Tre Johnson: welcome to the DMV

[dckingsfan]

Maybe go back and watch his positioning and his hands?

or you can go watch and tell me if I'm the one being disingenuous

Okay, I'll do that. What did you want me to look for?

What I saw. He was boxing out and grabbing rebounds. He was deflecting passes with his quick hands. He wasn't getting blown by (which is what I had fully expected).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

thomas bryant got garbage minutes tonight for the cavs, and i couldn't help but think of Queen

Maybe go back and watch his positioning and his hands?

or you can go watch and tell me if I'm the one being disingenuous

Tim Duncan and Antonio Daniels really like Derik Queen, but what do they know?

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Derik Queen had 13 points, 5 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 blocks, 4 turnovers in 24 minutes, vs. the Spurs.

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[tontoz]

Derik Queen had 13 points, 5 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 blocks, 4 turnovers in 24 minutes, vs. the Spurs.

Why do you keep posting about Queen in the Tre thread? We have a thread for 2025 rookies and this isn't it.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Why you keep posting about Queen in the Tre thread? We have a thread for 2025 rookies and this isn't it.[/b]

Why? From three days ago:

It's time for Tre Johnson to thrill me with a good game. Otherwise, I might get bored and go into troll mode over how well Derik Queen has played with Zion Williamson out.

I think Queen could have complemented Sarr well. I recall most here said DQ would struggle defensively. Not so. His strength has been the Wizards' greatest area of need.

I felt like trolling. Is Johnson the better pick?

[nate33]

Why you keep posting about Queen in the Tre thread? We have a thread for 2025 rookies and this isn't it.[/b]

Why? From three days ago:

It's time for Tre Johnson to thrill me with a good game. Otherwise, I might get bored and go into troll mode over how well Derik Queen has played with Zion Williamson out.

I think Queen could have complemented Sarr well. I recall most here said DQ would struggle defensively. Not so. His strength has been the Wizards' greatest area of need.

I felt like trolling. Is Johnson the better pick?

I still think so.

Queen hasn't really been playing THAT well despite all of your posts here. We're talking about a center with a TS% of .525. He has outplayed Johnson, but not really as much as you think. Here are their numbers on a per 100 possession basis.



They are scoring about the same, though Tre is more efficient with a better TS% and fewer turnovers. Queen is obviously rebounding quite a bit better and his stocks are good, but he is also fouling everyone in sight. Overall, BPM and PER say he is out playing Johnson, but we can't forget that Queen is 16 months older than Tre. We should be comparing Tre's second year to Queen's rookie year.

[tontoz]

Why you keep posting about Queen in the Tre thread? We have a thread for 2025 rookies and this isn't it.[/b]

Why? From three days ago:

It's time for Tre Johnson to thrill me with a good game. Otherwise, I might get bored and go into troll mode over how well Derik Queen has played with Zion Williamson out.

I think Queen could have complemented Sarr well. I recall most here said DQ would struggle defensively. Not so. His strength has been the Wizards' greatest area of need.

I felt like trolling. Is Johnson the better pick?

Queen has a TS of 52.5% which sucks for anyone, especially a big man.

You might be impressed by a big who scored 13 pts on 14 shots but I am pretty sure you are the only one.

maybe you should create your own thread about fat NBA players for you to obsess over. You were slobbering all over Sengun after opening night when he made 5 3s. Now he is back to being a total non threat from 3 with only 5 made 3s in his last 7 games.

[WizarDynasty]

It's only a matter of time. DQ is an allstar. Just re-read my post because it applies to the mediocre GM's on this board. There are some good ones here, but very very few.

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...DQ is an allstar. Just re-read my post....

[Dat2U]

Queen is a conundrum. He was before the draft to me, although I had him 6 overall on my board, I still didn't want him at 6, only in a trade down scenario. Why? Too much standing around on defense. Which is sorta hard to deal with when your playing C and its clear his best position offensively is C. Well he's still standing around on defense for alot of possessions and that really is a tough sell for me. I do think he has the best footwork I've ever seen for a 20 yr old, including Jokic but of course he's not nearly as big. I just don't know, even after watching him dominate an NBA quarter. He has to want to play defense and I have not seen a commitment to that yet.

