2025 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread

[Wiltside]

Greg is cooking in here, man.

[twix2500]

Units that's been very successful this season that should remain in the rotation

Mitchell - Powell - Larsson - Wiggins- Bam = +34.4 NetRtg

Mitchell - Jaquez - Larsson - Wiggins - Bam = +34.0 NetRtg

Mitchell - Powell - Jaquez - Larsson - Ware = +17.6 NetRtg

Smith - Jaquez - Fontecchio - Jovic - Bam = +57.0 NetRtg

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Low minutes of course (only one with over 40 minutes played on the season is the first 1 at 48 minutes), but I do like the balance of each of those lineups in terms of skillsets offered on the floor. Importantly, all feature strong forward/wing presence.

There only been 5 lineups that played over 40 for the season.

1. Mitchell - Powell - Larsson - Wiggins- Bam lineup ~ has played in 6 games average 8 mins a game, that a lot of mins. This is the lineup that brought the Heat back in the game twice vs the Pistons and has started at times.

2. Mitchell - Jaquez - Larsson - Wiggins - Bam lineup ~ has played in 5 games average 6 mins a game, that is a good amt of mins.

3. Mitchell - Powell - Jaquez - Larsson - Ware lineup ~ has played in 9 games averaging 4.1 mins a game, that not a lot but ok.

4. Smith - Jaquez - Fontecchio - Jovic - Bam lineup ~ has played 6 games averaging
5.5 mins a game. That is good minutes in a game.

The two lineups with the most mins are Wiggins - Powell - Mitchell - Larsson - and Ware ~ at 7 games averaging 12 mins a game. And that was because Bam was injured.

There is enough tape on the four units. Havent even reach 20 games yet.

[greg4012]

Units that's been very successful this season that should remain in the rotation

Mitchell - Powell - Larsson - Wiggins- Bam = +34.4 NetRtg

Mitchell - Jaquez - Larsson - Wiggins - Bam = +34.0 NetRtg

Mitchell - Powell - Jaquez - Larsson - Ware = +17.6 NetRtg

Smith - Jaquez - Fontecchio - Jovic - Bam = +57.0 NetRtg

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Low minutes of course (only one with over 40 minutes played on the season is the first 1 at 48 minutes), but I do like the balance of each of those lineups in terms of skillsets offered on the floor. Importantly, all feature strong forward/wing presence.

There only been 5 lineups that played over 40 for the season.

1. Mitchell - Powell - Larsson - Wiggins- Bam lineup ~ has played in 6 games average 8 mins a game, that a lot of mins. This is the lineup that brought the Heat back in the game twice vs the Pistons and has started at times.

2. Mitchell - Jaquez - Larsson - Wiggins - Bam lineup ~ has played in 5 games average 6 mins a game, that is a good amt of mins.

3. Mitchell - Powell - Jaquez - Larsson - Ware lineup ~ has played in 9 games averaging 4.1 mins a game, that not a lot but ok.

4. Smith - Jaquez - Fontecchio - Jovic - Bam lineup ~ has played 6 games averaging
5.5 mins a game. That is good minutes in a game.

The two lineups with the most mins are Wiggins - Powell - Mitchell - Larsson - and Ware ~ at 7 games averaging 12 mins a game. And that was because Bam was injured.

There is enough tape on the four units. Havent even reach 20 games yet.

Like I said, I like the balance of the units with versatile forward presence in each. For me, 5-man lineups are always gonna be wonkier than smaller subsets bc it has so many variables. So when you get up to 5-man,more games are always most helpful to get the minutes up to find truth across the board. One schematic matchup can warp everything when it can make up like 20% of the minutes played. Esp with Miami having so many guys in and out of lineups so far.

Just my preference when using these tools for takeaways. Still a lot to digest and assess from it now tho. So I appreciate you sharing.

[Enso]

Thank you for the context greg. Its clear Tyler has to be treated like Curry, and no that's not to say he's as talented as him. Rather, would you ever bother to try to play Curry at shooting guard? No, because it would hurt your team.

And ultimately, what do you need offensively from Tyler at point guard that he can't do? I'd argue nothing really. He's not going to be Jason Williams, but how many modern teams even operate with a Jason Williams type at point? We clearly don't, we run Davion Mitchell and the only thing Davion has over Tyler offensively is he's a little better against a press.

