Rumors, Random Thoughts, etc Version 20/20 We all got everything right...

[nzahir]

Again, as a Lakers fan Im sorry for Lebron, but Im all for wait, if a really good deal appears we can take it, but if not. Wait for next season, Reaves caphold is small, sign 3-D roleplayers, resign Reaves, use future picks(in summer we will be able to trade more picks) to get a real upgrade.

As a Lebron fan, its fair to take this approach

But remember that Luka and AR are also in their primes

LA may not get a better #3 than Lebron even in the next 1-2 years

If the Lakers dont do anything big this year and are also to land a really nice player or two with their 3 1sts and fguys liek Knecht/Rui, etc, then I wish Lebron would come back for the mle for another 1-2 years

[HornetJail]

if the Mavs traded the exact Luka package right now:
-AD
-Max Christie
-2029 LAL 1st

what would they get back? What's the best individual player that package could return, plus or minus some filler contracts?

[jayjaysee]

if the Mavs traded the exact Luka package right now:
-AD
-Max Christie
-2029 LAL 1st

what would they get back? What's the best individual player that package could return, plus or minus some filler contracts?

I think most teams would either value AD or the LAL first.. Not many (good) GM’s want to split their value between win now and a future pick. Everyone should value Christie a little though. But think this game would need to be to be a four team trade, where you get 2-3 assets for AD and combine them with the LAL first for that good player.

Realistically, it’s just an earned knock on Nico.

[psman2]

if the Mavs traded the exact Luka package right now:
-AD
-Max Christie
-2029 LAL 1st

what would they get back? What's the best individual player that package could return, plus or minus some filler contracts?

IF a team is selling off their star player then they very likely will not want AD back. So would need a 3rd team to offer assets for AD and then look at that package from there.

I think the mavs should just collect draft picks since I don't really see a star on the market this year worth forgoing that route. Would want a guy 27-28 and under for sure. Trae/Ja/Ball are options but all risky for different reasons but could come at a reasonable outlay. JJJ would be my dark horse pick for a player that might be available for the right package.

Giannis is a long shot and I question if the Mavs should offer their whole load on him and have a barebone Giannis/Flagg roster to build around....can they add enough pieces around them fast enough with limited draft picks after the trade. Could be a big FA player if the can clear a lot of salary so maybe a avenue there.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

if the Mavs traded the exact Luka package right now:
-AD
-Max Christie
-2029 LAL 1st

what would they get back? What's the best individual player that package could return, plus or minus some filler contracts?

KD if he was still on the Suns.

Maybe Curry, Giannis if an owner irrationally loves Max.

KAT. Brown or Lauri probably realistic targets.

The problem with the package the destination team would need to send AD to a third team for more picks to extract most of the value out of the package.

[louc1970]

if the Mavs traded the exact Luka package right now:
-AD
-Max Christie
-2029 LAL 1st

what would they get back? What's the best individual player that package could return, plus or minus some filler contracts?

I would simply target picks. The players coming back need to be expiring

[Texas Chuck]

if the Mavs traded the exact Luka package right now:
-AD
-Max Christie
-2029 LAL 1st

what would they get back? What's the best individual player that package could return, plus or minus some filler contracts?

A worse player than AD with better health. Something they should not be pursuing.

[Texas Chuck]

Everyone should value Christie a little though.

I've been thinking about him a lot. At a glance you see a young wing playing pretty well and think well he's one of the few keepers along with Flagg. But when you look a little closer he only has one more year under contract before a PO, which he is tracking to opt out of. Which means he's gone or a lot more expensive.

And his salary is under $8M, plus he does have that extra year so contenders who tend to be up against aprons could still fit in him and because its not a pure rental, its easier to give up a real asset.

The question is, is he worth a lotto protected 1st? Where Dallas simply pushes some asset value forward? Is there a contending team with a 2nd tier prospect they'd be willing to move to get a wing shooter who can't be hunted defensively?

Or is he just worth a 2nd or two and I'm overthinking it based on his small contract? But I'm a firm believer in bad teams dealing value contracts since they aren't really realizing the value of the cheap salary. And while I know you are more optimistic about next year, I see all the same issues only maybe with Kyrie. Which obviously helps, but not enough.

[SkyHook]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/282926/Jusuf-Nurkic-Expected-To-Generate-Trade-Interest-Due-To-Strong-Play

Sounds great, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[SlimShady83]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/282926/Jusuf-Nurkic-Expected-To-Generate-Trade-Interest-Due-To-Strong-Play

Sounds great, but I'll believe it when I see it.

To the Lakers Gabe/Maxi, wouldn't mind him in our rotation behind Ayton/Hayes

[Devilanche]

Everyone should value Christie a little though.

I've been thinking about him a lot. At a glance you see a young wing playing pretty well and think well he's one of the few keepers along with Flagg. But when you look a little closer he only has one more year under contract before a PO, which he is tracking to opt out of. Which means he's gone or a lot more expensive.

And his salary is under $8M, plus he does have that extra year so contenders who tend to be up against aprons could still fit in him and because its not a pure rental, its easier to give up a real asset.

The question is, is he worth a lotto protected 1st? Where Dallas simply pushes some asset value forward? Is there a contending team with a 2nd tier prospect they'd be willing to move to get a wing shooter who can't be hunted defensively?

Or is he just worth a 2nd or two and I'm overthinking it based on his small contract? But I'm a firm believer in bad teams dealing value contracts since they aren't really realizing the value of the cheap salary. And while I know you are more optimistic about next year, I see all the same issues only maybe with Kyrie. Which obviously helps, but not enough.

