MMyhre wrote:Snake3 wrote:MMyhre wrote:
Per 36 minutes played:
05/06 Kobe Bryant 31.1 pts on 55.9 ts %, 4 ast/2.7 to, 4.7 reb/0.8 oreb, 1.6 stl, 0.3 blk.
25-26 SGA 35.3 pts on 67.5 ts %, 7.1 ast/1.9 to, 5.4 reb/0.6 oreb, 1.7 stl, 0.9 blk.
25-26 Jokic 30.6 pts on 72.9 ts %, 11.4 ast/3.6 to, 13.3 reb/3.4 oreb, 1.6 stl, 0.8 blk.
BPM
1 Jokic 18.2
2 Shai 14
3 Kobe 7.6
WS/48
1 Jokic 41.3 %
2 Shai 39.6 %
3 Kobe 22.4 %
PER
1 Jokic 36.7
2 Shai 34
3 Kobe 28
Even accounting for worse teammates, 05/06 Kobe does not belong in this conversation imo.
I'm not comparing Kobe to Jokic/SGA in terms of stats. I'm comparing the situation of Kobe/Nash to Jokic/SGA in terms of MVP situations and narratives. Especially last year.
And even your comparison of stats, I would say it's better to do relative to the era than to compare them directly like that. Different defenses, spacing, pacing, offense, and rules.
With people more focused on packing the paint with slower big men, a great shooter would have more space to operate on the outside.
Different rules? Is this 1960?
Kobe just didn't perform as well as Jokic or Shai has this season, the difference is way too big to say "it was a different era". Okay, that still didn't stop peak Michael Jordan from being above 60 % ts four times on crazy volume with a game reliant on 2 pointers in an even more clogged era.
I am saying the situation is not the same, as Jokic is way better than Kobe was, who was overhyped that season.
Of course. The rules are different which affect the style of play. Kobe played in different ways where centers can camp in the paint, where handchecking were legal to a certain extent, to zone, to the shot clock not resetting to 14 secs, and etc. Like how some nba players have to adjust to the FIBA rules.
But the style of play affect the efficiency more than rules. There were less spacing back then. There were less complicated sets.
And while MJ was a beast, and was an outlier, there was still a change in how the 80s were played in comparison to the 90s. The rules changed too, but they tried to increase scoring in the 90s due to teams changing their philosophy on defense and due to lack of talent in comparison to the 80s. So it’s wrong to even compare 90s and 80s in a direct comparison too.
And like I said, I’m not comparing to Kobe and Jokic in terms of who is the better player. In comparing Kobe peers and arguments for and against him for mvp in 06 to Jokic in 25 and 26. Who is the better player between Kobe and Jokic is irrelevant.
But we don’t have to use Kobe 06. You can use MJ or Barkley in 90 or something.
