OT: NFL 25 Draft and Beyond Thread

[GONYK]

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Also on Bob Papa's podcast with Carl Banks he said that a lot can change between now and the end of the year the Giants just need someone to start the HC search. So doesn't sound like Schoen is safe right now.

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This is also interesting. I like Freeman. Would need to load his staff with OC/DC choices but I think this is the type of hire we need to have a guy that commands respect rather than just an X's/O's guy.

We also have a lot of connects with Notre Dame.

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Eh, I think Schoen is safe. They wouldn't have named him in the statement if he wasn't.

I do wonder how much Mara's health is factoring in to this. I doubt he really wants to be hands-on enough at this stage to conduct a full GM search.

A lot of smoke is coming out today from Duggan, Papa, and other respected guys in the building that he isn't safe. Mara's health is playing a factor in that he wants him to start the GM search but eveyrone is saying Mara and Tisch are picking the HC (not sure if that is a good thing)...Schoen could have a recommendation but the situation is fluid.

Also it was reported that if the new HC that Mara/Tisch picked wanted to bring in a GM he wanted to work with they would probably let that happen as well.

Basically status quo right now and wants Schoen to do all the preliminary stuff in terms of setting up the interviews and getting a bunch of candidates...but if Mara is picking the HC and if they want certain HC's they might not want to work with Schoen...so sounds like he's on borrowed time.

Well sounds like you're following this closer than I am, so if those are the vibes, then I am happy to hear that.

We can't repeat the Coughlin/Reese mistake we made before. The FO needs to move in unison and own the results together.

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[mpharris36]

also keeping an eye on the Mike Tomlin situation as well.

[TerrenceClarke]

I dont think the problem is coaches with no HC experience. The NFL is ripe with first time HC succeeding plenty over the last 5+ years. The problem is that the FO sucks at evaluating what makes a coach successful.

homie from ND would be a dude that has proven more as a coach than Mac, Judge, Daboll even if only on college level.

[mpharris36]

I dont think the problem is coaches with no HC experience. The NFL is ripe with first time HC succeeding plenty over the last 5+ years. The problem is that the FO sucks at evaluating what makes a coach successful.

homie from ND would be a dude that has proven more as a coach than Mac, Judge, Daboll even if only on college level.

I think that is fair...the Giants/Mara have been terrible in general in there coaching/GM hires. So it all trickles down.

I think generally trying to find the snappy new OC has always been a thing in the NFL. To get yourself a McVay you have to give them a shot but you don't know how they will truly lead you just are getting them for there mind.

The Giants probably have to move off the X's and O's and go for more of a Coughlin CEO type (someone that can manage the team) build some accountability within the organization. That is why I like a Tomlin or even go college route and go with Freeman.

But these guys require getting a really good staff because they are more CEO types..they are going to oversee the gameplan but there aren't going to be the ones to develop Dart or develop and offensive gameplan on a week to week basis.

So that is the draw back...but I think its important to get someone that knows how to win...instead of taking a chance on the hot OC coming out.

[TerrenceClarke]

I dont think the problem is coaches with no HC experience. The NFL is ripe with first time HC succeeding plenty over the last 5+ years. The problem is that the FO sucks at evaluating what makes a coach successful.

homie from ND would be a dude that has proven more as a coach than Mac, Judge, Daboll even if only on college level.

I think that is fair...the Giants/Mara have been terrible in general in there coaching/GM hires. So it all trickles down.

I think generally trying to find the snappy new OC has always been a thing in the NFL. To get yourself a McVay you have to give them a shot but you don't know how they will truly lead you just are getting them for there mind.

The Giants probably have to move off the X's and O's and go for more of a Coughlin CEO type (someone that can manage the team) build some accountability within the organization. That is why I like a Tomlin or even go college route and go with Freeman.

But these guys require getting a really good staff because they are more CEO types..they are going to oversee the gameplan but there aren't going to be the ones to develop Dart or develop and offensive gameplan on a week to week basis.

