Trade Talk (Part 18): Early Season Panic Edition

[BlacJacMac]

For all of you calling Ja a loser and dragging his team down, here is the Grizzlies win/lose record with/without him over the last few years.
Other than 2021-2022 the Grizz had a much higher win percentage with him and in 21-22 they still had a .64 win% with him.

24-25
with 30-20
w/o 18-14

23-24
with 6-3
w/o 21-52

22-23
with 40-21
w/o 11-10

21-22
with 36-21
w/o 20-5

That's A LOT of missed games...

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Just watch a bit of Atlanta-Orlando. Am I the only one thinking that it would have been a better choice to keep NAW instead of Naz? Naz play no defense and we have Randle at the same position and who enjoy playing here. Maybe one of few TC mistake?

[Neeva]

Just watch a bit of Atlanta-Orlando. Am I the only one thinking that it would have been a better choice to keep NAW instead of Naz? Naz play no defense and we have Randle at the same position and who enjoy playing here. Maybe one of few TC mistake?

NAW’s shooting completely disappears in the playoffs while Naz has a few big games offensively and he is a better trade chip with their new contracts. Plus wolves needed more minutes to open up for Clark and TJ( even though TJ has really sucked to start the season)

[Neeva]

Wolves probably should have traded for Giddey when he was cheap oh well.

[Neeva]

It’s crazy Orlando has over 70 million tied up this season and next on their mid backcourt of Suggs and Bane..

[Klomp]

Wolves probably should have traded for Giddey when he was cheap oh well.

Mark Daigneault should be fired for the criminal mismanagement of such a talented point guard!

[TimberKat]

Just watch a bit of Atlanta-Orlando. Am I the only one thinking that it would have been a better choice to keep NAW instead of Naz? Naz play no defense and we have Randle at the same position and who enjoy playing here. Maybe one of few TC mistake?

NAW’s shooting completely disappears in the playoffs while Naz has a few big games offensively and he is a better trade chip with their new contracts. Plus wolves needed more minutes to open up for Clark and TJ( even though TJ has really sucked to start the season)

I am fairly close in thinking we should had kept NAW and 'sign and trade' Naz. I would gave up Randle+Naz to kept Towns. It is much easier to build around a core of Gobert+Towns+JMcD+Ant. Still hoping Clark/TSJ will step up and make me forget NAW.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Just watch a bit of Atlanta-Orlando. Am I the only one thinking that it would have been a better choice to keep NAW instead of Naz? Naz play no defense and we have Randle at the same position and who enjoy playing here. Maybe one of few TC mistake?

NAW’s shooting completely disappears in the playoffs while Naz has a few big games offensively and he is a better trade chip with their new contracts. Plus wolves needed more minutes to open up for Clark and TJ( even though TJ has really sucked to start the season)

I am fairly close in thinking we should had kept NAW and 'sign and trade' Naz. I would gave up Randle+Naz to kept Towns. It is much easier to build around a core of Gobert+Towns+JMcD+Ant. Still hoping Clark/TSJ will step up and make me forget NAW.

A lot there. First of all, we aren't ever title chasing with KAT'S contract. NAW is nothing special. In his prime on a mediocre team. Getting minutes. Proven inconsistent under the BIG LIGHTS of the playoffs. He's too old to break out anymore than he already has.

Jaylen Clark will more than likely have a better overall career than naw.

[Neeva]

Wolves probably should have traded for Giddey when he was cheap oh well.

Mark Daigneault should be fired for the criminal mismanagement of such a talented point guard!

Lots of people here wanted the wolves ro get Giddey to take over PG after Conley. Some wanted Davion Mitchell or Payton Pritchard all three are starting now and doing pretty well. Mitchell less than the other two though.

[Klomp]

Wolves probably should have traded for Giddey when he was cheap oh well.

Mark Daigneault should be fired for the criminal mismanagement of such a talented point guard!

Lots of people here wanted the wolves ro get Giddey to take over PG after Conley. Some wanted Davion Mitchell or Payton Pritchard all three are starting now and doing pretty well. Mitchell less than the other two though.

No no, you're missing the point! Josh Giddey was benched as a developing prospect behind less talented players, his coach's ego driving down his value to a point where the GM had to sell low on him! The coach should be fired, the GM should be fired, and the franchise should be forced to fold....what a waste of such a shifty prospect!

[minimus]

#freeanthonyblack

[Danimals]

Should have traded DDV for value and kept NAW.

[Slim Tubby]

Wolves probably should have traded for Giddey when he was cheap oh well.

Mark Daigneault should be fired for the criminal mismanagement of such a talented point guard!

Lots of people here wanted the wolves ro get Giddey to take over PG after Conley. Some wanted Davion Mitchell or Payton Pritchard all three are starting now and doing pretty well. Mitchell less than the other two though.

