OT: NFL 25 Draft and Beyond Thread

[Ghetto Gospel]

pat leonard is a hero

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[mpharris36]

It's over. Thank you football Jesus

we are not in the clear yet...especially with Mara making decisions. Its the right decision but the follow up moves or letting Schoen pick another HC would be a disaster as well.

Clean house.

Agreed. I have always said they should go together. It's hard to know where the incompetence starts and ends with them since they worked so closely together and you never really want to do a half measure with a new regime.

yup no half measures...everyone front the GM to the coaching staff.

If you don't what HC candidates are you truly going to get knowing Schoen is on the hot seat as well. Most of the top HC candidates while they might love Dart and the situation might feel they don't want to be tied to a GM that they don't know or wont be here in a year.

New GM/HC let them pick there staff and build the organization back up.

The good thing is we aren't starting from the ground level. We have a QB, we have a couple of foundational pieces...but we need a new GM/HC that know what they are doing and can field a winning team.

[mpharris36]

hopefully the nepo hires too but that might be asking too much

there is no way Tim Mcdonnell is going anywhere...Mara grandson is good friends with Schoen now and probably in Mara's ear to keep Schoen and it was just a Daboll issue with the late 4th qtr collapses.

yeah i get it, but i'm sure tim mcdonnell and chris mara don't actually have to work. they can figure out a way to keep them employed by the giants and collecting a check, but without any actual influence in the decision making process.

let's not forget that daboll was also a schoen choice so schoen still has to take a large amount of blame for that. let's see what happens in the back 7 games of the season, i don't expect much and we'll probably finish with 1 or 2 wins and hopefully that results in a front office sweep

Oh Schoen needs to go...I'm just preparing for Mara to do half measures.

Thanks for Dart...now don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[TerrenceClarke]

Schoen is terrible at the top of the draft. Even Carter looks suspect. For the sake of the giants he cant draft again....please no.

[Gravy]

Oh boy. Daboll had many issues but now they gotta find a coach who like Dart and believes in him like Daboll or it could be another Daniel Jones situation.

edit: Lets Go!

[mpharris36]

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they are going to push that the talent is there because they have been winning 4th qtr and its on the coaching for blowing those games...I just see it now.

[TerrenceClarke]

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they are going to push that the talent is there because they have been winning 4th qtr and its on the coaching for blowing those games...I just see it now.

Of course. Cause Schoen can even quietly throw Daboll under the bus now that he is gone. The only way to cement this is that nothing works and we just keep looking like schit. Im not confident about this dude being fired.


In a perfect world I would want the interm coach to give the team a spark, but I cant even root for that.

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they are going to push that the talent is there because they have been winning 4th qtr and its on the coaching for blowing those games...I just see it now.

Of course. Cause Schoen can even quietly throw Daboll under the bus now that he is gone. The only way to cement this is that nothing works and we just keep looking like schit. Im not confident about this dude being fired.


In a perfect world I would want the interm coach to give the team a spark, but I cant even root for that.

Schoen needs to be fired. He built these rosters

[mpharris36]

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they are going to push that the talent is there because they have been winning 4th qtr and its on the coaching for blowing those games...I just see it now.

Of course. Cause Schoen can even quietly throw Daboll under the bus now that he is gone. The only way to cement this is that nothing works and we just keep looking like schit. Im not confident about this dude being fired.


In a perfect world I would want the interm coach to give the team a spark, but I cant even root for that.

I just want them to get through the year without like Dart/AT or any of there major players getting injured.

A new GM/HC combo with a franchise QB (which Dart looks like he could be) + a top pick where we can then hold QB hungry teams hostage for a trade haul could turn this franchise around in one year assuming Nabers/Scatt and other come back healthy. I don't need any "extra" wins this year especially if Dart isn't playing.

[mpharris36]

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they are going to push that the talent is there because they have been winning 4th qtr and its on the coaching for blowing those games...I just see it now.

Of course. Cause Schoen can even quietly throw Daboll under the bus now that he is gone. The only way to cement this is that nothing works and we just keep looking like schit. Im not confident about this dude being fired.


In a perfect world I would want the interm coach to give the team a spark, but I cant even root for that.

Schoen needs to be fired. He built these rosters

He should I'm saying what they are going to argue...

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if they win those 3 games...they are 5-5 right now...that will be the argument.

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Of course. Cause Schoen can even quietly throw Daboll under the bus now that he is gone. The only way to cement this is that nothing works and we just keep looking like schit. Im not confident about this dude being fired.


In a perfect world I would want the interm coach to give the team a spark, but I cant even root for that.

Schoen needs to be fired. He built these rosters

He should I'm saying what they are going to argue...

