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Post#841 » by PushDaRock » Thu Nov 20, 2025 4:13 pm

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I was one of the very few on the board advocating for Queen....Looks like the game comes easy to him as a rookie its pretty impressive....I would have took Queen over CMB personally because of the Size and skills alone.....Hope CMB can hopefully have a productive and injury free season when he comes back because we need this pick to work out.

Atm if i am the Front office i regret not taking Queen or Coward.


Queen has been very inefficient and has provided very little defense for them.

Honestly, how many centers put up a 53% TS%, provide no spacing and then are a non-factor defensively?

I do like Queen though and hopefully he can develop a three point shot. That will really unlock his game.


He's mostly been as expected on offense, below average efficiency and capable of some really good games mixed in with some bad ones. Still no 3 point shot either because the form is pretty broken right now to be consistent from deep.

His on/off splits are great though in the SSS, will be interesting to see if that continues.

I think his D has actually been a bit better than expected, one of the better DRTG's on the team.

He looks like he slimmed down which has him looking a bit springier out there. Still isn't really an athlete by any stretch as a lot of those dunks are rim grazers. But, he's fairly mobile out there and has flashed his offensive potential which is to be expected. The question as it's always been is will it translate over to him being a high USG guy on a good team?
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Post#842 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:10 pm

I honestly don't know why anyone cares how efficient a rookie is. It has absolutely no correlation with whether they will be efficient later on in their career.
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Post#843 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:11 pm

Duffman100 wrote:The question with Queen (as will be the same with George) is,

Are they going to be efficient and consistent enough to justify have the ball in their hands for a winning team.

If not,

Can they successfully play off ball and have a positive impact.

We basically have two off ball players in CMB and Dick and George and Queen are very ball possession players.


I Don't think Queen will need to be the guy with the ball in hands on a winning team.....He just is a good player to have on your team because he can do so many things good, Put the ball in CMBs hands for a winning team it won't work out well either....But out of the two between Queen/CMB id rather have the ball in Queens hands because he is more skilled....

Queen will be fine in the NBA because Skills he has will always have a spot on any team in the league and with the right team around him he will be fine....In fact i would argue Queen on the Raptors as a backup C to Jakob right now would be the perfect role for Queen and he would be flourishing with us right now....Its not like the ball is always in his hands for the Pelicans and he is doing just fine....

Pre draft people were saying many negative things about Queen and he is proving he can play very well in the NBA....Tim Duncan praised him one of the best bigs in the history of the game... I would say Queen is valid.
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Post#844 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:13 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:I honestly don't know why anyone cares how efficient a rookie is. It has absolutely no correlation with whether they will be efficient later on in their career.


to Judge any young player on efficency is the worst way to judge them because no young players are going to be efficient....It takes time to develop that and many of the young players are on bad teams and are given the green light because they are also tanking for lotto balls. Judge them on efficiency a few years in their career.

Siakam was not efficient at all as a young player especially that 3pt % was horrible....Players develop.
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Post#845 » by SharoneWright » Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:59 pm

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ATLTimekeeper wrote:I honestly don't know why anyone cares how efficient a rookie is. It has absolutely no correlation with whether they will be efficient later on in their career.


to Judge any young player on efficency is the worst way to judge them because no young players are going to be efficient....It takes time to develop that and many of the young players are on bad teams and are given the green light because they are also tanking for lotto balls. Judge them on efficiency a few years in their career.

Siakam was not efficient at all as a young player especially that 3pt % was horrible....Players develop.

It also takes time to learn that if you’re holding the ball with 2.5 seconds left on the shot clock, it’s a really good time to pass it!! ;)
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Post#846 » by Airmiess » Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:08 pm

Every time I read a headline about this kid its that he will be out.
I really hope it doesn't become a thing to expect, regarding the injuries.
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Post#847 » by Clutch0z24 » Today 7:10 am





Queen had a good game with his passing today and continues to look smooth, And Coward continues to look great.....CMB needs to come back and have some big games because right now i feel we made a mistake passing on Queen & Coward. We could have used these two in our rotation.
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Post#848 » by Basketball_Jones » Today 7:14 am

Coward is nice for sure. Not that I think he’s spectacular or anything (he’s a bit slow footed) but just that he’s very mechanically sound I knew it would translate at the nba level. I thought he was a safe pick for us and he fits in with this roster.
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Post#849 » by Tor_Raps » Today 7:18 am

Damn... Queen looks like he'd be perfect on our team as a backup. Kid looks like a vet out there and is younger than CMB too. I love CMB too
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Post#850 » by Yallbecrazy » Today 7:28 am

Tor_Raps wrote:Damn... Queen looks like he'd be perfect on our team as a backup. Kid looks like a vet out there and is younger than CMB too. I love CMB too


He's older than CMB and I'm not sold on him after a couple good games. He gets stocks, but his defense isn't good.
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Post#851 » by tsherkin » Today 7:52 am

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ATLTimekeeper wrote:I honestly don't know why anyone cares how efficient a rookie is. It has absolutely no correlation with whether they will be efficient later on in their career.


to Judge any young player on efficency is the worst way to judge them because no young players are going to be efficient....It takes time to develop that and many of the young players are on bad teams and are given the green light because they are also tanking for lotto balls. Judge them on efficiency a few years in their career.

Siakam was not efficient at all as a young player especially that 3pt % was horrible....Players develop.


