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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#181 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:22 pm

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El Turco wrote:It'd be Parsons + 2nd + 3rd round picks, and still wouldnt make any improvements to your defense.

The run defense should be greatly improved. Dallas basically traded the ability to rush the passer for the ability to stop the run. The ultimate goal is not necessarily to save money but to use that money more wisely.

We will see if it was the right thing to do. What we do know is the ability to rush the passer did not result in playoff wins. It wouldn’t have been smart to spend even more money on a guy that was not making a huge difference for the Cowboys.


You really think stopping the run is more important than pressuring the quarterback in nfl year 2025? I dont think many would agree with that.

By the way Parsons might be overpaid but still he is the odds on favorite to win the DPOY, quietly having a great year.

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Micah Parsons Green Bay Packers <<+190>>

Myles Garrett Cleveland Browns <<+300>>

Aidan Hutchinson Detroit Lions <<+450>>

Nik Bonitto Denver Broncos <<+850>>

Will Anderson Jr. Houston Texans <<+1000>>

Yes

Green Bay has just 2 more sacks than Dallas, meanwhile we are dead last in giving up rushing yards.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#182 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:25 pm

Actually Dallas is 4th to last in rushing yards given up per game. I guess they increased from 32nd overall over the last couple games.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#183 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:26 pm

Essentially...

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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#184 » by Mr B » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:26 pm

El Turco wrote:
Mr B wrote:
El Turco wrote:It'd be Parsons + 2nd + 3rd round picks, and still wouldnt make any improvements to your defense.

The run defense should be greatly improved. Dallas basically traded the ability to rush the passer for the ability to stop the run. The ultimate goal is not necessarily to save money but to use that money more wisely.

We will see if it was the right thing to do. What we do know is the ability to rush the passer did not result in playoff wins. It wouldn’t have been smart to spend even more money on a guy that was not making a huge difference for the Cowboys.


You really think stopping the run is more important than pressuring the quarterback in nfl year 2025? I dont think many would agree with that.

By the way Parsons might be overpaid but still he is the odds on favorite to win the DPOY, quietly having a great year.

25-26 NFL Defensive Player of the Year odds

Micah Parsons Green Bay Packers <<+190>>

Myles Garrett Cleveland Browns <<+300>>

Aidan Hutchinson Detroit Lions <<+450>>

Nik Bonitto Denver Broncos <<+850>>

Will Anderson Jr. Houston Texans <<+1000>>

All I can go by is what I see with my own eyes. The Cowboys have been horrible at stopping the run the last 10 years (pretty much since Jay Ratliff was let go). As great as Parsons is at rushing the passer the Cowboys were dead last in defense the last 2 years. During that same time teams have been running the ball down the Cowboys throats. Go back and rewatch that Cowboys vs Broncos game from last week.

I for one am ready to try something else. I’m all for being great at stopping the run and trying to find other ways or other players to rush the passer. I’d be perfectly fine if the Cowboys could be top 5 against the run and dropping to top 10 in sacks (they were #1 in sacks).
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#185 » by Mr B » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:28 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Essentially...

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They still have Green Bay’s 1st for the 2026 draft (plus their own).
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#186 » by El Turco » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:29 pm

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El Turco wrote:
Mr B wrote:The run defense should be greatly improved. Dallas basically traded the ability to rush the passer for the ability to stop the run. The ultimate goal is not necessarily to save money but to use that money more wisely.

We will see if it was the right thing to do. What we do know is the ability to rush the passer did not result in playoff wins. It wouldn’t have been smart to spend even more money on a guy that was not making a huge difference for the Cowboys.


You really think stopping the run is more important than pressuring the quarterback in nfl year 2025? I dont think many would agree with that.

By the way Parsons might be overpaid but still he is the odds on favorite to win the DPOY, quietly having a great year.

25-26 NFL Defensive Player of the Year odds

Micah Parsons Green Bay Packers <<+190>>

Myles Garrett Cleveland Browns <<+300>>

Aidan Hutchinson Detroit Lions <<+450>>

Nik Bonitto Denver Broncos <<+850>>

Will Anderson Jr. Houston Texans <<+1000>>

Yes

Green Bay has just 2 more sacks than Dallas, meanwhile we are dead last in giving up rushing yards.


You are 29th in giving up rushing yards and 30th in giving up passing yards. You give up 110 more yards passing than rushing.

I dont know what teams sacks anything to do with Parsons individual performance, but Parsons is top 3 in both qb hurries and pressures despite getting double or even triple teamed every possession. Maybe Packers pass rush would be much worse without him?
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#187 » by Mr B » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:30 pm

El Turco wrote:
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El Turco wrote:
You really think stopping the run is more important than pressuring the quarterback in nfl year 2025? I dont think many would agree with that.

By the way Parsons might be overpaid but still he is the odds on favorite to win the DPOY, quietly having a great year.


Yes

Green Bay has just 2 more sacks than Dallas, meanwhile we are dead last in giving up rushing yards.


You are 29th in giving up rushing yards and 30th in giving up passing yards. You give up 110 more yards passing than rushing.

