NBA Trade Thread #13

[prolific passer]

There is no youth movement here. Once we get past this tough stretch we are going to be piling on wins. Coby and giddy are that good

Anthony Davis to the bulls makes a lot of sense

First off we have the depth (Smith and collins) to aid Davis to limit his minutes so he can remain healthy and line ups with Davis plus one of them would work.

We also have a great package to offer the Mavs for him.

Vuc + matas + pwill plus 2 conditional picks for Davis

Why Dallas says yes? Matas plus flaag is a promising duo that fits the timeline and would bring excitement to Dallas. As long as Coby ayo and now giddy is here the chances of matas being a 1st option is slim. Vuc and pwill makes the money work

Why the bulls say yes? Because Davis helps in win now and in the east if we can get him into the playoffs relatively healthy he can handle Giannis the Cleveland and Detroit front court and embiid

I know health is a huge sticking point here but if it works we could be in the finals with this move.

No thanks to an injured and aging AD over an up and coming young guy with high potential in Matas.

[weneeda2guard]

There is no youth movement here. Once we get past this tough stretch we are going to be piling on wins. Coby and giddy are that good

Anthony Davis to the bulls makes a lot of sense

First off we have the depth (Smith and collins) to aid Davis to limit his minutes so he can remain healthy and line ups with Davis plus one of them would work.

We also have a great package to offer the Mavs for him.

Vuc + matas + pwill plus 2 conditional picks for Davis

Why Dallas says yes? Matas plus flaag is a promising duo that fits the timeline and would bring excitement to Dallas. As long as Coby ayo and now giddy is here the chances of matas being a 1st option is slim. Vuc and pwill makes the money work

Why the bulls say yes? Because Davis helps in win now and in the east if we can get him into the playoffs relatively healthy he can handle Giannis the Cleveland and Detroit front court and embiid

I know health is a huge sticking point here but if it works we could be in the finals with this move.

No thanks to an injured and aging AD over an up and coming young guy with high potential in Matas.

Matas does not have high potential. He just doesn't

He does not have 1st option lead you to a title potential. He has fringe all star but 2nd option at best potential.

[prolific passer]

There is no youth movement here. Once we get past this tough stretch we are going to be piling on wins. Coby and giddy are that good

Anthony Davis to the bulls makes a lot of sense

First off we have the depth (Smith and collins) to aid Davis to limit his minutes so he can remain healthy and line ups with Davis plus one of them would work.

We also have a great package to offer the Mavs for him.

Vuc + matas + pwill plus 2 conditional picks for Davis

Why Dallas says yes? Matas plus flaag is a promising duo that fits the timeline and would bring excitement to Dallas. As long as Coby ayo and now giddy is here the chances of matas being a 1st option is slim. Vuc and pwill makes the money work

Why the bulls say yes? Because Davis helps in win now and in the east if we can get him into the playoffs relatively healthy he can handle Giannis the Cleveland and Detroit front court and embiid

I know health is a huge sticking point here but if it works we could be in the finals with this move.

No thanks to an injured and aging AD over an up and coming young guy with high potential in Matas.

Matas does not have high potential. He just doesn't

He does not have 1st option lead you to a title potential. He has fringe all star but 2nd option at best potential.

Id rather stick with him over AD who I believe is currently injured.

[jnrjr79]

There is no youth movement here. Once we get past this tough stretch we are going to be piling on wins. Coby and giddy are that good

Anthony Davis to the bulls makes a lot of sense

First off we have the depth (Smith and collins) to aid Davis to limit his minutes so he can remain healthy and line ups with Davis plus one of them would work.

We also have a great package to offer the Mavs for him.

Vuc + matas + pwill plus 2 conditional picks for Davis

Why Dallas says yes? Matas plus flaag is a promising duo that fits the timeline and would bring excitement to Dallas. As long as Coby ayo and now giddy is here the chances of matas being a 1st option is slim. Vuc and pwill makes the money work

Why the bulls say yes? Because Davis helps in win now and in the east if we can get him into the playoffs relatively healthy he can handle Giannis the Cleveland and Detroit front court and embiid

I know health is a huge sticking point here but if it works we could be in the finals with this move.

