Trade Talk (Part 18): Early Season Panic Edition

[FrenchMinnyFan]

The only reason I would trade Julius Randle is because he gets us the best return outside of Edwards. The player I would be looking to trade most right now is Gobert, and it has nothing to do with how he's playing as much as what he's paid. There was another thread about predictions and I stated that we will see multiple big trades that reshape the roster after struggling. This team has no general, it often feels like it has no plan. Mike Conley Jr of 5 to 10 years ago even completely changes what we have. But that's not who he is anymore and we don't have anyone like it on the roster. I go back to trading anybody not named Edwards or McDaniels (it would take a lot for me to move Jaden).

And it's time for a new coach...

I tend to agree. Having a floor general is crucial for this low IQ team at times. But this can be also fixed with better coaching. Last game, with Mike handling the ball and Clark in defense in the last 2 minutes would have avoid us the stupid turnovers, FT miss...i can understand Finch problem. ANT and Julius are our best players (+ Jaden) and are the 2 stars in the team. Not let them play the hero ball will probably create him problems. Keeping your job for longer is important. It's a short terms view as at the end, i'm convinced Finch will get fired one day or another... and i'm also convinced that ANT and Julius are not the guy we need at clutch time. A Fox will be ideal.

[Klomp]

We will have to monitor how things progress between now and late January. If we're still hanging in and around the play-in, I would at least look around for options to replenish the war chest a bit. I keep thinking a team like Miami would love to add a guy like Randle and "go for it" this year. This is a rare opening for East teams to make a push. Not many have the ability to make a push plus have the means to send out decent pieces. The Heat have a group of talented youngsters Ware, Jovic and Jaquez plus a few filler contracts that could make a trade happen.

[Klomp]

I guarantee I will get pushback on this, but I would be intrigued to see Domantas Sabonis here in Finch's system

[shrink]

Bones’ deal is guaranteed on January 11. It might have minimal trade value to a team that wants to waive a vet min guy, without taking the tiny cap hit.

We would have 1st apron restrictions that we can’t take back more salary than we send out. If you want to look at potential candidates, you can sort them on salary below by clicking twice on the 2025-26 column.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

[shrink]

I guarantee I will get pushback on this, but I would be intrigued to see Domantas Sabonis here in Finch's system

If we could get a great pick-and-roll PG, then it would be fun to see us spam them with Rudy and Sabonis rolling to the basket. The pair would be the best rebounding duo in the NBA, Gobert covers Sabonis’ defensive flaws, and Dom can pass a bit. But we’d really really need that PG. it’d be a good time to trade for Sabonis for pennies on the dollar

[Klomp]

Bones’ deal is guaranteed on January 11. It might have minimal trade value to a team that wants to waive a vet min guy, without taking the tiny cap hit.

We would have 1st apron restrictions that we can’t take back more salary than we send out. If you want to look at potential candidates, you can sort them on salary below by clicking twice on the 2025-26 column.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

He is a minimum contract, correct? Isn't there special rules about trading minimums?

[shrink]

Bones’ deal is guaranteed on January 11. It might have minimal trade value to a team that wants to waive a vet min guy, without taking the tiny cap hit.

We would have 1st apron restrictions that we can’t take back more salary than we send out. If you want to look at potential candidates, you can sort them on salary below by clicking twice on the 2025-26 column.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

He is a minimum contract, correct? Isn't there special rules about trading minimums?

Yes, minimums are mostly exempt from salary matching rules. However, the apron rules would still be in effect for us.

[Klomp]

Bones’ deal is guaranteed on January 11. It might have minimal trade value to a team that wants to waive a vet min guy, without taking the tiny cap hit.

We would have 1st apron restrictions that we can’t take back more salary than we send out. If you want to look at potential candidates, you can sort them on salary below by clicking twice on the 2025-26 column.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

He is a minimum contract, correct? Isn't there special rules about trading minimums?

Yes, minimums are mostly exempt from salary matching rules. However, the apron rules would still be in effect for us.

Do aprons use the full minimum amount or the two-year vet amount?

[Klomp]

I am very intrigued by the contract of Jalen Suggs. Everyone points to the fact that he makes as much as Rudy Gobert this year, but the fact that it's a declining contract is critical. By the end of the deal, he'll be making essentially Naz Reid money. That's a bargain.

[minimus]

I am very intrigued by the contract of Jalen Suggs. Everyone points to the fact that he makes as much as Rudy Gobert this year, but the fact that it's a declining contract is critical. By the end of the deal, he'll be making essentially Naz Reid money. That's a bargain.

Add here declining contract of Bitadze and/or declining partially guaranteed Isaac contract and you have a very intriguing trade framework.

[Klomp]

We will have to monitor how things progress between now and late January. If we're still hanging in and around the play-in, I would at least look around for options to replenish the war chest a bit. I keep thinking a team like Miami would love to add a guy like Randle and "go for it" this year. This is a rare opening for East teams to make a push. Not many have the ability to make a push plus have the means to send out decent pieces. The Heat have a group of talented youngsters Ware, Jovic and Jaquez plus a few filler contracts that could make a trade happen.

