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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#101 » by redraptor77 » Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:56 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:To take the next step, this team needs a true lead PG and have IQ play the 2 full time.

Don't think RJ and Gradey are enough to get them a PG but that would be my next move if I was Bobby.


There is enough creation with Scottie/IQ/Ingram. They just need to pair IQ with a 3+D guard. A Suggs/Holiday/Wallace/Daniels type.



Yeah if Orlando keeps struggling scoring are they willing to look at a Suggs RJ swap they can toss in Wendle Carter
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#102 » by ForeverTFC » Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:58 am

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No way, he needs to be taking them. They're wide open.


I hate how every time a guy has a bad shooting game there’s always someone that says said player needs to stop shooting. **** man, what he needs to do is make those 3s not stop shooting them… if Ingram is bricking his mid range shots are you gonna say stop shooting them?


I never said he needs to stop shooting. I said he needs to lessen the volume. 6 attempts per game is too much for him, especially when they're not dropping.


Nah let him take it. One of the issues with him has historically been a low 3pa rate. He’s only at 4 attempts a game. We’ll want that higher I think.
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#103 » by TimeForChange » Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:59 am

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TimeForChange wrote:To take the next step, this team needs a true lead PG and have IQ play the 2 full time.

Don't think RJ and Gradey are enough to get them a PG but that would be my next move if I was Bobby.


I would rather focus on a bench C. The drop from Poeltl coming out to rest is too steep compared to whatever a true lead PG can bring over IQ. Not to mention, there is only so many offensive possessions to go around on a wing playmaker heavy team like us.

they would definitely need another big if they became a contender.

for now, I still believe a defensive lead PG is the next step.

this team is still 2 or 3 seasons away from being a consistent playoff team. hopefully Bobby is still around to see it play out.
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#104 » by kalel123 » Fri Nov 14, 2025 2:59 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
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PushDaRock wrote:
No way, he needs to be taking them. They're wide open.


I hate how every time a guy has a bad shooting game there’s always someone that says said player needs to stop shooting. **** man, what he needs to do is make those 3s not stop shooting them… if Ingram is bricking his mid range shots are you gonna say stop shooting them?


I never said he needs to stop shooting. I said he needs to lessen the volume. 6 attempts per game is too much for him, especially when they're not dropping.


I saw him miss wide open shots. Missing them is a problem but I don't know if passing them up is a solution.
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#105 » by ForeverTFC » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:00 am

redraptor77 wrote:
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TimeForChange wrote:To take the next step, this team needs a true lead PG and have IQ play the 2 full time.

Don't think RJ and Gradey are enough to get them a PG but that would be my next move if I was Bobby.


There is enough creation with Scottie/IQ/Ingram. They just need to pair IQ with a 3+D guard. A Suggs/Holiday/Wallace/Daniels type.



Yeah if Orlando keeps struggling scoring are they willing to look at a Suggs RJ swap they can toss in Wendle Carter
with a name like that he jas to play for Toronto


RJ makes the issue worse for them probably. They need IQ.
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Post#106 » by dagger » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:00 am

Geez, I came here expecting to read that Darko was fired and Scottie was traded for a couple of second rounder picks.
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#107 » by PushDaRock » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:00 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:To take the next step, this team needs a true lead PG and have IQ play the 2 full time.

Don't think RJ and Gradey are enough to get them a PG but that would be my next move if I was Bobby.


There is enough creation with Scottie/IQ/Ingram. They just need to pair IQ with a 3+D guard. Derrick White is the ideal player beside him but aSuggs/Holiday/Wallace/Daniels type works.


I think you still need RJ's skill set out there. You need someone that can get downhill and apply rim pressure on a team lacking in it. Perfect world, you are probably adding a Caruso/Dort type defender to play 25 mins a night as a rotation guy and occasional closing lineups. But, every team that has them are trying to hold onto them. We are probably still hoping Ochai or Walter can develop into that for us.
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Post#108 » by Tripod » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:00 am

mtcan wrote:Finally, a game in which Scottie didn't shrivel up and play small against Mobley and Allen. That's growth.

This kind of comment just shows your agenda against Barnes. Here are his last 10 games vs Cavs before tonight.

14-10-5-1-1
16-11-7-1-3
24-10-8-3-0
18-7-7-3-1
9-6-5-0-0 poor
24-10-10-1-1
20-6-5-1-1
15-8-3-1-1
12-3-5-0-2 poor
25-10-4-2-0

He isn't a "natural" scorer so expecting nights like tonight is setting yourself up for disappointment. But this myth that Barnes never plays well vs the Cavs is just that, a myth.
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#109 » by ForeverTFC » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:02 am

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ForeverTFC wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:To take the next step, this team needs a true lead PG and have IQ play the 2 full time.

Don't think RJ and Gradey are enough to get them a PG but that would be my next move if I was Bobby.


There is enough creation with Scottie/IQ/Ingram. They just need to pair IQ with a 3+D guard. Derrick White is the ideal player beside him but aSuggs/Holiday/Wallace/Daniels type works.


I think you still need RJ's skill set out there. You need someone that can get downhill and apply rim pressure on a team lacking in it. Perfect world, you are probably adding a Caruso/Dort type defender to play 25 mins a night as a rotation guy and occasional closing lineups. But, every team that has them are trying to hold onto them. We are probably still hoping Ochai or Walter can develop into that for us.


