Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon

[dckingsfan]

Deni….. AVDIJA!!!!!

Appreciate the bump on the thread. I feel if I had done it - it would have been perceived as negative

[bsilver]

Oh no you’re right. There’s no hierarchy of nerddom on an obscure message board of a losing team. I just wrote 20 paragraphs in response to trolling. Not like you can call me reasonable. Troll away. Whatever keeps you from blowing up post offices or whatever.

Why are we Deni fans so intent on keeping this thread alive?
A lot of it is that we don't like the inflammatory language which amounts to personal insults. Terms like "unbelievably whiny" and "weeps and tears their shirt", and worse, don't help.

I enjoy watching the Trailblazers games and keeping up with Deni's career. I'm still a Wizards fan, but the games are hardly watchable. The trade took away much of our reasons to watch the Wizards games. We deserve to watch a competitive team.

[doclinkin]

Grow our own.

The aim is to draft top talent to an organization prepared to develop them.

Deni was our own, and if the aim is to draft and develop prospects, then that is more of an accusation against our front office, because it implies that they couldn't develop him. No? I think you even said it in another post above, that Deni needed to move on, because we cannot develop him.

Not me. Deni broke out under this administration’s development plan. I expect they are confident they can grow their own.

It takes time though. It sure did in Deni’s case. I don’t see any of his loudest fans acknowledging how his early career here was up and down. And that he himself said he got in his own way.

It took this front office’s philosophy to foster what he does well for him to make the late season surge that showed his best strengths and garnered the offer from the Blazers. Their stated development plan says: do the thing that got you to the league. Be that guy first. Then add other skills. In Deni’s case that meant they gave him the ball and led him run the transition break to get easy buckets. The confidence and everything else followed from there.

I expect they think if their scouting is good they can do the same with the rest of their young roster. Seems to be working with Kyshawn and Sarr.

Players like Bub and Bilal are younger in their draft years than Deni was. Studies show players tend to break out in their 3rd year, but that younger players tend to take longer by a year or so. Certainly true for Deni. Fans are just impatient. We haven’t been through a true rebuild before. An intentional one anyway. In the past ownership has pressed the GM to hurry up and make something happen. Personally I’m comfortable letting it play out. Because the plan requires that we lose until we are out from under the axe of a lost draft pick.

[doclinkin]

Oh no you’re right. There’s no hierarchy of nerddom on an obscure message board of a losing team. I just wrote 20 paragraphs in response to trolling. Not like you can call me reasonable. Troll away. Whatever keeps you from blowing up post offices or whatever.

Why are we Deni fans so intent on keeping this thread alive?
A lot of it is that we don't like the inflammatory language which amounts to personal insults. Terms like "unbelievably whiny" and "weeps and tears their shirt", and worse, don't help.

I enjoy watching the Trailblazers games and keeping up with Deni's career. I'm still a Wizards fan, but the games are hardly watchable. The trade took away much of our reasons to watch the Wizards games. We deserve to watch a competitive team.

And there are those of us who believe we are headed there.

The rest of your point is fair and well stated. But I’d submit you examine the posts of those in opposition to see if they too are being moderate in their views. Answer often is nope.

Reasonable to disagree. It irks me when it bleeds over into other threads. And it has a different flavor than when we lost Ben Wallace or Webber. Maybe there because we universally agreed that the trades were bad. Where here there are smart arguments on both sides.

I don’t mind it in this thread really. Happy to lob bombs back and forth. Some of my favorite arguments have been with PIF who I count as a friend in real life. Hard to take personally anything Cnt’crazy says, I myself like when a poster is willing to be an a55 and pick a good fight. Don’t care about the tone, I’m happy to give back what is put out. To me that’s half the fun of being on here.

But tone aside I for sure will disagree with the substance of his argument. Even if the argument doesn’t go much beyond a string of cartoon gifs and more of the same ‘the front office is terrible because Deni Deni Deni’ jazz. Shrug. Okay.

My deal is hey fussing about it is half the reason we’re in here. If the games aren’t competitive at least the arguments can be. Even if the play of Deni is making my argument harder. Though Deni is also strengthening the part of the argument that says: he’d put in jeopardy the draft pick. To me that outweighs everything. The whole point of bottoming out is that the top of the lotto is the quickest way for a bottom dwelling team to judo flip their fortunes. Though you have to get lucky in the right year. Or a couple of them. Just ask San Antonio.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Oh no you’re right. There’s no hierarchy of nerddom on an obscure message board of a losing team. I just wrote 20 paragraphs in response to trolling. Not like you can call me reasonable. Troll away. Whatever keeps you from blowing up post offices or whatever.

