Trades and Transactions 2025 V

[pieguyxx]

No

And for the love of god, please no AD

It's bad enough the Knicks gave all that money to KAT in the NBA era of "Bigs Don't Really Matter Anymore"

Knicks got KAT because they didnt want to pay Randle. Thats really what it came down to. I think KAT is a better fit here regardless of how much hes paid. I do wonder if the Knicks could knicks "rent" AD and then still do a Giannis trade given ADs value is so low right now.

I get all that. It’s still a mistake to pay all that money to a non elite creator. If KAT was generational like Jokic or Wemby? Sure. In nearly every other instance it’s dumb yet it always happens in the NBA


This is compounded by the fact that Mikal and OG are not elite creators yet are also paid a metric f*ck ton of money

And now Brunson is down and the Knicks will suck because the secondary guy doesn’t exist

And with Brunson healthy the team isn’t built for success in the playoffs because one creator gets game planned for

We did not have much of a choice, actually a bailout to get Towns. Randle had next to zero trade value and didnt want to be here by all accounts of his mental health read after the fact. I agree Mikal and OG are slightly overpaid which is why we should probably flip one of the two for an elite creator such as Giannis in a package deal. Bucks are bugging if they want that Towns-OG package tho.

[JayTWill]

Detroit Pistons
Rumor has it that the Pistons want a floor-spacing big man this summer after their most successful season in well over a decade. Towns could be that guy for them. If Detroit’s serious about taking it to another level, Towns gives them a floor-spacer with size and another shot creator.

Cade Cunningham is for real, and the Pistons know they have something with him. Towns would be expensive, but he is also a legitimate source of scoring they need when Cunningham is on the bench.

THE TRADE:



*Grizzlies receive 5 first round picks. Pistons get floor spacing big man. Knicks get CAA client and better roster fitting JJJ.

Why wouldn't the younger Pistons team take the 4 years younger floor spacing big that can also defend and is under contract for the next 5 years?

And FANSPO needs to find a way to stop allowing you to illegally trade our 2026 pick in every deal

[KnixinSix]

Detroit Pistons
Rumor has it that the Pistons want a floor-spacing big man this summer after their most successful season in well over a decade. Towns could be that guy for them. If Detroit’s serious about taking it to another level, Towns gives them a floor-spacer with size and another shot creator.

Cade Cunningham is for real, and the Pistons know they have something with him. Towns would be expensive, but he is also a legitimate source of scoring they need when Cunningham is on the bench.

THE TRADE:



*Grizzlies receive 5 first round picks. Pistons get floor spacing big man. Knicks get CAA client and better roster fitting JJJ.

Why wouldn't the younger Pistons team take the 4 years younger floor spacing big that can also defend and is under contract for the next 5 years?

And FANSPO needs to find a way to stop allowing you to illegally trade our 2026 pick in every deal

You are right, unless that CAA client insists on Knicks over Pistons. Which is possible.

[JayTWill]

Detroit Pistons
Rumor has it that the Pistons want a floor-spacing big man this summer after their most successful season in well over a decade. Towns could be that guy for them. If Detroit’s serious about taking it to another level, Towns gives them a floor-spacer with size and another shot creator.

Cade Cunningham is for real, and the Pistons know they have something with him. Towns would be expensive, but he is also a legitimate source of scoring they need when Cunningham is on the bench.

THE TRADE:



*Grizzlies receive 5 first round picks. Pistons get floor spacing big man. Knicks get CAA client and better roster fitting JJJ.

Why wouldn't the younger Pistons team take the 4 years younger floor spacing big that can also defend and is under contract for the next 5 years?

And FANSPO needs to find a way to stop allowing you to illegally trade our 2026 pick in every deal

You are right, unless that CAA client insists on Knicks over Pistons. Which is possible.

I can't imagine the Pistons paying 4 picks for KAT or caring about what CAA wants when JJJ is locked into his contract at least until the 2029 off-season in his prime unless he has a no-trade clause.

[pieguyxx]

Why wouldn't the younger Pistons team take the 4 years younger floor spacing big that can also defend and is under contract for the next 5 years?

And FANSPO needs to find a way to stop allowing you to illegally trade our 2026 pick in every deal

You are right, unless that CAA client insists on Knicks over Pistons. Which is possible.

I can't imagine the Pistons paying 4 picks for KAT or caring about what CAA wants when JJJ is locked into his contract at least until the 2029 off-season in his prime unless he has a no-trade clause.

JJJ is not better than Towns to even do this trade.