So that is the draw back...but I think its important to get someone that knows how to win...instead of taking a chance on the hot OC coming out.

the sad part is this will be the longest period they ever had to find a coach and Mara can still get it wrong. You cant keep Schoen cause if Schoen makes it pass this year and you leave him to find the coach, he will more than likley be trying to pick the safest retread out there cause he wants to keep his Job and get a "favorable" review from the media.

Like we still in the same situation having Mara keep Schoen around. A new GM will not be as tight as he does not have four years of trash on his resume.


Man we still in the dirt. Being a Giants fan still has a dark cloud even with Daboll gone.

[mpharris36]

I dont think the problem is coaches with no HC experience. The NFL is ripe with first time HC succeeding plenty over the last 5+ years. The problem is that the FO sucks at evaluating what makes a coach successful.

homie from ND would be a dude that has proven more as a coach than Mac, Judge, Daboll even if only on college level.

I think that is fair...the Giants/Mara have been terrible in general in there coaching/GM hires. So it all trickles down.

I think generally trying to find the snappy new OC has always been a thing in the NFL. To get yourself a McVay you have to give them a shot but you don't know how they will truly lead you just are getting them for there mind.

The Giants probably have to move off the X's and O's and go for more of a Coughlin CEO type (someone that can manage the team) build some accountability within the organization. That is why I like a Tomlin or even go college route and go with Freeman.

But these guys require getting a really good staff because they are more CEO types..they are going to oversee the gameplan but there aren't going to be the ones to develop Dart or develop and offensive gameplan on a week to week basis.

So that is the draw back...but I think its important to get someone that knows how to win...instead of taking a chance on the hot OC coming out.

the sad part is this will be the longest period they ever had to find a coach and Mara can still get it wrong. You cant keep Schoen cause if Schoen makes it pass this year and you leave him to find the coach, he will more than likley be trying to pick the safest retread out there cause he wants to keep his Job and get a "favorable" review from the media.

Like we still in the same situation having Mara keep Schoen around. A new GM will not be as tight as he does not have four years of trash on his resume.


Man we still in the dirt. Being a Giants fan still has a dark cloud even with Daboll gone.

Well at least it sounds like Schoen staying isn't a foregone conclusion with the reports today. Mara is just having Schoen conduct the HC search...but reports are this will be a Mara/Tisch decision and not Schoen and if the coach wants to work with someone else or Mara has second thoughts he can get rid of Schoen at end of year.

But because of his health he doesn't want to conduct a GM search and then that GM pick the coach. Sounds like we are going for more of a CEO type of HC and let him decide who he wants to work with from the FO.

[TerrenceClarke]

I think that is fair...the Giants/Mara have been terrible in general in there coaching/GM hires. So it all trickles down.

I think generally trying to find the snappy new OC has always been a thing in the NFL. To get yourself a McVay you have to give them a shot but you don't know how they will truly lead you just are getting them for there mind.

The Giants probably have to move off the X's and O's and go for more of a Coughlin CEO type (someone that can manage the team) build some accountability within the organization. That is why I like a Tomlin or even go college route and go with Freeman.

But these guys require getting a really good staff because they are more CEO types..they are going to oversee the gameplan but there aren't going to be the ones to develop Dart or develop and offensive gameplan on a week to week basis.

So that is the draw back...but I think its important to get someone that knows how to win...instead of taking a chance on the hot OC coming out.

the sad part is this will be the longest period they ever had to find a coach and Mara can still get it wrong. You cant keep Schoen cause if Schoen makes it pass this year and you leave him to find the coach, he will more than likley be trying to pick the safest retread out there cause he wants to keep his Job and get a "favorable" review from the media.

Like we still in the same situation having Mara keep Schoen around. A new GM will not be as tight as he does not have four years of trash on his resume.


Man we still in the dirt. Being a Giants fan still has a dark cloud even with Daboll gone.

Well at least it sounds like Schoen staying isn't a foregone conclusion with the reports today. Mara is just having Schoen conduct the HC search...but reports are this will be a Mara/Tisch decision and not Schoen and if the coach wants to work with someone else or Mara has second thoughts he can get rid of Schoen at end of year.

