Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Yallbecrazy]

Who gets the Giannis assignment tonight? Would love to see what CMB could do, as long as he manages to stay out of foul trouble.

I think CMB would be better as a help defender vs Giannis, he's so good at helping and reaching in without fouling that he can make Giannis pick up his dribble. I don't know who is best to cover him, maybe Agbaji with Scottie and CMB providing help defense.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Who gets the Giannis assignment tonight? Would love to see what CMB could do, as long as he manages to stay out of foul trouble.

I think CMB would be better as a help defender vs Giannis, he's so good at helping and reaching in without fouling that he can make Giannis pick up his dribble. I don't know who is best to cover him, maybe Agbaji with Scottie and CMB providing help defense.

I think Scottie on Giannis was humiliating for us. CMB unfortunately has to foul out in this one. Plus Scottie will do a lot better against the length of Turner.

[WiggOuts]

I dont get the idea of him being the C and not Barnes. To me, both are forwards, and do not see them together in the long run.

Because Barnes is more versatile and would be limited playing at C, where he is now allows him to do more while also allowing CMB to keep it simple and focus on the things hes good at

I dont see how Barnes is versatile, he is rather limited to me, which is why he is more a C, particularly the lack of perimeter skill.

What makes you think CMB is more versatile than Barnes? Scottie does everything well but not really anything great, it was on his scouting report. Mostly CMB is more of a big than a wing while Scottie is the opposite, its more about play style than size

[ForeverTFC]

well the raps traded a potential top-5 pick in next years draft for Bandon Ingram.

Masai's biggest problem was always his lack of patience when it came to keeping first round picks.

Pick was top 4 protected.

[Indeed]

Because Barnes is more versatile and would be limited playing at C, where he is now allows him to do more while also allowing CMB to keep it simple and focus on the things hes good at

I dont see how Barnes is versatile, he is rather limited to me, which is why he is more a C, particularly the lack of perimeter skill.

What makes you think CMB is more versatile than Barnes? Scottie does everything well but not really anything great, it was on his scouting report. Mostly CMB is more of a big than a wing while Scottie is the opposite, its more about play style than size

Please quote me on saying CMB is more versatile.
As for Barnes, how does he play well on the perimeter? He clearly doesn't, and none of the scouting report suggested that. It was all potential for Barnes.

As for Barnes being a wing (I don't have a position called wing, either you are a guard or forward or center), he does not have the perimeter skill, so I am unsure how you can claim that.

[HumbleRen]

I’ll never forget you starter CMB. It was fun while it lasted.

[TimeForChange]

time to trade him








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[dTox]

Who gets the Giannis assignment tonight? Would love to see what CMB could do, as long as he manages to stay out of foul trouble.

I think CMB would be better as a help defender vs Giannis, he's so good at helping and reaching in without fouling that he can make Giannis pick up his dribble. I don't know who is best to cover him, maybe Agbaji with Scottie and CMB providing help defense.

I think Scottie on Giannis was humiliating for us. CMB unfortunately has to foul out in this one. Plus Scottie will do a lot better against the length of Turner.

This game was very different, thankfully, Scottie defended Giannis very well

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[OhCanada]

CMB is fine. You know Toronto's smart... They are exposing CMB to all the premium players and problem matchups so he can get a read on their tendancies. Thats what experience is, thats what the vets like an Aaron Gordon or Draymond Green know. They already got a read on eachother and can predict eachothers next move. That information is not there for CMB when hes matched up against Giannis, its not there for Giannis either though and the only way to fix that is to expose him to it and give him those reps. So even if its only 10 minutes they now got film for him to improve on.

They always give their building block rookies as much oppurtunity to learn as possible. CMB has one of the toughest roles in the league right now let alone rookies and its pretty much what you would expect from a 3 time all defensive team level player or an OG Anunoby type specialist.

[Appostis]

It's a learning experience for the guy but it's always why people placing him as the starter center after a couple games was pure insanity.

The guy is going to be great but it's going to be a process before he's ready for full time starting.

[Thaddy]

It's a learning experience for the guy but it's always why people placing him as the starter center after a couple games was pure insanity.

The guy is going to be great but it's going to be a process before he's ready for full time starting.

I am hoping that Mogbo breaks through and we can put CMB in the GLeague for a bit. If he can develop his handle and learn how to use leverage like he did in college he'll be all star level very soon.

I'm loving the roster right now. BI, Barnes and RJ look like all stars. IQ and Poeltl are solid. Then we have Dick, CMB, Walter and Shead on our bench.

I have reasonable hope Battle and Mogbo can be good bench players too. We are loaded with offensive and defensive talent that's steadily developing.

[nestea]

It's a learning experience for the guy but it's always why people placing him as the starter center after a couple games was pure insanity.

The guy is going to be great but it's going to be a process before he's ready for full time starting.

I am hoping that Mogbo breaks through and we can put CMB in the GLeague for a bit. If he can develop his handle and learn how to use leverage like he did in college he'll be all star level very soon.

I'm loving the roster right now. BI, Barnes and RJ look like all stars. IQ and Poeltl are solid. Then we have Dick, CMB, Walter and Shead on our bench.

I have reasonable hope Battle and Mogbo can be good bench players too. We are loaded with offensive and defensive talent that's steadily developing.

Neither will happen imo. Mogbo break through and CMB in G league

[WiggOuts]

I dont see how Barnes is versatile, he is rather limited to me, which is why he is more a C, particularly the lack of perimeter skill.