[Richard4444]

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Interestingggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He wants to get paid around 20M/y.

[Richard4444]

Detroit Pistons
Rumor has it that the Pistons want a floor-spacing big man this summer after their most successful season in well over a decade. Towns could be that guy for them. If Detroit’s serious about taking it to another level, Towns gives them a floor-spacer with size and another shot creator.

Cade Cunningham is for real, and the Pistons know they have something with him. Towns would be expensive, but he is also a legitimate source of scoring they need when Cunningham is on the bench.

THE TRADE:



*Grizzlies receive 5 first round picks. Pistons get floor spacing big man. Knicks get CAA client and better roster fitting JJJ.

Who would rebound with OG and JJJ in the team? When Mitch is injured (60%¨of the games), Hart would have to play 40 minutes a game.

[Richard4444]

Would AD stay healthy enough for that to work?

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No

And for the love of god, please no AD

It's bad enough the Knicks gave all that money to KAT in the NBA era of "Bigs Don't Really Matter Anymore"

Bigs don't matter. Wemby, Jokic, Gianiis, Mobley, Chet, Sengun are all scrubs...

[thebuzzardman]

Would AD stay healthy enough for that to work?

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No

And for the love of god, please no AD

It's bad enough the Knicks gave all that money to KAT in the NBA era of "Bigs Don't Really Matter Anymore"

Bigs don't matter. Wemby, Jokic, Gianiis, Mobley, Chet, Sengun are all scrubs...

Most teams aren't building around them.

My post was hyperbolic and more to the point about not investing too much money in players like KAT or AD.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are generational freaks who expanded what is possible from the C position.

KAT and AD are more like upscale Raef LaFrentz. I mean, it's nice when a center can pass some and isn't a post up stiff like in the old days, but they don't represent the top tier of the position, especially AD, who injuries have made a shell of his former self.

One of most key things in the NBA is that there are always players who get paid like super stars who aren't exactly super stars. Because of the CBAs and how money has always been distributed in the league. And that sometimes bad teams need to pay really good but not star players to put asses in seats.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are Centers that have in their games the ability of wings/guards/point guards.
Sengun isn't at that level but he's a really really good passer. WAY better than KAT. Shoots as well as him too. He also doesn't make 60 million per.
Mobly is a far better defender than KAT and he's the THIRD option on offense on a team that has two bonafide creative scorer/passers in Mitchell/Garland.
Chet isn't being paid a gazillon dollars yet and the real engine of OKC is SGA/Williams anyway. Oh look, Williams, another big with wing/guard skills.

KAT? He shoots well. That's his elite skill.
Ok passer. Drives well when the floor is spread out, otherwise he's an offensive foul waiting to happen.
His defense sucks.
60 million per

Big mistake.

I get the Knicks had to move on from Randle and I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to go 5 out
I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to assemble Villanovans.

It's just way too much $$$$ tied up in KAT/Mikal, players that aren't top tier elite in doing the things that championship teams do.

It's great the Knicks aren't the abject soul sucking losers they were for 20 years but in effect Leon capped out the team and traded all it's assets for a 2nd round exit (if lucky) team for the next 4 years.

Leon tried, he made the team much better, but making the last move or two to truly get over the top requires elite level GM'ing and no one in the Knicks FO is that, because it's a rare skill. And takes luck.

At least Brunson had the decency to not take a massive contract because he has the self awareness to know he's a flawed very good player. You know, exactly like OG, Mikal and KAT are. Of course the thanks he gets for it is fans starting to say he's a selfish chucker who ruins the offense. Good times.
I can't wait until the Elf/Ward/Felton level PGs are running the team post Brunson. Hope it last 30 years instead of 20 that time.

[pieguyxx]

Most teams dont have a big good enough to build around. Theres only like Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Wemby. KAT and Sengun if you squint maybe.

[pieguyxx]

No

And for the love of god, please no AD

It's bad enough the Knicks gave all that money to KAT in the NBA era of "Bigs Don't Really Matter Anymore"

Bigs don't matter. Wemby, Jokic, Gianiis, Mobley, Chet, Sengun are all scrubs...

Most teams aren't building around them.

My post was hyperbolic and more to the point about not investing too much money in players like KAT or AD.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are generational freaks who expanded what is possible from the C position.

KAT and AD are more like upscale Raef LaFrentz. I mean, it's nice when a center can pass some and isn't a post up stiff like in the old days, but they don't represent the top tier of the position, especially AD, who injuries have made a shell of his former self.