I dont know what teams sacks anything to do with Parsons individual performance, but Parsons is top 3 in both qb hurries and pressures despite getting double or even triple teamed every possession. Maybe Packers pass rush would be much worse without him?

Again, Parsons was already on this team and the Cowboys finish 1st in sacks. Guess where they finished in overall defense.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#188 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:32 pm

Mr B wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Essentially...

Read on Twitter

They still have Green Bay’s 1st for the 2026 draft (plus their own).

Basically, they swapped a 2nd (their own) for a 1st (GB) next year.

2026: They own two- 1st round picks & no 2nd rounder.

Make sense? :wink:
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#189 » by El Turco » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:34 pm

Mr B wrote:
El Turco wrote:
Mr B wrote:The run defense should be greatly improved. Dallas basically traded the ability to rush the passer for the ability to stop the run. The ultimate goal is not necessarily to save money but to use that money more wisely.

We will see if it was the right thing to do. What we do know is the ability to rush the passer did not result in playoff wins. It wouldn’t have been smart to spend even more money on a guy that was not making a huge difference for the Cowboys.


You really think stopping the run is more important than pressuring the quarterback in nfl year 2025? I dont think many would agree with that.

By the way Parsons might be overpaid but still he is the odds on favorite to win the DPOY, quietly having a great year.

25-26 NFL Defensive Player of the Year odds

Micah Parsons Green Bay Packers <<+190>>

Myles Garrett Cleveland Browns <<+300>>

Aidan Hutchinson Detroit Lions <<+450>>

Nik Bonitto Denver Broncos <<+850>>

Will Anderson Jr. Houston Texans <<+1000>>

All I can go by is what I see with my own eyes. The Cowboys have been horrible at stopping the run the last 10 years (pretty much since Jay Ratliff was let go). As great as Parsons is at rushing the passer the Cowboys were dead last in defense the last 2 years. During that same time teams have been running the ball down the Cowboys throats. Go back and rewatch that Cowboys vs Broncos game from last week.

I for one am ready to try something else. I’m all for being great at stopping the run and trying to find other ways or other players to rush the passer. I’d be perfectly fine if the Cowboys could be top 5 against the run and dropping to top 10 in sacks (they were #1 in sacks).


I’m not saying Dallas is great at anything related to defense or that they shouldn’t fix their run defense. Considering their pass defense is just as bad — if not worse — I just think that in the new era of the NFL every team would prioritize fixing the pass defense first.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#190 » by El Turco » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:36 pm

Mr B wrote:
El Turco wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:Yes

Green Bay has just 2 more sacks than Dallas, meanwhile we are dead last in giving up rushing yards.


You are 29th in giving up rushing yards and 30th in giving up passing yards. You give up 110 more yards passing than rushing.

I dont know what teams sacks anything to do with Parsons individual performance, but Parsons is top 3 in both qb hurries and pressures despite getting double or even triple teamed every possession. Maybe Packers pass rush would be much worse without him?

Again, Parsons was already on this team and the Cowboys finish 1st in sacks. Guess where they finished in overall defense.


Perhaps former DPOY candidate Bland was at fault? I dont see how Parsons or their pass rush was the one responsible for Dallas finishing where they did.

Just because you have a good pass rush doesnt mean you should put anxious traffic cones in your secondary.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#191 » by Mr B » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:37 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Essentially...

Read on Twitter

They still have Green Bay’s 1st for the 2026 draft (plus their own).

Basically, they swapped a 2nd (their own) for a 1st (GB) next year.

2026: They own two- 1st round picks & no 2nd rounder.

Make sense? :wink:

I see what you’re saying but they do still have 2 FRP’s in 2026. They could easily use a 1st to trade down and get that 2nd back. So to say they have no more assets from the Micah trade is not exactly accurate.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#192 » by Mr B » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:41 pm

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You are 29th in giving up rushing yards and 30th in giving up passing yards. You give up 110 more yards passing than rushing.

I dont know what teams sacks anything to do with Parsons individual performance, but Parsons is top 3 in both qb hurries and pressures despite getting double or even triple teamed every possession. Maybe Packers pass rush would be much worse without him?

Again, Parsons was already on this team and the Cowboys finish 1st in sacks. Guess where they finished in overall defense.


Perhaps former DPOY candidate Bland was at fault? I dont see how Parsons or their pass rush was the one responsible for Dallas finishing where they did.

Just because you have a good pass rush doesnt mean you should put anxious traffic cones in your secondary.

Because as great as Parsons is as rushing the passer he’s equally as bad at stopping the run. Again Parsons is great at getting to the QB but he has zero interest in setting the edge or keeping containment. He is ALL about getting to the QB even if that leaves his defense teammates in bad positions.

Again, you can throw out stats, I’m just going by what I see with my own two eyes.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#193 » by El Turco » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:42 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Essentially...

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I forgot to factor in Clark's salary in the deal, he is making around 20m next year.