The other alternative is you have a Ben Simmons type at point (not that he doesn't have a laundry list of issues, I just mean size wise) who can effectively guard the 2/3, which negates the issues with Tyler. But Davion ain't that, he's too small. And he's not talented enough to justify force feeding him 30+ minutes (Dru Smith either).

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[Enso]

Why is there no game thread? I'm gonna make one

[Enso]

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[DayofMourning]

Will rewatch the end of that 1st quarter a few times.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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What a night from the best shooting big in Heat history. Continues to add to his game every year

[greg4012]

Over the last 3 games, Miami has allowed the most paints in the paint per game of any team in the NBA. Pace plays into that, but prior to this 3 game stretch Miami was hovering around 20th in the league in that stat despite the league-leading pace.

Miami was allowing 51.9 opponent ppg in the paint thru the season before going ultra small. in the past 3 games, Miami is averaging 63 opponent ppg in the paint.

Concerning trend. I see it as a symptom.

[Wiltside]

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What a night from the best shooting big in Heat history. Continues to add to his game every year

I love Bam, 3ammy, but c'mon now. CB in this league would be lights out.

[Wiltside]

Over the last 3 games, Miami has allowed the most paints in the paint per game of any team in the NBA. Pace plays into that, but prior to this 3 game stretch Miami was hovering around 20th in the league in that stat despite the league-leading pace.

Miami was allowing 51.9 opponent ppg in the paint thru the season before going ultra small. in the past 3 games, Miami is averaging 63 opponent ppg in the paint.

Concerning trend. I see it as a symptom.

I wonder what could possibly have changed 3 games ago? Hmmmmmmmm

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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What a night from the best shooting big in Heat history. Continues to add to his game every year

I love Bam, 3ammy, but c'mon now. CB in this league would be lights out.

Bosh best 3 seasons shooting the 3:

34% on 2.8 attempts
37.5% on 3.8 attempts
36.5% on 4.2 attempts

Bam the last 2 seasons:

36% on 2.8 attempts
37.2% on 5.2 attempts

Edrice is taking that crown

[Wiltside]

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What a night from the best shooting big in Heat history. Continues to add to his game every year

I love Bam, 3ammy, but c'mon now. CB in this league would be lights out.

Bosh best 3 seasons shooting the 3:

34% on 2.8 attempts
37.5% on 3.8 attempts
36.5% on 4.2 attempts

Bam the last 2 seasons:

36% on 2.8 attempts
37.2% on 5.2 attempts

Edrice is taking that crown

I give Bam credit for becoming a legit shooter. He's worked so hard to develop that part of his game, we take it for granted now that he's a high level 3pt shooter for a big.

But CB is 100% taking that crown. He was arguably the best big shooter not named Dirk in those seasons you mention above. Put him in today's 3 for all NBA and he'd be doubling those attempts and makes.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Over the last 3 games, Miami has allowed the most paints in the paint per game of any team in the NBA. Pace plays into that, but prior to this 3 game stretch Miami was hovering around 20th in the league in that stat despite the league-leading pace.

Miami was allowing 51.9 opponent ppg in the paint thru the season before going ultra small. in the past 3 games, Miami is averaging 63 opponent ppg in the paint.

Concerning trend. I see it as a symptom.

I wonder what could possibly have changed 3 games ago? Hmmmmmmmm

Tyler at shooting guard and Ware getting less than 25 minutes a game are two things that I don't think are going to be good for the team long term. Unfortunately we might need a couple more wakeup losses before Spo is willing to rock the boat again.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Over the last 3 games, Miami has allowed the most paints in the paint per game of any team in the NBA. Pace plays into that, but prior to this 3 game stretch Miami was hovering around 20th in the league in that stat despite the league-leading pace.

Miami was allowing 51.9 opponent ppg in the paint thru the season before going ultra small. in the past 3 games, Miami is averaging 63 opponent ppg in the paint.

Concerning trend. I see it as a symptom.

I wonder what could possibly have changed 3 games ago? Hmmmmmmmm

Tyler at shooting guard and Ware getting less than 25 minutes a game are two things that I don't think are going to be good for the team long term. Unfortunately we might need a couple more wakeup losses before Spo is willing to rock the boat again.

I think he's experimenting still.

The last few games, he's been stuck on

Bam, wiggins, powell, and Davion as a 4 man unit. And rotating the 5th for stretches. (Not starting, just the rotations)

With tyler, powell is always the 3.
With pelle
And tonight with fontecchio

Not having powell at SF has been pretty visible. It triggered the big run in the Pistons game and tonights game.