One of most key things in the NBA is that there are always players who get paid like super stars who aren't exactly super stars. Because of the CBAs and how money has always been distributed in the league. And that sometimes bad teams need to pay really good but not star players to put asses in seats.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are Centers that have in their games the ability of wings/guards/point guards.
Sengun isn't at that level but he's a really really good passer. WAY better than KAT. Shoots as well as him too. He also doesn't make 60 million per.
Mobly is a far better defender than KAT and he's the THIRD option on offense on a team that has two bonafide creative scorer/passers in Mitchell/Garland.
Chet isn't being paid a gazillon dollars yet and the real engine of OKC is SGA/Williams anyway. Oh look, Williams, another big with wing/guard skills.

KAT? He should well. That's his elite skill.
Ok passer. Drives well when the floor is spread out, otherwise he's an offensive foul waiting to happen.
His defense sucks.
60 million per

Big mistake.

I get the Knicks had to move on from Randle and I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to go 5 out
I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to assemble Villanovans.

It's just way too much $$$$ tied up in KAT/Mikal, players that aren't top tier elite in doing the things that championship teams do.

It's great the Knicks aren't the abject soul sucking losers they were for 20 years but in effect Leon capped out the team and traded all it's assets for a 2nd round exit (if lucky) team for the next 4 years.

Leon tried, he made the team much better, but making the last move or two to truly get over the top requires elite level GM'ing and no one in the Knicks FO is that, because it's a rare skill. And takes luck.

At least Brunson had the decency to not take a massive contract because he has the self awareness to know he's a flawed very good player. You know, exactly like OG, Mikal and KAT are. Of course the thanks he gets for it is fans starting to say he's a selfish chucker who ruins the offense. Good times.
I can't wait until the Elf/Ward/Felton level PGs are running the team post Brunson. Hope it last 30 years instead of 20 that time.

The move to get us over the top is Giannis.

[8516knicks]

No

And for the love of god, please no AD

It's bad enough the Knicks gave all that money to KAT in the NBA era of "Bigs Don't Really Matter Anymore"

Knicks got KAT because they didnt want to pay Randle. Thats really what it came down to. I think KAT is a better fit here regardless of how much hes paid. I do wonder if the Knicks could knicks "rent" AD and then still do a Giannis trade given ADs value is so low right now.

I get all that. It’s still a mistake to pay all that money to a non elite creator. If KAT was generational like Jokic or Wemby? Sure. In nearly every other instance it’s dumb yet it always happens in the NBA


This is compounded by the fact that Mikal and OG are not elite creators yet are also paid a metric f*ck ton of money

And now Brunson is down and the Knicks will suck because the secondary guy doesn’t exist

And with Brunson healthy the team isn’t built for success in the playoffs because one creator gets game planned for

Excellent post. But damn, now I gotta look up what happened with Brunson.

[8516knicks]

No

And for the love of god, please no AD

It's bad enough the Knicks gave all that money to KAT in the NBA era of "Bigs Don't Really Matter Anymore"

Bigs don't matter. Wemby, Jokic, Gianiis, Mobley, Chet, Sengun are all scrubs...

Most teams aren't building around them.

My post was hyperbolic and more to the point about not investing too much money in players like KAT or AD.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are generational freaks who expanded what is possible from the C position.

KAT and AD are more like upscale Raef LaFrentz. I mean, it's nice when a center can pass some and isn't a post up stiff like in the old days, but they don't represent the top tier of the position, especially AD, who injuries have made a shell of his former self.

One of most key things in the NBA is that there are always players who get paid like super stars who aren't exactly super stars. Because of the CBAs and how money has always been distributed in the league. And that sometimes bad teams need to pay really good but not star players to put asses in seats.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are Centers that have in their games the ability of wings/guards/point guards.
Sengun isn't at that level but he's a really really good passer. WAY better than KAT. Shoots as well as him too. He also doesn't make 60 million per.
Mobly is a far better defender than KAT and he's the THIRD option on offense on a team that has two bonafide creative scorer/passers in Mitchell/Garland.
Chet isn't being paid a gazillon dollars yet and the real engine of OKC is SGA/Williams anyway. Oh look, Williams, another big with wing/guard skills.

KAT? He should well. That's his elite skill.
Ok passer. Drives well when the floor is spread out, otherwise he's an offensive foul waiting to happen.
His defense sucks.
60 million per

Big mistake.

I get the Knicks had to move on from Randle and I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to go 5 out
I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to assemble Villanovans.