I will openly admit that I was against pursuing Giddey. A majority of my concerns were tied to the off court allegations.

I was wrong. He's on pace to be an All Star this year and proving a lot of doubters like myself wrong.

C Gobert
PF Randle
SF McDaniels
SG Edwards
PG Giddey

That sure looks good on paper and we'd be set at PG for the next ten (10) years. Oh well.

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[shrink]

Just watch a bit of Atlanta-Orlando. Am I the only one thinking that it would have been a better choice to keep NAW instead of Naz? Naz play no defense and we have Randle at the same position and who enjoy playing here. Maybe one of few TC mistake?

Do you trust our youth? Yes, we drafted two project bigs, but our young players are three guards that could be playable for our win now team are Dillingham, Clark and TJ Shannon is a swingman, and we added DiVincenzo in trade. All need minutes.

Last year I thought NAW was every bit as good as Naz, but if we kept him, we didn’t really have a back up center or barely a third big (unless we are forced to do small and make Jaden a PF - dangerous in a league that is going big).

I’m not saying Naz is better than NAW, but for our team (and for casual ticketbuying MIN fans), he was more important to maintain.

[minimus]

Just watch a bit of Atlanta-Orlando. Am I the only one thinking that it would have been a better choice to keep NAW instead of Naz? Naz play no defense and we have Randle at the same position and who enjoy playing here. Maybe one of few TC mistake?

Do you trust our youth? Yes, we drafted two project bigs, but our young players are three guards that could be playable for our win now team are Dillingham, Clark and TJ Shannon is a swingman, and we added DiVincenzo in trade. All need minutes.

Last year I thought NAW was every bit as good as Naz, but if we kept him, we didn’t really have a back up center or barely a third big (unless we are forced to do small and make Jaden a PF - dangerous in a league that is going big).

I’m not saying Naz is better than NAW, but for our team (and for casual ticketbuying MIN fans), he was more important to maintain.

I do give NAW credit for giving 100% effort everytime he is on the floor. He is one of my all-time favourite MIN players too (cant say about Kevin Love). But Nickeil had many pretty mediocre games in MIN and some really bad ones.

[shrink]

Should have traded DDV for value and kept NAW.

I would not have minded that in principle. It is generally the right move for teams to re-sign their free agents on good deals, and make payroll space for them by trading away other players for value. You don’t want to lose a player for nothing in free agency, and that is particularly true for MIN, who can’t attract other good players in free agency.

Keeping DDV may still turn out to be the right idea though. First, he is on an under-market deal, and a new free agent gets market rates. DDV’s deal helps MIN pay other players, and have more talent on the roster. Second, DDV under-performed last season, so while we could certainly trade him for a positive return, we may have been selling him low. If Donte continues his recent surge, he could be worth much more. And in the meantime, we benefit from his play.

Still, I wouldn’t have hated keeping NAW, who was one of my favorite Wolves. And you’re right, trading DDV would be the way to do it, rather than letting Naz walk.

[minimus]

Notably, Clark posts an absurd -8.7 on/off defensive swing, and is holding opponents to 31.6 percent shooting. With all due respect to the amazing Jaden McDaniels, Clark has been the Wolves' best point-of-attack defender through seven games.

This is the real reason MIN let NAW go and kept DDV.

[winforlose]

Notably, Clark posts an absurd -8.7 on/off defensive swing, and is holding opponents to 31.6 percent shooting. With all due respect to the amazing Jaden McDaniels, Clark has been the Wolves' best point-of-attack defender through seven games.

This is the real reason MIN let NAW go and kept DDV.

I think anyone who has seen Jaden defend POA agrees with this. Jaden is often trailing the play and out of position. Granted a lot of that is fighting through screen/rescreens, but some is just foot speed. Jaden’s length and instincts help bridge the gap, but I agree Clark is clearly the better of the two at POA defense. Where Clark falls down is everything else. His offense is challenged, his rebounding is inconsistent, he gambles and takes himself out of position defensively, and he lacks a role in the offensive half court. His best feature is cutting/back cutting, but that only goes so far when Rudy is clogging the paint.

[gandlogo]

Gobert
Conely
Dillingham
Beringer

for

Morant
Edey

Seems to work in that ESPN trade thingy. I like deals focused around Orlando better, but something to kick around.

[minimus]

Gobert
Conely
Dillingham
Beringer

for

Morant
Edey

Seems to work in that ESPN trade thingy. I like deals focused around Orlando better, but something to kick around.

I would not touch Ja purely out of basketball reasons. IMO this is another Towns situation where MIN loses in both cases if Ja fails here and if Ja succeeds here.