Why are we Deni fans so intent on keeping this thread alive?
A lot of it is that we don't like the inflammatory language which amounts to personal insults. Terms like "unbelievably whiny" and "weeps and tears their shirt", and worse, don't help.

I enjoy watching the Trailblazers games and keeping up with Deni's career. I'm still a Wizards fan, but the games are hardly watchable. The trade took away much of our reasons to watch the Wizards games. We deserve to watch a competitive team.

Can I add it's a bit much to insinuate an opposing point of view is now coming has to come from someone bombing post offices?

[doclinkin]

I dunno. My contention is if the Unibomber had message boards to fuss on he wouldn’t have had to blow up universities to get his message across. Was it Bayard Rustin who said violence is the language of the unheard? Who knows how much malfeasance would be caused by frustrated Wiz fans if they didn’t have a place to hoot and fumigate.

[payitforward]

Part of me believes they didn't want a guy from the old regime to outshine their guys, hence why they made a trade that was hasty.... more like a insecure, knee jerk thing that they thought they could brush under the rug....

I don't know you, of course, or what you do for a living, but the idea of anyone on this board making a judgment of the kind you are making about experienced professional businessmen like Winger & Dawkins strikes me as truly off the wall.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I dunno. My contention is if the Unibomber had message boards to fuss on he wouldn’t have had to blow up universities to get his message across. Was it Bayard Rustin who said violence is the language of the unheard? Who knows how much malfeasance would be caused by frustrated Wiz fans if they didn’t have a place to hoot and fumigate.

Dude, stop projecting...

Maybe your realities are blurring together, but I was just have a little back and forth with you after painting my kid's rooms all day. No one cares about your esoteric musing about the mind, this really just about the Washington Wizards and basketball, a conversation about the merits of a front office that happens on countless other websites and forums as well, deal with it without getting so obviously flustered. I'm not a neo-IRA bomber, nor do I believe any one on this boards have any inclinations as such (well errrrr....) or that posting on it keeps them from doing such.

Take the L, doubling down just is making you look that much more silly. Your takes on this move are enough silliness for everyone.

[doclinkin]

Oh my bad. Your arguments are goofy because you’re high on paint fumes. Now I see. Understood.

[payitforward]

Good for you for painting the kids' rooms!

As I wrote earlier, this thread has gotten overheated. Got to me as well.

Maybe the mods should lock this thread for a year, then open it again for a while, then lock it for a while, then open it for a while when we get that 2d R1 pick?

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Part of me believes they didn't want a guy from the old regime to outshine their guys, hence why they made a trade that was hasty.... more like a insecure, knee jerk thing that they thought they could brush under the rug....

I don't know you, of course, or what you do for a living, but the idea of anyone on this board making a judgment of the kind you are making about experienced professional businessmen like Winger & Dawkins strikes me as truly off the wall.

Well it's convenient that you cut out the part where I clearly say I really don't know at the end of the day and that's just how it kind of read to me.

And what the hell is this pompous air you have about yourself, talking about what I may or may not do for a living, as it relates to this discussion? You now tried to insinuate the Dawkins is somehow immune to any critique because of title and status. I guess by that line of reasoning, Jeffrey Epstein would be immune to any of anyone's criticism because he was a well to do business man.

Off the wall is you and doclinkin continuing to embarrass yourselves with ad hominem attacks.

[AFM]

Locking this thread does nothing. You can't contain the Deni Avdija Movement to a "thread". Every day Deni grows in strength while Bub Carrington weakens. Sort of like that Jet Li movie The One. By this time next year, Deni will average 40/30/20 and Carrington will be getting his ankles broken by WizD in the Takoma Park rec league.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Good for you for painting the kids' rooms!

As I wrote earlier, this thread has gotten overheated. Got to me as well.

Maybe the mods should lock this thread for a year, then open it again for a while, then lock it for a while, then open it for a while when we get that 2d R1 pick?

Real question, why would you want to suppress speech in a space your attendance is completely optional?

[doclinkin]

I don’t think the thread needs to be locked myself. I don’t think either me or Cntcrazy really take each other seriously on this. Hell we fundamentally agree on 2 things: Deni is a good player, and it’s worth wasting our time disagreeing about the future of this franchise. The rest is just a function of this: if we knew went to quit we probably wouldn’t be fans of the Washington Wizards.

[doclinkin]

But okay yeah. We could be bringing more content than lobbing insults at each other. So I’ll subside. Probably more fun for me than for other readers. Apologies. Another time.

[Kanyewest]

Deni….. AVDIJA!!!!!

My pillow must be worth a lot of money now.

[The Consiglieri]

Here it looks like there’s a clear plan.