I imagine spo will try a different person with that quartet vs the mavs. Im hoping it's wares turn next.

[K N U C K L E S]

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I wonder how sick Jimmy and Bozo The Clown here are seeing how dominant we’ve been to start the season while the Warriors are in purgatory and Steph just got injured again last night. This clown was running victory laps last season after the trade to the warriors while we were still struggling.

Yeah, I wonder how Butler feels seeing the Heat metamorphisize right after he left. He must be pissed that it didn't happen when he was here.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Just to continue on what a couple of others have said about moving powell out of the SF.

This was a harden clip, but it's our defense that created it.

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It starts with the smart double by fontecchio to get it out of hardens hands. He stays between man and rim. Awareness.

Then bam, forces the action into the strongside to where the help is waiting which forces a crosscourt pass. Awareness.

When the ball gets swung to the weakside, look at where powell and wiggins are standing.

Since powell is no longer the sf, he gets to play up on closest man unaware there's another player to worry about. Now wiggins is the weakside low man. His job now is to be aware and cover 2 which he does, but that only happens because the length and athleticism is there to deter. Awareness

Its why there's such a contrast when powell is the sf. He'd normally cover the ball leaving the baseline guy open for a dunk or an open 3. Its hard when your sf lacks the size and athleticism to recover. That's one of the bigger trigger points of the defense.

And almost none of that shows up in individual stats, so no one notices other than just that the shot is missed.

If fontecchio makes a lazy double, if bam steers the wrong way, if wiggins falls asleep... the entire defense falls apart. This is the playing on a string spo is talking about.

[MartyConlonJr]

It's crazy to see that Norman Powell is averaging career highs in pretty much everything - FGM, FGA, FG%, 3PM, 3PT%, FTM, FTA, FT%, eFG, RPG, APG, SPG, PPG. Basically the only thing he is not peaking in is BPG. This is a guy that was on the cusp of an All Star berth last season and would have been in the East.

Then I go and look at Herro's stats in his first 4 games back, as a guy that we are annoyed with for disrupting our flow (still 3-1) and see that he is basically equal or better in basically every counting stat to Norm.

I know defense is a huge thing and I do agree there is some disruption to our team, but man if he hasn't been efficient (high % and low TO) and dynamic offensively.

[He2Fast]

It's crazy to see that Norman Powell is averaging career highs in pretty much everything - FGM, FGA, FG%, 3PM, 3PT%, FTM, FTA, FT%, eFG, RPG, APG, SPG, PPG. Basically the only thing he is not peaking in is BPG. This is a guy that was on the cusp of an All Star berth last season and would have been in the East.

Then I go and look at Herro's stats in his first 4 games back, as a guy that we are annoyed with for disrupting our flow (still 3-1) and see that he is basically equal or better in basically every counting stat to Norm.

I know defense is a huge thing and I do agree there is some disruption to our team, but man if he hasn't been efficient (high % and low TO) and dynamic offensively.

Tyler is an elite shooter. Teams have to respect him, and that matters a great deal for this team. What’s clear is that Norman, Tyler and Davion playing together for any long stretches doesn’t maximize any of them. I think the current starting 5 is mostly about keeping the harmony between the group positive.

But it also seems like Spo will play that group in short bursts, and mix in other more effective lineups throughout the game. I’d need to see the lineups by minutes from last night, but it felt like Tyler was an early pull, and the time spent with Davion, Tyler and Norman on the floor at the same time was minimal.

[greg4012]

Over the last 3 games, Miami has allowed the most paints in the paint per game of any team in the NBA. Pace plays into that, but prior to this 3 game stretch Miami was hovering around 20th in the league in that stat despite the league-leading pace.

Miami was allowing 51.9 opponent ppg in the paint thru the season before going ultra small. in the past 3 games, Miami is averaging 63 opponent ppg in the paint.

Concerning trend. I see it as a symptom.

I wonder what could possibly have changed 3 games ago? Hmmmmmmmm

Tyler at shooting guard and Ware getting less than 25 minutes a game are two things that I don't think are going to be good for the team long term. Unfortunately we might need a couple more wakeup losses before Spo is willing to rock the boat again.

I've come to terms with the idea that Spo probably won't go to the well of shifting the SG extra rotation minutes to PG until one of Davion or Dru miss some time. I do hope that if anyone in the current starting group misses time, Ware is the first man up. It's frustrating getting almost no Bam-Ware minutes.