Maybe it's just me, but I would not trade Matas straight up for AD, let alone putting in other stuff.

Like matas but I don't see 1st option lead your team to a title type talent with him. I see at best Lauri markenen ceiling with him. Gotta give to get and matas in the package would make it hard for Dallas to say no. Davis could keep us contending for the next few years and with Smith and collins here they could help keep him healthy. Davis helps us deal with Giannis and Detroit and Cleveland front court. Davis helps us deal with KAT in New York. Matas doesn't do that.

I think it's two things for me: 1) I have a higher view than that of Matas's ceiling (though I agree he may not be a #1), and 2) I think AD is more a guy you take a flyer on given his reliability issues than someone I'd be trading big assets for. AD is still a top 10-ish player when healthy, but he's never healthy, and he's got a long enough track record that there's little reason to believe that will change.

[jnrjr79]

There is no youth movement here. Once we get past this tough stretch we are going to be piling on wins. Coby and giddy are that good

Anthony Davis to the bulls makes a lot of sense

First off we have the depth (Smith and collins) to aid Davis to limit his minutes so he can remain healthy and line ups with Davis plus one of them would work.

We also have a great package to offer the Mavs for him.

Vuc + matas + pwill plus 2 conditional picks for Davis

Why Dallas says yes? Matas plus flaag is a promising duo that fits the timeline and would bring excitement to Dallas. As long as Coby ayo and now giddy is here the chances of matas being a 1st option is slim. Vuc and pwill makes the money work

Why the bulls say yes? Because Davis helps in win now and in the east if we can get him into the playoffs relatively healthy he can handle Giannis the Cleveland and Detroit front court and embiid

I know health is a huge sticking point here but if it works we could be in the finals with this move.

No thanks to an injured and aging AD over an up and coming young guy with high potential in Matas.

Matas does not have high potential. He just doesn't

He does not have 1st option lead you to a title potential. He has fringe all star but 2nd option at best potential.

I disagree, but in the scheme of things, "fringe All-Star/2nd option" is absolutely high potential in the scheme of things in the NBA. You don't unload those guys lightly.

[Indomitable]

There is no youth movement here. Once we get past this tough stretch we are going to be piling on wins. Coby and giddy are that good

Anthony Davis to the bulls makes a lot of sense

First off we have the depth (Smith and collins) to aid Davis to limit his minutes so he can remain healthy and line ups with Davis plus one of them would work.

We also have a great package to offer the Mavs for him.

Vuc + matas + pwill plus 2 conditional picks for Davis

Why Dallas says yes? Matas plus flaag is a promising duo that fits the timeline and would bring excitement to Dallas. As long as Coby ayo and now giddy is here the chances of matas being a 1st option is slim. Vuc and pwill makes the money work

Why the bulls say yes? Because Davis helps in win now and in the east if we can get him into the playoffs relatively healthy he can handle Giannis the Cleveland and Detroit front court and embiid

I know health is a huge sticking point here but if it works we could be in the finals with this move.

No thanks to an injured and aging AD over an up and coming young guy with high potential in Matas.

Matas does not have high potential. He just doesn't

He does not have 1st option lead you to a title potential. He has fringe all star but 2nd option at best potential.

AD is an injured player who will not be available.

[Indomitable]

AD is still a top 10-ish player when healthy, but he's never healthy, and he's got a long enough track record that there's little reason to believe that will change.

Jokic
Giannis
Shai
Luka
Wemby
Durant
Curry
Edwards
Brunson
Mitchell

Plus Davis pulled a Zion this summer. The Bulls are a young team. Let see how the season plays out. We are not about to win a ring.

[jnrjr79]

AD is still a top 10-ish player when healthy, but he's never healthy, and he's got a long enough track record that there's little reason to believe that will change.