What is the plan? I think the plan would include getting a player like Deni on our team. Now we are hoping to draft for one or trade for one.

Draft a better one. Grow our own.

The aim is to draft top talent to an organization prepared to develop them. Kyshawn and Sarr show promise in this regard. Bilal hasn’t yet taken a jump though the talent is there.

Folks gloss over Deni’s iffy early returns, though fans pine for him because he did grow and break out. Took him 4 years to do so, after he signed a contract extension. We haven’t had even their first draft pick that long.

We are in talent accumulation phase. The mission has been to draft multiple talents as good or better than Deni. Last years top draft had 2-3. This year has 2-3. The aim is championship contention. We need a franchise player. Is Deni that guy? Is he your #1 option on a winning team. A superstar. If not then we can’t afford to pass up every chance at landing that guy.

It's weird to come across the fed up, i see it with Peters and the Commanders too, and all I can think is:

You can't tell the difference between the Pollin/Unseld/EG/Shepard/Cerrato/Casserly/Bruce Allen years and this? Seriously?

We basically spent 1980-2023 pretending we were not a bottom 3 squad in the entire league for that era, desperately trying to produce 37-42 win seasons as a ceiling. How in ---- people are so frustrated with these guys, who've clearly hit:

Single or Double: Bilal
Triple: Sarr
Double or Triple: George

All with really bad picks in bad drafts, or picks outside the blue chip zone....I just do not understand it. The plan is obvious, the journey forward difficult, but haven't we all watched 40+ years of the same old ----. Aren't you sick of it? We could lose 80 games the next 3 years in a row and I wouldn't give a ---- if it meant we could draft truly difference making talent and be in position to potentially be a good or great team by '28. We waited 40 years to even try this with genuine dedication, and commitment, and people started whining, and wanting off the train in year 2. It was and is flat out absurd and ridiculous. Just insane.

It may not work, and I understand that, and so what, try again then. We tried the other way from when i was age 6, to age freaking 47. Think of how many years of wasted fandom that is, and you guys can't wait another 2-3 years? It's just beyond ridiculous.

[The Consiglieri]

Grow our own.

The aim is to draft top talent to an organization prepared to develop them.

Fans are just impatient. We haven’t been through a true rebuild before. An intentional one anyway. In the past ownership has pressed the GM to hurry up and make something happen. Personally I’m comfortable letting it play out. Because the plan requires that we lose until we are out from under the axe of a lost draft pick.

The bit that's weird is they did kind of do this circa 2009-2013. But EG basically stepped on a series of land mines and tried to short cut it to keep his paycheck.

These guys I think have less of a leash w/some because the tank didn't really start with them, it started similarly to EG's accidental tank in '09-'10, via Shepard's mismanagement and poor draft decisions which of course lead to that top 7 pick in '22-'23. So instead of feeling like just 2 years of tanking, it's really 3 years+ of tanking, and more years of wayward stupidity, and if were honest with ourselves, 42 years of it other than some serious tank efforts here and there ('92-'95, '09-13 etc). This team has been utterly lost in terms of direction since 2017, and since stablishing a sense of direction in '23, knowing the direction is down, after so many years of already down, is probably a bit too much for some. The fact that they are actually approaching this correctly, in terms of process, is why I'm happy, I have a hard time understanding feeling differently about it.

[payitforward]

Part of me believes they didn't want a guy from the old regime to outshine their guys, hence why they made a trade that was hasty.... more like a insecure, knee jerk thing that they thought they could brush under the rug....

I don't know you, of course, or what you do for a living, but the idea of anyone on this board making a judgment of the kind you are making about experienced professional businessmen like Winger & Dawkins strikes me as truly off the wall.

Well it's convenient that you cut out the part where I clearly say I really don't know at the end of the day and that's just how it kind of read to me.

And what the hell is this pompous air you have about yourself, talking about what I may or may not do for a living, as it relates to this discussion? You now tried to insinuate the Dawkins is somehow immune to any critique because of title and status. I guess by that line of reasoning, Jeffrey Epstein would be immune to any of anyone's criticism because he was a well to do business man.

Off the wall is you and doclinkin continuing to embarrass yourselves with ad hominem attacks.

It's hard work staying on a friendly basis with you But I'm going to keep working on it!

[payitforward]

Good for you for painting the kids' rooms!

As I wrote earlier, this thread has gotten overheated. Got to me as well.

Maybe the mods should lock this thread for a year, then open it again for a while, then lock it for a while, then open it for a while when we get that 2d R1 pick?

Real question, why would you want to suppress speech in a space your attendance is completely optional?

Real answer -- I meant that as a humorous suggestion.

What colors did you paint the kids' rooms?