Yeah, rookie efficiency isn't a thing. KD and Lebron are ATG scorers and efficiency monsters, and both of them stank ass as rookies from that angle. Context is important, adjustment is a real thing. Role, roster support, all of it does require consideration. By year 3 or 4, it becomes more relevant, but as a rookie? It's not the most important thing unless you're a lob threat center in small volume or something similar.
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Post#852 » by LoveMyRaps » Today 7:58 am

Tor_Raps wrote:Damn... Queen looks like he'd be perfect on our team as a backup. Kid looks like a vet out there and is younger than CMB too. I love CMB too


Putting numbers up on one of the worst teams in the league isn’t an accomplishment

But you’re right, Queen does look good.

Nonetheless I’m happy with CMB
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Post#853 » by Thaddy » Today 7:58 am

Queen looks like he'll be a weak defender. I'd still take CMB over him.
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Post#854 » by Clutch0z24 » Today 12:04 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:Damn... Queen looks like he'd be perfect on our team as a backup. Kid looks like a vet out there and is younger than CMB too. I love CMB too


Yeah thats why i am wishing we went with Queen because of how good he would fit and he would fill a big need for us atm.....He would be the perfect backup C for us and have an impact, CMB is too small to play C and we have Barnes ahead of him in the rotation and plays the same position....

I think Both Queen/Coward would be better fits with our current roster construction...If we had Coward you would be looking to trade Dick/Ochai or Walter for a big man....

I don't really like how Barnes/CMB can't really play on the floor together due to size issues and how bad we get beat up on the glass by bigger teams with them on the floor together...

In terms of upside i see Queen being a Sengun level of player and CMB being a utility guy like a Alex Caruso type....Both have impact but the upside for Queen is higher imo.

And ik this board loves Defensive minded players and anyone who is not an elite defender the board hates...But Queens Defense is not as bad as people say here....Hes passable...But his offensive upside is elite thats the difference....It would be like the board wanting Tony Allen > DeMar DeRozan just for the defense alone.
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Re: Collin Murray-Boyles Thread 

Post#855 » by Clutch0z24 » Today 12:18 pm

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Tor_Raps wrote:Damn... Queen looks like he'd be perfect on our team as a backup. Kid looks like a vet out there and is younger than CMB too. I love CMB too


Putting numbers up on one of the worst teams in the league isn’t an accomplishment

But you’re right, Queen does look good.

Nonetheless I’m happy with CMB


You can say that about many rookies before Queen as well about putting up numbers on bad teams... Every high draft pick gets drafted into a pretty bad situation and teams that are bound to be bad for a little bit....Can't really take away from a player that is performing at a high level in an NBA game as a rookie because they are on bad teams....Doesn't make what he is doing on the court invalid because the player is still going up against elite competition night in and night out and having an impact with his play....

It would be like saying Anthony Davis was a bad player because he was on some bad Pelicans teams, Or Kyrie Irving was a bad player before LeBron came in because he was on a bad Cavs team....Kind of a bad take.
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Post#856 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Today 2:11 pm

Hey, why the Queen stuff - who cares. There most likely will be players drafted after him who look good or like they shoulda been the guy. Put that in the Bobby threads. And it’s not really fair to judge against a field like that anyway.


Cudos to Queen though, feats and Coward and Tre Johnson. CMB’s a raptor - he’s “competing” with our 3/4’s to claim his spot - what other 2025 draftees do is irrelevant unless they play here.
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Post#857 » by Thaddy » Today 2:40 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:Hey, why the Queen stuff - who cares. There most likely will be players drafted after him who look good or like they shoulda been the guy. Put that in the Bobby threads. And it’s not really fair to judge against a field like that anyway.


Cudos to Queen though, feats and Coward and Tre Johnson. CMB’s a raptor - he’s “competing” with our 3/4’s to claim his spot - what other 2025 draftees do is irrelevant unless they play here.

I think putting him the GLeague for a few weeks would be a good idea. His handle is underrated and I want him getting 3pt shot reps.
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Post#858 » by ArthurVandelay » Today 3:36 pm

Airmiess wrote:Every time I read a headline about this kid its that he will be out.
I really hope it doesn't become a thing to expect, regarding the injuries.


It’s a concern. But like every young player he has to mature and develop physically. Part of that is time and the other is putting in the work.

When his body gets stronger and ready to handle the grind of an nba season, he’s going to be a good contributor at minimum.

I don’t think he’ll be a star but happy to be proven wrong.
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Post#859 » by tecumseh18 » Today 4:11 pm

Never wanted Queen, at all. Coward looked intriguing but there were some red flags to his value as a high-upside prospect. Neither one were ever gonna go top 10.

CMB I wasn't excited about at the draft, but I am now. He's got that Kawhi-lite vibe to his game. It's impressive, and can actually help a team win.
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Post#860 » by anotherhomer » Today 4:54 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:Never wanted Queen, at all. Coward looked intriguing but there were some red flags to his value as a high-upside prospect. Neither one were ever gonna go top 10.

CMB I wasn't excited about at the draft, but I am now. He's got that Kawhi-lite vibe to his game. It's impressive, and can actually help a team win.


Coward is a good player but i think what Raps really need is a strong on-the ball defender to guard quicker speedy players but can also guard one-size up, while being able to shoot 3s

the only one who can do that is Shead currently, and they hoping JaKobe, and Ochai can offer that

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