Jokic
Giannis
Shai
Luka
Wemby
Durant
Curry
Edwards
Brunson
Mitchell

Plus Davis pulled a Zion this summer. The Bulls are a young team. Let see how the season plays out. We are not about to win a ring.

I think this proves my point on his overall quality. I think your list is pretty good, but I'd have AD above Brunson (but not necessarily Mitchell) and I'm not sure exactly where I'd put Durant these days. But IMO a *healthy* AD is a better player than Brunson because he plays both ends of the floor.

But given his injury history, where would one actually rank his value? Last season, Bill Simmons/The Ringer had him as the #11 player with the most trade value. Since then, he's been injured twice. I imagine that would take him down a peg, plus he's only under control for one more season after this one (and whether to give him a huge extension is a tough call itself, given the injury history).

I tend to agree that the Bulls should not be interested in a guy like Davis generally speaking. If you squint, I can see justifying it if you can get him on the cheap. He wouldn't put this team over the top, but if healthy (a big if), he probably has you solidly in the top 4 in the East.

BTW, I don't know what you're referring to when you said AD "pulled a Zion."

[ImSlower]

I assume he means when AD showed up 15 pounds above his weight the year prior.

[dpucane]

Matas for AD is truly insane

[Infinity2152]

AD might end up getting traded for fire sale prices, and soon too. Injured last season, start of this season, and they just fired the GM who brought him in, so relationship has to be bad. Rumored he came back early from injury last season after the trade because Nico was under fire, which led to him getting immediately re-injured.

If the cost is low, there's almost no downside. There are few opportunities to add top 10-15 players, and some come with injury risks. Only two extra years on his contract, he's 32, not like being locked in forever. He played 51 games last year, 76 the year before.

We all agree it would be great to get a top 10-15 player, right? We accept that player is likely max, right?

Player A: 14th best player in the league, medium injury risk, trade cost 2 good players, mid player, 5 first round picks
Player B: 12th best player in the league, high injury risk, trade cost 1 good player, two mid players, 2 first round picks

Should we always go for Player A? Player B costs less first round picks to get, that's some insurance against the injury. Player A could still get injured. Very few 7 footers manage even 65+ gms/season.

[nomorezorro]

i don't really see what incentive the mavericks have to trade him for fire sale prices

[Dan Z]

AD might end up getting traded for fire sale prices, and soon too. Injured last season, start of this season, and they just fired the GM who brought him in, so relationship has to be bad. Rumored he came back early from injury last season after the trade because Nico was under fire, which led to him getting immediately re-injured.

If the cost is low, there's almost no downside. There are few opportunities to add top 10-15 players, and some come with injury risks. Only two extra years on his contract, he's 32, not like being locked in forever. He played 51 games last year, 76 the year before.

We all agree it would be great to get a top 10-15 player, right? We accept that player is likely max, right?

Player A: 14th best player in the league, medium injury risk, trade cost 2 good players, mid player, 5 first round picks
Player B: 12th best player in the league, high injury risk, trade cost 1 good player, two mid players, 2 first round picks

Should we always go for Player A? Player B costs less first round picks to get, that's some insurance against the injury. Player A could still get injured. Very few 7 footers manage even 65+ gms/season.

They gave up Luka for him. I doubt that he'll be had for a low deal, but who knows.

I agree about the injury concerns, but when AD is healthy he's still a very good player.

[Infinity2152]

Reasons Mavs MAY trade AD at fire sale prices: (Key word being may )

1. They have two centers and just drafted a star power forward at number 1, plus have another very good one in PJ Washington. When they traded for AD they did not know they were getting Cooper Flagg. So minutes crunch.

2. Devoting an awful lot of money to the center position. Lively and Gafford are mid-high level centers, younger and both under contract. The trade made no sense in the beginning, moneywise. That's $50-$60 mill that can be split across multiple positions. There's no starting SG. Klay Thompson signing is also being bashed by Nico, think they both may be moved. Money crunch.

3. He was injured last year, injured right now, right? Price has to be rock bottom. Don't think other teams are offering Luka's for him right now. Trading for him can get a GM fired.