Is he what is he is either minimal improvement ?
Can he be a consistent 6th man nominee?
Can he be on the route that Austin reeves is taking ?

That last question is probably not but it’s why most fan base will lean towards keeping someone who at least seems to be a yes to the second question .


Edit - that reeves question is about 3rd best player on the team . Not playing style nor strength / weakness reference .

[Godaddycurse]

Everyone should value Christie a little though.

I've been thinking about him a lot. At a glance you see a young wing playing pretty well and think well he's one of the few keepers along with Flagg. But when you look a little closer he only has one more year under contract before a PO, which he is tracking to opt out of. Which means he's gone or a lot more expensive.

And his salary is under $8M, plus he does have that extra year so contenders who tend to be up against aprons could still fit in him and because its not a pure rental, its easier to give up a real asset.

The question is, is he worth a lotto protected 1st? Where Dallas simply pushes some asset value forward? Is there a contending team with a 2nd tier prospect they'd be willing to move to get a wing shooter who can't be hunted defensively?

Or is he just worth a 2nd or two and I'm overthinking it based on his small contract? But I'm a firm believer in bad teams dealing value contracts since they aren't really realizing the value of the cheap salary. And while I know you are more optimistic about next year, I see all the same issues only maybe with Kyrie. Which obviously helps, but not enough.

Would dallas offer him an extension like they did with PJ? I think he would take it if offered

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Everyone should value Christie a little though.

I've been thinking about him a lot. At a glance you see a young wing playing pretty well and think well he's one of the few keepers along with Flagg. But when you look a little closer he only has one more year under contract before a PO, which he is tracking to opt out of. Which means he's gone or a lot more expensive.

And his salary is under $8M, plus he does have that extra year so contenders who tend to be up against aprons could still fit in him and because its not a pure rental, its easier to give up a real asset.

The question is, is he worth a lotto protected 1st? Where Dallas simply pushes some asset value forward? Is there a contending team with a 2nd tier prospect they'd be willing to move to get a wing shooter who can't be hunted defensively?

Or is he just worth a 2nd or two and I'm overthinking it based on his small contract? But I'm a firm believer in bad teams dealing value contracts since they aren't really realizing the value of the cheap salary. And while I know you are more optimistic about next year, I see all the same issues only maybe with Kyrie. Which obviously helps, but not enough.

As a former max hater. Imo he worth a top 10 protected pick from a playoff team. Partially because of his contract and partially because he 22 and keep getting better.

I would easily give lakers 2031 pick to get him back. Would fit like a glove.

Think problem would be getting non Laker and Mavs fans to understand his trajectory. I rather have max than a prospect like Rob dillingham. I’m high on Rob still too

[Godaddycurse]

Who oes in a JJJ for Pablo trade? Orlando maximizes their D and free wagner up, memphis resets timeline

[Diop]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/282926/Jusuf-Nurkic-Expected-To-Generate-Trade-Interest-Due-To-Strong-Play

Sounds great, but I'll believe it when I see it.

He would be solid playoff depth but I wouldn’t expect a lot in return for a depth piece

[kobe_vs_jordan]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/282926/Jusuf-Nurkic-Expected-To-Generate-Trade-Interest-Due-To-Strong-Play

Sounds great, but I'll believe it when I see it.

He would be solid playoff depth but I wouldn’t expect a lot in return for a depth piece

Seem like a buyout candidate at his salary unless Jazz willing to take future salary

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Does a Lavine for Ja swap make sense for either team?

[YayBasketball]

Does a Lavine for Ja swap make sense for either team?

Not for MEM without some further incentive (1st or Clifford) which Kings probably won't give up.

Think Lavine + for Zion could make some sense, just for a pure get rid of each other's headaches type deal. But again, the + would likely have to be a protected 1st or Clifford due to Lavines mega contract. Although I would consider Ellis plus many 2nds.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Does a Lavine for Ja swap make sense for either team?

Not for MEM without some further incentive (1st or Clifford) which Kings probably won't give up.

Think Lavine + for Zion could make some sense, just for a pure get rid of each other's headaches type deal. But again, the + would likely have to be a protected 1st or Clifford due to Lavines mega contract. Although I would consider Ellis plus many 2nds.

Could see kings going for lavine plus for Zion. He can raise their ceiling. Sabonis a good fit with him.

Lavine plus for Ja doesn’t really change their ceiling. Just gets rid of both team headaches

[YayBasketball]

Does a Lavine for Ja swap make sense for either team?

Not for MEM without some further incentive (1st or Clifford) which Kings probably won't give up.

Think Lavine + for Zion could make some sense, just for a pure get rid of each other's headaches type deal. But again, the + would likely have to be a protected 1st or Clifford due to Lavines mega contract. Although I would consider Ellis plus many 2nds.

Could see kings going for lavine plus for Zion. He can raise their ceiling. Sabonis a good fit with him.

Lavine plus for Ja doesn’t really change their ceiling. Just gets rid of both team headaches

Thanks, I could see it, too. Vivek loves a 'star' name splash, especially at a discounted price. Perry and Dumars have history. What do you think the "plus" would be for Pels to take on the extra year of the 47mil. Lavine contract?

Remember, as flawed as Zion is, he's the star gamble and he basically has a team option on his contract for the next 2 seasons, able to waive it fully unguaranteed. That alone should be really valuable in a Lavine salary dump.