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if they win those 3 games...they are 5-5 right now...that will be the argument.

A page or two back, MDB and I talked over the complete case Schoen is going to make.

It's why you can't assume Schoen will be gone. Mara is conservative by nature and values continuity pretty highly. He tries to change incrementally.

Schoen has enough to make a case to him

Just look at Mara's statement:

“We spoke this morning about the direction of our franchise on the field, and we have decided that, at this time, it is in our best interest to make a change at the head coaching position,” president John Mara and chairman Steve Tisch said in a joint statement.

”The past few seasons have been nothing short of disappointing, and we have not met our expectations for this franchise. We understand the frustrations of our fans, and we will work to deliver a significantly improved product.

“We feel like Joe has assembled a good young nucleus of talent, and we look forward to its development,” said Mara. “Unfortunately, the results over the past three years have not been what any of us want. We take full responsibility for those results and look forward to the kind of success our fans expect.”

[Ghetto Gospel]

sounds like he's staying at least through the offseason if he's leading the search for the new head coach

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[FrozenEnvelope]

I'm honestly shocked Mara actually pulled the plug on that goof Daboll. But it's so stupid that Schoen and especially Bowen weren't let go as well!

Watch Kafka win enough of these meaningless games to be kept.

But good riddance Daboll! You can't coach scared here! And you can't act like a know-it-all **** to the media and lose as many games as you did! Daboll isn't a stupid guy and there is a place in the league for him as a OC or QB coach but he proved he isn't HC material!

[FrozenEnvelope]

No decent HC is going to want to come here and work with Schoen. It's the same issue we had last offseason and why Bowen was kept. No decent DC was going to come here with Daboll knowing he was on the hot seat. Same **** with Schoen! And that's why you need to fire Schoen too!!!

[jvsimonetti0514]

It’s just amazing that Mara keeps doing things in the worst way possible. Nobodies going to want to coach here if they think the GM’s on borrowed time. It’s going to be exactly the same as when we tried to hire a new D coordinator after Dabs fired Wink. You’re gonna be brought in at a really uncomfortable time with the fanbase and beat reporters that hates your boss. Unless they’re looking for a retread, are you going to be willing to let your one shot of being a head coach be with a GM that’s whiffed on more first round picks than he’s hit on? I certainly wouldn’t. It’s just another worst case scenario for the organization. Let’s just hope things really spin out of control further that Schoen gets fired at the end of the season.

[mpharris36]

It’s just amazing that Mara keeps doing things in the worst way possible. Nobodies going to want to coach here if they think the GM’s on borrowed time. It’s going to be exactly the same as when we tried to hire a new D coordinator after Dabs fired Wink. You’re gonna be brought in at a really uncomfortable time with the fanbase and beat reporters that hates your boss. Unless they’re looking for a retread, are you going to be willing to let your one shot of being a head coach be with a GM that’s whiffed on more first round picks than he’s hit on? I certainly wouldn’t. It’s just another worst case scenario for the organization. Let’s just hope things really spin out of control further that Schoen gets fired at the end of the season.

yup this sounds like its going to be Mike McCarthy or someone like Gruden the vet type that just wants to work and will be fine with a not ideal work environment.

just completely backwards again.

[Kampuchea]

Keep and extend Schoen

[TerrenceClarke]

Dart is prob gonna save the dude. But as I said before. We have seen solid QBs surrounded my mid talent and go nowhere. 53 man roster with the best players not even drafted by him. Its nasty work. Like you can count like on one hand the "decent" players he has drafted smh.

What should be judged is that he was a high spender in FA year after year, drafted at the top of the draft numerous times, and this roster is still buns after four years. By large he has failed this team.

The fact that they are even reports they are still high on him is crazy. What is there to be high on. Where is the all pro talent that he has accumulated that warrants to be "high" on him.

Looks like Mara is the one who is high.

[jvsimonetti0514]

It’s just amazing that Mara keeps doing things in the worst way possible. Nobodies going to want to coach here if they think the GM’s on borrowed time. It’s going to be exactly the same as when we tried to hire a new D coordinator after Dabs fired Wink. You’re gonna be brought in at a really uncomfortable time with the fanbase and beat reporters that hates your boss. Unless they’re looking for a retread, are you going to be willing to let your one shot of being a head coach be with a GM that’s whiffed on more first round picks than he’s hit on? I certainly wouldn’t. It’s just another worst case scenario for the organization. Let’s just hope things really spin out of control further that Schoen gets fired at the end of the season.

yup this sounds like its going to be Mike McCarthy or someone like Gruden the vet type that just wants to work and will be fine with a not ideal work environment.

just completely backwards again.

Just wait till Bellicheck gets fired at UNC then we’re really going to be stuck in the upside down world.