It’s a salary cap league. RJ is the most expandable and replaceable of the starting 5.
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Post#110 » by Madvillainy2004 » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:03 am

Absolutely insane people had Amen Thompson over Scottie Barnes coming into this year lmao
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#111 » by PushDaRock » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:04 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
There is enough creation with Scottie/IQ/Ingram. They just need to pair IQ with a 3+D guard. Derrick White is the ideal player beside him but aSuggs/Holiday/Wallace/Daniels type works.


I think you still need RJ's skill set out there. You need someone that can get downhill and apply rim pressure on a team lacking in it. Perfect world, you are probably adding a Caruso/Dort type defender to play 25 mins a night as a rotation guy and occasional closing lineups. But, every team that has them are trying to hold onto them. We are probably still hoping Ochai or Walter can develop into that for us.


It’s a salary cap league. RJ is the most expandable and replaceable of the starting 5.


If we're actually going to be a good team, they will need to pay some tax.
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#112 » by ForeverTFC » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:07 am

PushDaRock wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
I think you still need RJ's skill set out there. You need someone that can get downhill and apply rim pressure on a team lacking in it. Perfect world, you are probably adding a Caruso/Dort type defender to play 25 mins a night as a rotation guy and occasional closing lineups. But, every team that has them are trying to hold onto them. We are probably still hoping Ochai or Walter can develop into that for us.


It’s a salary cap league. RJ is the most expandable and replaceable of the starting 5.


If we're actually going to be a good team, they will need to pay some tax.


Sure. But i) we’re still a ways from that and ii) some tax is one thing, the 2nd apron is another. The kind of player we want beside IQ doesn’t come cheap. Even Caruso/Dort are at $20m.
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Post#113 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:08 am

bape_lovers wrote:Ochai is injured, but if he can just keep it simple, drive and corner 3s. He’ll be fine. He is great defender.

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:IQ has turned it around. Needs to slow down with the transition 3’s when we haven’t had a bucket ina while.

Scottie is way better than I thought he could be. Not having to create all the offense definitely helps

We need to find better ways to get Ingram looks. Him fighting to get the ball just to do tough isos is bad offense that is just working rn. Can’t rely on that

RJ should never take a side step 3 again

JKW/Ochai/Mogbo need a change of scenery. JKW isn’t a guy we can be playing while he’s still developing. Ochai can’t create any offense as a 25 year old guard, Mogbo has been eclipsed by CMB


He can barely dribble or pass and he plays sg. He’s extension eligible with no extension talks reported and he was taken out of the rotation before he got hurt an we’ve been winning regardless. Most expendable guy next to Mogbo on the roster

All the good teams have dynamic guards off the bench. We’re one Grimes level bench SG and like Day’Ron Sharpe/Gafford off the bench away from being a stamped top east team
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#114 » by Naysorn » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:09 am

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Post#115 » by Potential » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:10 am

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I'm glad our beautiful point guard responded after taking criticism from a huge market in a huge city and fanbase with unfortunately a bunch of bad apples of fans talking **** and saying dirty things to him only after the first week of the season. Keep it up IQ
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Post#116 » by Appostis » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:10 am

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Post#117 » by Zeno » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:11 am

Madvillainy2004 wrote:Isane game from Quickley too hes on a nice hotstreak right now but im sure ill see complaints about his 10/13 shooting 25 and 6 game lmao

I just looked at Quickley's game log and noticed something interesting. Since the first Cleveland game where he scored 4 points, he has increased his scoring output for 7 straight games. 4,9,15,18,22,24 and 25 tonight. I wonder how long he can keep it going and what the record for this is. key is starting low and building slowly.
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Post#118 » by Thaddy » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:12 am

I always believed in IQ he's the PG of the future for YEARS TO COME!
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Post#119 » by PhilBlackson » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:12 am

Jeremy Lin 7 wrote:Barnes playing All NBA level this season. Making the right reads and his defense has gone up to another level

This team with a bench of veterans instead of Abaji, Dick, and Walter could be top 4 in the east. If this team plays at a 45 win pace, I could see Bobby selling on our unproven young talent.


I'd use one Gradey or JKW plus Ochai for Gafford, just not sure what contract we could add. Personally I'd like to keep RJ.

I don't see a current star player that's available that's really worth the juice.
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Re: PG: Raptors Win! 

Post#120 » by PushDaRock » Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:12 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
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It’s a salary cap league. RJ is the most expandable and replaceable of the starting 5.


If we're actually going to be a good team, they will need to pay some tax.


Sure. But i) we’re still a ways from that and ii) some tax is one thing, the 2nd apron is another. The kind of player we want beside IQ doesn’t come cheap. Even Caruso/Dort are at $20m.


Wouldn't be that difficult to add one of those types of players and make moves to be under the 2nd apron. Not having a Super Max guy helps from that stand point. Now, actually acquiring them for a reasonable price is a different story. Point is I would rather be trying to add to the roster than be shoring up one weakness while creating a hole elsewhere. If you had Gradey or Walter playing well enough to make RJ expendable, that would be another story.

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