It's just way too much $$$$ tied up in KAT/Mikal, players that aren't top tier elite in doing the things that championship teams do.

It's great the Knicks aren't the abject soul sucking losers they were for 20 years but in effect Leon capped out the team and traded all it's assets for a 2nd round exit (if lucky) team for the next 4 years.

Leon tried, he made the team much better, but making the last move or two to truly get over the top requires elite level GM'ing and no one in the Knicks FO is that, because it's a rare skill. And takes luck.

At least Brunson had the decency to not take a massive contract because he has the self awareness to know he's a flawed very good player. You know, exactly like OG, Mikal and KAT are. Of course the thanks he gets for it is fans starting to say he's a selfish chucker who ruins the offense. Good times.
I can't wait until the Elf/Ward/Felton level PGs are running the team post Brunson. Hope it last 30 years instead of 20 that time.

Buzz on a roll!!!

We have 2 big mistakes dragging us down - KAT and Yabu. Also #3 - we need a backup decent PG. And send KAT to outer Mongolia or as it's is otherwise known, the Sacramento Kings.

[KnixinSix]

Why wouldn't the younger Pistons team take the 4 years younger floor spacing big that can also defend and is under contract for the next 5 years?

And FANSPO needs to find a way to stop allowing you to illegally trade our 2026 pick in every deal

You are right, unless that CAA client insists on Knicks over Pistons. Which is possible.

I can't imagine the Pistons paying 4 picks for KAT or caring about what CAA wants when JJJ is locked into his contract at least until the 2029 off-season in his prime unless he has a no-trade clause.

KAT is the better scorer, 3 pt shooter and rebounder. He has plenty of value and there are some teams that could value him over JJJ.

[sol537]

Ideas:

1) If Giannis asks out before the deadline, then you try to get him with KAT/Hart/youth/pick(s)... but, more likely, it would take KAT, OG, Dadiet, Kolek and whatever picks we have left to get Giannis, Turner, and Portis to make the salaries work with our guys going to a 3rd and 4th team.

2) KAT + Hart for Zion + Murphy

3) KAT to a 3rd team, assets to UTA, then Markennen to NYK.

[thebuzzardman]

Yeah, KAT is like this. Make him the highest paid Knick. Yes, the NBA is "building around bigs". Ones that have wing/guard skills and are all time players or on that trajectory like Jokic, Giannis, Wemby (who is like Jokic+Giannis+Height) and Sengun is a really great passer.

KAT is like old school centers with a jumper. There's nothing specifically special about his play other than the shooting, which lots of C's do now, only you wouldn't know it as a Knick fan because the Knicks ignored these kinds of Cs for years.

KAT just isn't elite enough at passing to be a 2nd option on offense or the team's top paid player.
I guess if the Knicks somehow found a cheap secondary creator on offense it might have worked, but they paid big for uber role player Mikal.
Great player, didn't address the biggest need.

Yeah, KAT is like this, lol.

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[thebuzzardman]

You are right, unless that CAA client insists on Knicks over Pistons. Which is possible.

I can't imagine the Pistons paying 4 picks for KAT or caring about what CAA wants when JJJ is locked into his contract at least until the 2029 off-season in his prime unless he has a no-trade clause.

KAT is the better scorer, 3 pt shooter and rebounder. He has plenty of value and there are some teams that could value him over JJJ.

It has to be some team that doesn't care about defense.

I'm sure there are some takers. I mean, the Knicks traded for KAT and the mavericks traded for AD.

Has to be a couple of other dumb teams left. Unfortunately I don't think the Bucks are one of them.

I might trade OG forJJJ, but actually not KAT.

I was on the trade for JJJ bandwagon but after getting another close look at him the other day, no thanks.
And even OG I'd question, because OG guards 4,3,2,5 and 1 but JJJ looks more comfortable guarding 4/5

Knicks either trade for Giannis or they are stuck with this Bronze Treadmill team.

[Jeffrey]

Ideas:

1) If Giannis asks out before the deadline, then you try to get him with KAT/Hart/youth/pick(s)... but, more likely, it would take KAT, OG, Dadiet, Kolek and whatever picks we have left to get Giannis, Turner, and Portis to make the salaries work with our guys going to a 3rd and 4th team.

2) KAT + Hart for Zion + Murphy

3) KAT to a 3rd team, assets to UTA, then Markennen to NYK.

This isn't just you but a lot of these fantasy trades. KAT is a star player but when we add him to the trade machine, why are we giving up additional assets? If it was KAT for Giannis (I doubt it will be), do we have to give all of our draft capital? KAT is closer in ranking to Giannis.