What makes you think CMB is more versatile than Barnes? Scottie does everything well but not really anything great, it was on his scouting report. Mostly CMB is more of a big than a wing while Scottie is the opposite, its more about play style than size

Please quote me on saying CMB is more versatile.
As for Barnes, how does he play well on the perimeter? He clearly doesn't, and none of the scouting report suggested that. It was all potential for Barnes.

As for Barnes being a wing (I don't have a position called wing, either you are a guard or forward or center), he does not have the perimeter skill, so I am unsure how you can claim that.

The point being made is that the more versatile player should be playing on the wing, I know you didn't say it. Ofcourse with Scottie a lot of this is "potential" as you said but the guy is realizing that potential bit by bit and if you've been watching him, his perimeter game is coming a long pretty convincingly. Cs don't typically navigate the half court the way Barnes does. I understand his interior game has been more of the focus for his early career but there is a plan for Barnes and I guarantee it doesn't end as him being a C

[dTox]

What makes you think CMB is more versatile than Barnes? Scottie does everything well but not really anything great, it was on his scouting report. Mostly CMB is more of a big than a wing while Scottie is the opposite, its more about play style than size

Please quote me on saying CMB is more versatile.
As for Barnes, how does he play well on the perimeter? He clearly doesn't, and none of the scouting report suggested that. It was all potential for Barnes.

As for Barnes being a wing (I don't have a position called wing, either you are a guard or forward or center), he does not have the perimeter skill, so I am unsure how you can claim that.

The point being made is that the more versatile player should be playing on the wing, I know you didn't say it. Ofcourse with Scottie a lot of this is "potential" as you said but the guy is realizing that potential bit by bit and if you've been watching him, his perimeter game is coming a long pretty convincingly. Cs don't typically navigate the half court the way Barnes does. I understand his interior game has been more of the focus for his early career but there is a plan for Barnes and I guarantee it doesn't end as him being a C

Scottie's defense is elite now, other than guards, you can put him on SF/PF/C's, to me that's pretty versatile.

[Madvillainy2004]

I’ll never forget you starter CMB. It was fun while it lasted.

Rest now starter CMB we have the watch and ill see you in Valhalla

[PhilBlackson]

Now THIS lil piece of "Insider Info" has me SUPER intrigued about CMB's potential that I wish I knew going into the draft...

@ 27:37....quick intel on CMB at South Carolina.

Watch on YouTube

"The intel I got there for Colin was...the 3pt shot is just not something that they worked on in college..."

That's pretty wild to me, it's hard in some ways to knock their decision because clearly they must've helped him in every other facet of the game because he's incredibly versatile "aside from his shooting" BUT this MIGHT change everything for his ceiling as prospect. I'm kinda blown away with that news because I can't believe there's even a college program that isn't preaching shooting as the gospel lol considering that's all everyone talks about.

But between that news and every time I've listened to Will Lou's podcast this year (sometimes just play in the background as I work on my laptop), I've heard him say several times now that he notices that CMB actually knocks down a lot of his 3s in his practices and warmups (no disrespect to Scottie but I haven't heard him say the same about him) and obv he seems to making them at a decent clip. It's just barely even starting Year 1 of his development but like I said now I'm REALLY intrigued by CMB the way I wasn't pre-draft. I always acknowledged that I thought CMB was a really good player, I just criticized the FIT but if he can be even a DECENT threat (ie/ 36%+ from 3), that REALLY changes his ceiling for me (and fit on the team). I just didn't think it seemed possible because I was under the obv wrong assumption that I just assumed that he "must be" working on his 3 but apparently he's just basically starting...

That info has definitely raised my excitement level over his potential.

[anotherhomer]

But between that news and every time I've listened to Will Lou's podcast this year (sometimes just play in the background as I work on my laptop), I've heard him say several times now that he notices that CMB actually knocks down a lot of his 3s in his practices and warmups (no disrespect to Scottie but I haven't heard him say the same about him) and obv he seems to making them at a decent clip.

That info has definitely raised my excitement level over his potential.

That gives me more hope that CMB can become a decent 3-pt shooter

[tsherkin]

Just for funzies, CMB as a starter this year to-date: 11.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.3 apg on 60.0% TS in 25.5 mpg. The one game where he got 30+ minutes, he posted 15/9/5 in a bit over 31 mpg, albeit "only" shooting 50% from the floor and hitting his only FT.

Dude's productive. Knows where to be on the court, has good timing, knows how to use his body. Solid addition already.

[Thaddy]

Just for funzies, CMB as a starter this year to-date: 11.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 2.3 apg on 60.0% TS in 25.5 mpg. The one game where he got 30+ minutes, he posted 15/9/5 in a bit over 31 mpg, albeit "only" shooting 50% from the floor and hitting his only FT.

Dude's productive. Knows where to be on the court, has good timing, knows how to use his body. Solid addition already.

Seems like we should probably keep him as a starter then. It still looks like RJ isn't having that much impact on the floor his BPM isn't that good. It's good right now but the sample size is small, he's usually been a negative to slightly positive player. If we replace him with CMB I feel we would surge. It would increase the BPM potential of the starting 5.

Then the question is what do we trade RJ for? I would guess we'd want back an explosive guard or a young big. I'd lean towards the latter.

Either way we don't need another starter. Trading RJ for long term pieces like a prospect and picks could be just as good of an idea.

[CPT]

It’s obviously not a problem yet, but I do have concerns about all 4 of CMB/Scottie/Ingram/RJ being able to play together. I think having 3 of them on the court together might already be pushing it, and two would probably be ideal.

Maybe it just works very well with the BI-as-a-stopgap timeline, but if the opportunity comes up for a surprise trade for a PG or C, you’d have to think about it.