So Cowboys dont even get Pickens, he is extra. It is Williams+Clark+1st for Parsons+2nd. The guy is right, all that is for moving up few spots, there are no cap savings.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#194 » by El Turco » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:44 pm

Mr B wrote:
El Turco wrote:
Mr B wrote:Again, Parsons was already on this team and the Cowboys finish 1st in sacks. Guess where they finished in overall defense.


Perhaps former DPOY candidate Bland was at fault? I dont see how Parsons or their pass rush was the one responsible for Dallas finishing where they did.

Just because you have a good pass rush doesnt mean you should put anxious traffic cones in your secondary.

Because as great as Parsons is as rushing the passer he’s equally as bad at stopping the run. Again Parsons is great at getting to the QB but he has zero interest in setting the edge or keeping containment. He is ALL about getting to the QB even if that leaves his defense teammates in bad positions.

Again, you can throw out stats, I’m just going by what I see with my own two eyes.


I mean Packers are one of the best in stopping the run, so I guess it is not impossible to build a good run stopping team with him.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#195 » by Mr B » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:50 pm

El Turco wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Essentially...

Read on Twitter


I forgot to factor in Clark's salary in the deal, he is making around 20m next year.

So Cowboys dont even get Pickens, he is extra. It is Williams+Clark+1st for Parsons+2nd. The guy is right, all that is for moving up few spots, there are no cap savings.

Having cap space is not the goal though. The goal is to have a good defense.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#196 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:53 pm

Mr B wrote:
El Turco wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:Yes

Green Bay has just 2 more sacks than Dallas, meanwhile we are dead last in giving up rushing yards.


You are 29th in giving up rushing yards and 30th in giving up passing yards. You give up 110 more yards passing than rushing.

I dont know what teams sacks anything to do with Parsons individual performance, but Parsons is top 3 in both qb hurries and pressures despite getting double or even triple teamed every possession. Maybe Packers pass rush would be much worse without him?

Again, Parsons was already on this team and the Cowboys finish 1st in sacks. Guess where they finished in overall defense.



Yep this is all El Turco really needs to know

We had Parsons last season, and we had the worst defense in the league. This isn't a theory, it literally wasn't working.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#197 » by El Turco » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:53 pm

Mr B wrote:
El Turco wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Essentially...

Read on Twitter


I forgot to factor in Clark's salary in the deal, he is making around 20m next year.

So Cowboys dont even get Pickens, he is extra. It is Williams+Clark+1st for Parsons+2nd. The guy is right, all that is for moving up few spots, there are no cap savings.

Having cap space is not the goal though. The goal is to have a good defense.


Well, I assume you’re not paying good defensive players with good vibes. They very much depend on each other.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#198 » by El Turco » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:54 pm

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You are 29th in giving up rushing yards and 30th in giving up passing yards. You give up 110 more yards passing than rushing.

I dont know what teams sacks anything to do with Parsons individual performance, but Parsons is top 3 in both qb hurries and pressures despite getting double or even triple teamed every possession. Maybe Packers pass rush would be much worse without him?

Again, Parsons was already on this team and the Cowboys finish 1st in sacks. Guess where they finished in overall defense.



Yep this is all El Turco really needs to know

We had Parsons last season, and we had the worst defense in the league. This isn't a theory, it literally wasn't working.


You dont have him this year and you still have the worst defense. Sounds like he wasnt the problem.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#199 » by Mr B » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:55 pm

El Turco wrote:
Mr B wrote:
El Turco wrote:
Perhaps former DPOY candidate Bland was at fault? I dont see how Parsons or their pass rush was the one responsible for Dallas finishing where they did.

Just because you have a good pass rush doesnt mean you should put anxious traffic cones in your secondary.

Because as great as Parsons is as rushing the passer he’s equally as bad at stopping the run. Again Parsons is great at getting to the QB but he has zero interest in setting the edge or keeping containment. He is ALL about getting to the QB even if that leaves his defense teammates in bad positions.

Again, you can throw out stats, I’m just going by what I see with my own two eyes.


I mean Packers are one of the best in stopping the run, so I guess it is not impossible to build a good run stopping team with him.

Now you get it. That’s why for the Packers getting Parsons was a great idea. They already had a good defense and were good at stopping the run. They only lacked an elite pass rush. Parsons gravity on the field is why Gary is 5th in sacks.

Parsons was a luxury in Dallas. Their run defense was atrocious. They need to be able to stop the run before they can figure out how to rush the passer. Now that they are able to stop the run, they can now focus on getting a better pass rush. Whoever they get doesn’t have to be the best in the league. With their ability to stop the run now they just need someone who’s above average at getting to the QB. Obviously we all would love for the Cowboys to find another Micah Parsons but that’s not a necessity.
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Re: NFL Trade Deadline: Nov. 4 

Post#200 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Nov 4, 2025 10:59 pm

El Turco wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:
Mr B wrote:Again, Parsons was already on this team and the Cowboys finish 1st in sacks. Guess where they finished in overall defense.



Yep this is all El Turco really needs to know

We had Parsons last season, and we had the worst defense in the league. This isn't a theory, it literally wasn't working.


You dont have him this year and you still have the worst defense. Sounds like he wasnt the problem.

Strawman stuff, we are saying he wasn't the ANSWER

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