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[shangrila]

We will have to monitor how things progress between now and late January. If we're still hanging in and around the play-in, I would at least look around for options to replenish the war chest a bit. I keep thinking a team like Miami would love to add a guy like Randle and "go for it" this year. This is a rare opening for East teams to make a push. Not many have the ability to make a push plus have the means to send out decent pieces. The Heat have a group of talented youngsters Ware, Jovic and Jaquez plus a few filler contracts that could make a trade happen.

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I just don't see a framework.

And what incentive do we have for it? Powell is 32, so roughly 2 years older than Randle. He's going to want a fat contract after this season and he overlaps far too much with Ant. Just doesn't make sense.

Maybe at the time of that tweet, sure, but not now.

[shrink]

Do aprons use the full minimum amount or the two-year vet amount?

The two year amount

[winforlose]

We will have to monitor how things progress between now and late January. If we're still hanging in and around the play-in, I would at least look around for options to replenish the war chest a bit. I keep thinking a team like Miami would love to add a guy like Randle and "go for it" this year. This is a rare opening for East teams to make a push. Not many have the ability to make a push plus have the means to send out decent pieces. The Heat have a group of talented youngsters Ware, Jovic and Jaquez plus a few filler contracts that could make a trade happen.

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I just don't see a framework.

And what incentive do we have for it? Powell is 32, so roughly 2 years older than Randle. He's going to want a fat contract after this season and he overlaps far too much with Ant. Just doesn't make sense.

Maybe at the time of that tweet, sure, but not now.

This, plus Powell is a one way player. We need more defense not less. Powell is averaging 2.4 AST and 1.9 TO per game. Given our current situation I would rather have DDV who at least passes and plays defense, not to mention makes hustle plays. Powell is great and if he cost 12-15 I would be very interested, but that is not all likely.

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I think this could be a big deal - but in the summer.

MIN has a payroll of $197.2 for ten players, and they need to pay Jaylen Clark. The luxury threshold next year is $200, and the first apron is $210. If MIN cut enough salary, could they offer Powell the full MLE and try to spend a year below the lux? $15.1 seems like a reasonable number for a great player that will likely decline. Is anyone offering him $25?

The problem is - where do the salary cuts come from? Powell is great, but he doesn’t fill the team’s need for a starting PG and a back up center. We are over stacked with SG-SF’s, but they don’t make much money. Dilly has to be considered, and I suppose you could trade Donte for value if you knew you could replace him with Powell. But it still seems a trade of Randle, Gobert, Naz or Jaden would be necessary?

Regardless, I doubt most people realize how valuable it is, that a player wants to come to Minnesota. We don’t get that here.

[BlacJacMac]

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I think this could be a big deal - but in the summer.

MIN has a payroll of $197.2 for ten players, and they need to pay Jaylen Clark. The luxury threshold next year is $200, and the first apron is $210. If MIN cut enough salary, could they offer Powell the full MLE and try to spend a year below the lux? $15.1 seems like a reasonable number for a great player that will likely decline. Is anyone offering him $25?

The problem is - where do the salary cuts come from? Powell is great, but he doesn’t fill the team’s need for a starting PG and a back up center. We are over stacked with SG-SF’s, but they don’t make much money. Dilly has to be considered, and I suppose you could trade Donte for value if you knew you could replace him with Powell. But it still seems a trade of Randle, Gobert, Naz or Jaden would be necessary?

Regardless, I doubt most people realize how valuable it is, that a player wants to come to Minnesota. We don’t get that here.

Do we know Powell wants to be here?

We know from the tweet that Finch wanted him, but was it reciprocal?

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Do we know Powell wants to be here?

We know from the tweet that Finch wanted him, but was it reciprocal?

That’s a good point, and as I looked closer, Powell is doing even better than I thought. Sure he’s a one-way player, but he’s averaging 25.4 PPG and shooting 46.4% 3P%. Yes, he’ll be 33, but he might find teams willing to offer him $25 so he gets one last big payday.

[Neeva]

Do we know Powell wants to be here?

We know from the tweet that Finch wanted him, but was it reciprocal?

That’s a good point, and as I looked closer, Powell is doing even better than I thought. Sure he’s a one-way player, but he’s averaging 25.4 PPG and shooting 46.4% 3P%. Yes, he’ll be 33, but he might find teams willing to offer him $25 so he gets one last big payday.

He plays for Spoelstra he makes players look better than they really are.

[Norseman79]

Two trades....that's all it will take, and a coaching change

[Wolveswin]

Zaps depth, but gets a dynamic PG in Trae…

To Heat: Randle/DDV

To Hawks: Herro/Dilly/Heat Filler/Heat 1st

To Wolves: Trae/2x Hawks Filler

Gobert/Reid/Beringer
Reid/McDaniels/Hawks Filler
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/TSJ/Hawks Filler
Trae/Conley/Bones