4. Mavericks fans are livid over the trade, the sooner they move on the better. New GM's frequently clear house, and Harrison is being used as the sacrificial lamb, like ownership didn't sign off on the trade because they didn't want to pay a supermax contract. Public relations wise, if they can get something that LOOKS like a good deal for Davis if you squint real hard, I think they take it. Draft picks, Flagg, expiring cap space, new GM, they can talk about the future now instead of the sorry Mav's present with AD.

I'm not saying for free. Perhaps we should qualify fire sales prices. I mean priced where a team could quickly move an injured player, would have to happen before the deadline. How many teams would have means and interest in trading for AD right now?

[Chi town]

NO AD. The opposite of what should be doing.

Mavs should be selling Kyrie and AD and tanking hard for Coop’s running mate.

[Infinity2152]

Why are people so scared for the Bulls to make a risky play for a player that fits? I swear, every single trade for a major player gets hit with resistance. Most in here say they want us to get a top 10-15 player. Nobody wants to pay what it costs to get one. You're either going to deal with age and injury risks or giving up a ton of picks. Should we give up 5 firsts instead of two to get one with average injury risk, or just not get one?

There has to be a balance. AD plays a LOT of minutes for a center, averages 35-36 minutes most years. Played center a lot when he wants to be at PF. Most big guys who play that many minutes are injured a lot. Check the stats. We could have a special season if we trade for AD and keep Vucevic and our main guys.

I'm not going to ignore the fact that these guys look great right now. A JJJ or AD boost, they look like a top team. Without a "superstar". Who knows what the league looks like next year, and I don't think AD's contract would cripple us even if he plays 60 gms/season next 2-3 seasons.

He's literally everything you want in a PF, once you discount his price for injury risk. He's played at least 60 games 8 of his 13 seasons, what's the average for 7 footers?

[dpucane]

i don't really see what incentive the mavericks have to trade him for fire sale prices

They don’t have their own picks from 2027-30 (Yes they really **** up this bad)

This is the only draft where they’ll have a shot to add another Dude.

[Chi town]

54 58 62 million reasons why you don’t trade for a declining aging injury like AD.

This is totally the type of move AK would make.

At least dump Pat’s contract if you do a dumb deal for AD.

[Infinity2152]

Easy blueprint for Mavs: Trade Klay Thompson for expirings, AD for expirings, young players, picks. Tank hard this season.

Let's say AD, Brandon Willams for Collins, Huerter, Williams and two firsts. Clear $36 mill with Huerter and Collins in the summer. Expirings for Klay gives you another $16 mill. Probably re-sign Huerter.

Get a high draft pick, say a SG, they're looking at Irving, Rookie, PJ Washington, Flagg, Lively, Gafford, Christie, Russell, much more cap space and extra picks. If one of those picks is a 2026 pick, even better. Add two rookies to Flagg and the bunch. Much younger team quickly, still talented.

Could be another team of course, but similar type trade, they're much better off.

Pat's contract would pretty much have to be included in any AD trade, of course. I really wish somebody could pull up injury numbers for 7 footers playing 34-36 minutes a game the last 15 years or so, so we could see if he's really "injury prone" compared to the average 7 footer. Wonder what that would look like. Do we just not want players 7ft or taller? Who wants that Wemby, Holgrem type center, they've played less games than AD the last two years, lol. Played more than Walker Kessler, guess he's out. No Porzingas, Embid of course. Who's left besides Jokic and Vucevic? KAT played 7 more games than AD over the last 2 years, guess he sticks. But he played 29 the year before.

[dpucane]

Easy blueprint for Mavs: Trade Klay Thompson for expirings, AD for expirings, young players, picks. Tank hard this season.

Let's say AD, Brandon Willams for Collins, Huerter, Williams and two firsts. Clear $36 mill with Huerter and Collins in the summer. Expirings for Klay gives you another $16 mill. Probably re-sign Huerter.

2 firsts for 40 games of AD is franchise altering malpractice. (And unfortunately the exact kind of thing I’d expect AK to do)