ty Lue was best friends with Chauncy and loved to gamble. They were merely interested as to whether Ty Lue may have also been involved, but they never claimed that he was.

He is being careful in his words to avoid potential liability for defamation. Pablo went to Harvard. He is no dummy. That being said, if Pablo has no evidence of wrongdoing by Lue, then why is Lue's friendship with Chauncey and Damon newsworthy? Either Pablo is drip feeding info and holding back additional evidence, or he has no additional evidence about Lue and is making a purposeful decision to stir up speculation about Lue for clicks. I guess we will find out which it is soon enough.

Because they already were reporting on multiple NBA players being heavily involved in gambling with very extremely shady criminals, including both Ty Lue and Billups 3 months ago, prior to Billups being formally indicted. He noted that guys like Lue may have been victims in this scheme and promoted as whales to attract rich people to play. He also noted that Garnett was involved in these games but there was no evidence against him either, and he may have been someone credible that was used to get more rich and wealthy people to join.

[Larry Ellison]

To be fair, I listened to the podcast and Pablo made it clear that there was no evidence implicating Ty Lue. He was merely pointing out the Ty Lue was best friends with Chauncy and loved to gamble. They were merely interested as to whether Ty Lue may have also been involved, but they never claimed that he was.

He is being careful in his words to avoid potential liability for defamation. Pablo went to Harvard. He is no dummy. That being said, if Pablo has no evidence of wrongdoing by Lue, then why is Lue's friendship with Chauncey and Damon newsworthy? Either Pablo is drip feeding info and holding back additional evidence, or he has no additional evidence about Lue and is making a purposeful decision to stir up speculation about Lue for clicks. I guess we will find out which it is soon enough.

Because they already were reporting on multiple NBA players being heavily involved in gambling with very extremely shady criminals, including both Ty Lue and Billups 3 months ago, prior to Billups being formally indicted. He noted that guys like Lue may have been victims in this scheme and promoted as whales to attract rich people to play. He also noted that Garnett was involved in these games but there was no evidence against him either, and he may have been someone credible that was used to get more rich and wealthy people to join.

So Lue was a victim and his best friend Chauncey was a perp? That seems improbable.

[Lalouie]

Pablo's on a mission to destroy the Clippers.

it feels like it, like he's chasing mobi's dick

i think these guys hunt for the big story that defines a career.

[TheGeneral99]

He is being careful in his words to avoid potential liability for defamation. Pablo went to Harvard. He is no dummy. That being said, if Pablo has no evidence of wrongdoing by Lue, then why is Lue's friendship with Chauncey and Damon newsworthy? Either Pablo is drip feeding info and holding back additional evidence, or he has no additional evidence about Lue and is making a purposeful decision to stir up speculation about Lue for clicks. I guess we will find out which it is soon enough.

Because they already were reporting on multiple NBA players being heavily involved in gambling with very extremely shady criminals, including both Ty Lue and Billups 3 months ago, prior to Billups being formally indicted. He noted that guys like Lue may have been victims in this scheme and promoted as whales to attract rich people to play. He also noted that Garnett was involved in these games but there was no evidence against him either, and he may have been someone credible that was used to get more rich and wealthy people to join.

So Lue was a victim and his best friend Chauncey was a perp? That seems improbable.

He never said that...he said it's possible as there is no evidence to implicate them thus far. I don't see anything wrong with him noting that guys like Lue and Garnett were heavily involved in these gambling circles and very close with Chauncey.

[Larry Ellison]

Because they already were reporting on multiple NBA players being heavily involved in gambling with very extremely shady criminals, including both Ty Lue and Billups 3 months ago, prior to Billups being formally indicted. He noted that guys like Lue may have been victims in this scheme and promoted as whales to attract rich people to play. He also noted that Garnett was involved in these games but there was no evidence against him either, and he may have been someone credible that was used to get more rich and wealthy people to join.

So Lue was a victim and his best friend Chauncey was a perp? That seems improbable.

He never said that...he said it's possible as there is no evidence to implicate them thus far. I don't see anything wrong with him noting that guys like Lue and Garnett were heavily involved in these gambling circles and very close with Chauncey.

It's the world we live in. Info overload online that is hard to sift through and validate. Where to draw the line between what is newsworthy and what is attention seeking gossip with no underlying evidence? If you were Lue, and had never done anything wrong, you might feel differently. Playing in a private poker game in Vegas is not against the law. The only potential legal violation is if the game host takes a rake.

[Ssj16]

He is being careful in his words to avoid potential liability for defamation. Pablo went to Harvard. He is no dummy. That being said, if Pablo has no evidence of wrongdoing by Lue, then why is Lue's friendship with Chauncey and Damon newsworthy? Either Pablo is drip feeding info and holding back additional evidence, or he has no additional evidence about Lue and is making a purposeful decision to stir up speculation about Lue for clicks. I guess we will find out which it is soon enough.

Because they already were reporting on multiple NBA players being heavily involved in gambling with very extremely shady criminals, including both Ty Lue and Billups 3 months ago, prior to Billups being formally indicted. He noted that guys like Lue may have been victims in this scheme and promoted as whales to attract rich people to play. He also noted that Garnett was involved in these games but there was no evidence against him either, and he may have been someone credible that was used to get more rich and wealthy people to join.

So Lue was a victim and his best friend Chauncey was a perp? That seems improbable.

There are people who kill or scam their own parents or children. This would not surprise me in the least if Chauncey set Ty Lue up.

[Memories]

Because they already were reporting on multiple NBA players being heavily involved in gambling with very extremely shady criminals, including both Ty Lue and Billups 3 months ago, prior to Billups being formally indicted. He noted that guys like Lue may have been victims in this scheme and promoted as whales to attract rich people to play. He also noted that Garnett was involved in these games but there was no evidence against him either, and he may have been someone credible that was used to get more rich and wealthy people to join.

So Lue was a victim and his best friend Chauncey was a perp? That seems improbable.

There are people who kill or scam their own parents or children. This would not surprise me in the least if Chauncey set Ty Lue up.

I agree. I saw this video recently, and while it doesn’t TRULY surprise me, it still baffles at how LOW parents can go to scam their own children.

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I am disgusted parents like that exist.