But because of his health he doesn't want to conduct a GM search and then that GM pick the coach. Sounds like we are going for more of a CEO type of HC and let him decide who he wants to work with from the FO.

A coach picking the GM? I don't think I ever seen that before. The only way I see this happening is with a long standing retread. Cant see them allowing a first time coach do that unless he was the hottest coaching prospect on the planet, or ever lol. The only way I can see that, is a Mike Tomlin have that type of cache.

[mpharris36]

the sad part is this will be the longest period they ever had to find a coach and Mara can still get it wrong. You cant keep Schoen cause if Schoen makes it pass this year and you leave him to find the coach, he will more than likley be trying to pick the safest retread out there cause he wants to keep his Job and get a "favorable" review from the media.

Like we still in the same situation having Mara keep Schoen around. A new GM will not be as tight as he does not have four years of trash on his resume.


Man we still in the dirt. Being a Giants fan still has a dark cloud even with Daboll gone.

Well at least it sounds like Schoen staying isn't a foregone conclusion with the reports today. Mara is just having Schoen conduct the HC search...but reports are this will be a Mara/Tisch decision and not Schoen and if the coach wants to work with someone else or Mara has second thoughts he can get rid of Schoen at end of year.

But because of his health he doesn't want to conduct a GM search and then that GM pick the coach. Sounds like we are going for more of a CEO type of HC and let him decide who he wants to work with from the FO.

A coach picking the GM? I don't think I ever seen that before. The only way I see this happening is with a long standing retread. Cant see them allowing a first time coach do that unless he was the hottest coaching prospect on the planet, or ever lol. The only way I can see that, is a Mike Tomlin have that type of cache.

Maybe input from the coach but doesn't sound like Schoen has much sway. IOC reported that basically Schoen is putting the meetings together with the coaches but this will be an ownership decision. Its not like Schoen is going to pick his guy like he did with Daboll.

Bob Papa says Mara is still deciding Schoen fate (he's in the building everday)...basically if the don't justify firing the coach with the blown leads and it more of a roster issue in Mara eyes he will change his mind.

I do think they want a coach with a little cache...I'm not big on McCarthy but he's another coach with a long track record of winning. Obviously Tomlin would be a great get but would the steelers let him go? Mara and Rooney family are coach so maybe a change of scenery is needed.

You might need to promise someone like Freeman something juicy for him to leave college for the NFL. So maybe he wants to work with someone kinda like Harbaugh got to do that in LAC.

[Synciere]

I wish I knew more about some of the coaches around the league to chime in intelligently. That said, I find it curious they’ve said schoen will be a part of searching for a new coach.

[Synciere]

Eh, I think Schoen is safe. They wouldn't have named him in the statement if he wasn't.

I do wonder how much Mara's health is factoring in to this. I doubt he really wants to be hands-on enough at this stage to conduct a full GM search.

A lot of smoke is coming out today from Duggan, Papa, and other respected guys in the building that he isn't safe. Mara's health is playing a factor in that he wants him to start the GM search but eveyrone is saying Mara and Tisch are picking the HC (not sure if that is a good thing)...Schoen could have a recommendation but the situation is fluid.

Also it was reported that if the new HC that Mara/Tisch picked wanted to bring in a GM he wanted to work with they would probably let that happen as well.

Basically status quo right now and wants Schoen to do all the preliminary stuff in terms of setting up the interviews and getting a bunch of candidates...but if Mara is picking the HC and if they want certain HC's they might not want to work with Schoen...so sounds like he's on borrowed time.

Well sounds like you're following this closer than I am, so if those are the vibes, then I am happy to hear that.

We can't repeat the Coughlin/Reese mistake we made before. The FO needs to move in unison and own the results together.

I like Freeman if for no other reason that he’s proven he can win at Notre Dame given their academic restraints. He feels more like a leader of men than the others, and he’s young.. but he heading been a head coach at the pro level, which feels like another judge/daboll hire.