[WizarDynasty]

Recognize that your suffering as a wizard fan is due to incompetence and making poor decisions. Selecting Tre over Queen set the wizards back for another 10 years of suffering.
If the GM had paid any attention to this board, he would have had a hint that Johnson was not an allstar. I provided free advice to save wizards' fans from another decade of suffering.
He decided to go with the mock board to protect his job instead of making the choice that would have saved the franchise from suffering and if allowed a thirteen overall pick to lose us a draft spot by making a meaningless shot?... Queen is all star, Tre Johnson is wide open three point shooting specialist. He is not an athletic finisher through contact. You can't teach athleticism. His shooting is a skill that great if he had the ability to shut down his man, but he is below average athletically. He is a dime a dozen player and we Queen is a once every 15 years allstar player. The miss in unforgiveable and just because he slipped down 13 doesn't mean our GM gets to keep his job. He easily could have read this board to get insight and chose not to.

[tontoz]

Recognize that your suffering as a wizard fan is due to incompetence and making poor decisions. Selecting Tre over Queen set the wizards back for another 10 years of suffering.
If the GM had paid any attention to this board, he would have had a hint that Johnson was not an allstar. I provided free advice to save wizards' fans from another decade of suffering.
He decided to go with the mock board to protect his job instead of making the choice that would have saved the franchise from suffering and if allowed a thirteen overall pick to lose us a draft spot by making a meaningless shot?... Queen is all star, Tre Johnson is wide open three point shooting specialist. He is not an athletic finisher through contact. You can't teach athleticism. His shooting is a skill that great if he had the ability to shut down his man, but he is below average athletically. He is a dime a dozen player and we Queen is a once every 15 years allstar player. The miss in unforgiveable and just because he slipped down 13 doesn't mean our GM gets to keep his job. He easily could have read this board to get insight and chose not to.

Tre has been a more efficient scorer than Queen in spite of the fact that Queen is a big who gets more easy baskets inside. Queen is a bad player coming off the bench of a bad team, just like Tre.

[TGW]

If I had my choice, I'd take Queen over Johnson all day everyday. I honestly feel that Queen at 6'9-6'10 has more in the toolbox and more basketball skills than Johnson. Queen's skillset is undeniable.

Sorry for the derail.

[nate33]

If I had my choice, I'd take Queen over Johnson all day everyday. I honestly feel that Queen at 6'9-6'10 has more in the toolbox and more basketball skills than Johnson. Queen's skillset is undeniable.

Sorry for the derail.

The issue with Queen is defense. It almost doesn't even matter how good he is on offense. If he is not a plus defender on D, he will get played off the floor in the playoffs. Queen reminds me of Demarcus Cousins. Demarcus Cousins averaged 22 and 11 as a full time starter including 25 and 12 over his 5 year peak, yet he never made the playoffs once until he was a stopgap center for Golden State alongside 4 Hall-of-Fame teammates.

[dckingsfan]

If I had my choice, I'd take Queen over Johnson all day everyday. I honestly feel that Queen at 6'9-6'10 has more in the toolbox and more basketball skills than Johnson. Queen's skillset is undeniable.

Sorry for the derail.

The issue with Queen is defense. It almost doesn't even matter how good he is on offense. If he is not a plus defender on D, he will get played off the floor in the playoffs. Queen reminds me of Demarcus Cousins. Demarcus Cousins averaged 22 and 11 as a full time starter including 25 and 12 over his 5 year peak, yet he never made the playoffs once until he was a stopgap center for Golden State alongside 4 Hall-of-Fame teammates.

I mean both are young and we have to see where they go.

In both cases they need other players to make them shine. Tre needs teammates that attack attention to get him open looks (IMO, although he is already shooting .375 from 3) and he needs defenders around him as well.

Queen needs a rim defender in the frontcourt to not get played off the court (IMO). Ideally a 3&D PF or C.

But... it is far easier to protect a player like Tre defensively than a player like Queen (again, opinion). VERY early days but... Queen has been one of the better defenders (statistically) on the worst (or second to worst) defense team in the league (one needs to note he is coming off the bench - so not playing against the starters.

The real answer (in perfect 20/20 hindsight) is "none of the above". Trading NO for their unprotected first in '26 is the answer to the question. Sadly, Atlanta nailed that one.

[tontoz]

The strength of Tre's game is hitting 3s on the move. He can hit them moving either direction off the catch or off the dribble. With his quick/high release he can make them when contested too. The problem is that they really aren't setting off ball screens for him. He frequently catches the ball way behind the line.

It is a tank year so whatever.

[dobrojim]

do we have the makings of another Deni traded thread? We don't have enough to talk about!

[dckingsfan]

The strength of Tre's game is hitting 3s on the move. He can hit them moving either direction off the catch or off the dribble. With his quick/high release he can make them when contested too. The problem is that they really aren't setting off ball screens for him. He frequently catches the ball way behind the line.

It is a tank year so whatever.

And... he can finish at the rim (.714 from 0 to 3 feet). So, when they do start running plays for him they won't be able to be too aggressive because he can just back cut.