#1 do we need to give up a ton load of draft capital and players? If we're trading KAT then draft capital shouldn't be a whole lot.

# 2 is a no-go ... Zion's time has gone.

#3 ehh. I thought one of the goals was to have a balanced 2-way star player.

[pieguyxx]

Ideas:

1) If Giannis asks out before the deadline, then you try to get him with KAT/Hart/youth/pick(s)... but, more likely, it would take KAT, OG, Dadiet, Kolek and whatever picks we have left to get Giannis, Turner, and Portis to make the salaries work with our guys going to a 3rd and 4th team.

2) KAT + Hart for Zion + Murphy

3) KAT to a 3rd team, assets to UTA, then Markennen to NYK.

This isn't just you but a lot of these fantasy trades. KAT is a star player but when we add him to the trade machine, why are we giving up additional assets? If it was KAT for Giannis (I doubt it will be), do we have to give all of our draft capital? KAT is closer in ranking to Giannis.

#1 do we need to give up a ton load of draft capital and players? If we're trading KAT then draft capital shouldn't be a whole lot.

# 2 is a no-go ... Zion's time has gone.

#3 ehh. I thought one of the goals was to have a balanced 2-way star player.

I dont think the trade will involve KAT. For one he makes too much. Likely OG Hart Dadiet + picks. That would be more in line with previous trades.

[Jeffrey]

No

And for the love of god, please no AD

It's bad enough the Knicks gave all that money to KAT in the NBA era of "Bigs Don't Really Matter Anymore"

Bigs don't matter. Wemby, Jokic, Gianiis, Mobley, Chet, Sengun are all scrubs...

Most teams aren't building around them.

My post was hyperbolic and more to the point about not investing too much money in players like KAT or AD.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are generational freaks who expanded what is possible from the C position.

KAT and AD are more like upscale Raef LaFrentz. I mean, it's nice when a center can pass some and isn't a post up stiff like in the old days, but they don't represent the top tier of the position, especially AD, who injuries have made a shell of his former self.

One of most key things in the NBA is that there are always players who get paid like super stars who aren't exactly super stars. Because of the CBAs and how money has always been distributed in the league. And that sometimes bad teams need to pay really good but not star players to put asses in seats.

Wemby, Yokic and Giannis are Centers that have in their games the ability of wings/guards/point guards.
Sengun isn't at that level but he's a really really good passer. WAY better than KAT. Shoots as well as him too. He also doesn't make 60 million per.
Mobly is a far better defender than KAT and he's the THIRD option on offense on a team that has two bonafide creative scorer/passers in Mitchell/Garland.
Chet isn't being paid a gazillon dollars yet and the real engine of OKC is SGA/Williams anyway. Oh look, Williams, another big with wing/guard skills.

KAT? He should well. That's his elite skill.
Ok passer. Drives well when the floor is spread out, otherwise he's an offensive foul waiting to happen.
His defense sucks.
60 million per

Big mistake.

I get the Knicks had to move on from Randle and I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to go 5 out
I was enthusiastic for the Knicks to assemble Villanovans.

It's just way too much $$$$ tied up in KAT/Mikal, players that aren't top tier elite in doing the things that championship teams do.

It's great the Knicks aren't the abject soul sucking losers they were for 20 years but in effect Leon capped out the team and traded all it's assets for a 2nd round exit (if lucky) team for the next 4 years.

Leon tried, he made the team much better, but making the last move or two to truly get over the top requires elite level GM'ing and no one in the Knicks FO is that, because it's a rare skill. And takes luck.

At least Brunson had the decency to not take a massive contract because he has the self awareness to know he's a flawed very good player. You know, exactly like OG, Mikal and KAT are. Of course the thanks he gets for it is fans starting to say he's a selfish chucker who ruins the offense. Good times.
I can't wait until the Elf/Ward/Felton level PGs are running the team post Brunson. Hope it last 30 years instead of 20 that time.

Holy sh.it Buzz.. Damn I agree with most of it but KAT is a good to great passer for a Center. Pretty much KAT is all-time offense big man with very little defensive skill.

You're also right that due to CBA he has to be a max player. What if his extension, he is willing to take 50m per year again instead of the max? Everyone has taken a decent paycut to stay under 40m and we will see if KAT is willing. If not, you can't pay him max with zero defense. We really need a 2-way superstar. KAT's trade was justifiable because he is at a star level that will close the gap to a Giannis than a Julius Randle.

And your last 2 sentence.... geezus.