Haynes: Chris Paul to be released by the Clippers

[CS707]

Lue is a good coach IMO. He does his best work when the roster is a bunch of hungry, lunch pail types. Balmer's infatuation with trying to be the Lakers is what has held the franchise back.

As far as CP3 goes, lol. Kick rocks.

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[og15]

He simply doesn't have the respect of his peers like that. There are people in that lockerroom that have accomplished more than him. Theres people in that lockerroom he went to play second fiddle to in the middle of his prime and they had the pull to get chris off the team back when he wore his welcome out there too.

He didn't read the room at all. He thought it was 2013 and he was still that guy and he carried himself as such.

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Harden said “he was shocked and confused” that they cut Paul

Kawhi said “all I know are my conversations with him and they were always positive”

It doesn’t sound like the “accomplished guys” had a problem.

You really think they'd say anything else publicly?

Actually makes sense. First I doubt CP was calling out Kawhi .

Harden being shocked and confused makes sense because even if guys were not liking his comments, they were not thinking the team was just going to part ways with him abruptly like that.

They weren't thinking there wouldn't be some sort of team meeting where they tell everyone what's going on as opposed to hearing it on socials.

They all know teams have had conflict before, guys don't just get sent home abruptly because of that, it's not normal. So yea, their comments and what happened can coexist.

[jmnvcavs]

Poor Melo and whomever else he cares to randomly mention..lol

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Sad it was reported lue and cp3 weren’t on speaking terms. You have a veteran team of guys past their prime and you still have too big of an ego to play a specific role at 40 years old it’s pathetic and childish. It’s just like past his prime melo refusing to come off the bench.

[KG Leonard]

Atlanta fan in this thread....
the tragic team that wasted 7 years on Trae shooting Steph Curry 3s with barely 30% 3pt is claiming CP3 was never great PG? Because he is 40 years old now? One of the best guards ever is better than the history of all teams like that. Father time has beaten even MJ, Wilt, Kareem and co. LeBron is playing an old roleplayer right now. Lets not rewrite a Superstar history because he got old. He helped Spurs last year playing 82 games at 39 with experience, leadership.

Clippers just suck like always with their GM who replaced Powell with J.Collins/Dunn/Sanders.

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Poor Melo and whomever else he cares to randomly mention..lol

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I don't really understand what he's trying to say.

Legends get old and they aren't very good anymore. Sometimes they want to do more than they are capable of when they are older.

CP had multiple stops and positively contributed. The other guys he's mentioning, DeRozan and AD aren't really vocal guys, what exactly will also happen to them? CP's situation is about being on a team that has underachieved relative to start of season expectations and not being willing to sit there and say nothing as the ship sank.

Is he saying tthat hey will bounce around until they retire or have a CP like situation which also is related to hanging around really long? Well, I mean that's what happens unless you stay with one team and retire with them or find a solid later career stable situation. If CP after being traded to GS at 38 decided to retire after that season, then

Shaq's last season's: Miami, Phoenix, Cleveland, Boston
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I don't get what he means, should teams just keep them even if they are not as effective or don't fit the teams current plans as a means of respect? The players many times don't want to hang around if they can't get to contribute, so it's not even always just about the team.

Melo is projecting and lacks self-awareness to understand why he was basically sidelined by the league after his stint in OKC

[Roscoe Sheed]

Atlanta fan in this thread....
the tragic team that wasted 7 years on Trae shooting Steph Curry 3s with barely 30% 3pt is claiming CP3 was never great PG? Because he is 40 years old now? One of the best guards ever is better than the history of all teams like that. Father time has beaten even MJ, Wilt, Kareem and co. LeBron is playing an old roleplayer right now. Lets not rewrite a Superstar history because he got old. He helped Spurs last year playing 82 games at 39 with experience, leadership.

Clippers just suck like always with their GM who replaced Powell with J.Collins/Dunn/Sanders.

Beal was supposed to fill Powell's role- I know overly optimistic considering his injury history, but I don't think most people expected him to play 6 games, break his hip and miss the rest of the season

[KG Leonard]

Atlanta fan in this thread....
the tragic team that wasted 7 years on Trae shooting Steph Curry 3s with barely 30% 3pt is claiming CP3 was never great PG? Because he is 40 years old now? One of the best guards ever is better than the history of all teams like that. Father time has beaten even MJ, Wilt, Kareem and co. LeBron is playing an old roleplayer right now. Lets not rewrite a Superstar history because he got old. He helped Spurs last year playing 82 games at 39 with experience, leadership.

Clippers just suck like always with their GM who replaced Powell with J.Collins/Dunn/Sanders.

Beal was supposed to fill Powell's role- I know overly optimistic considering his injury history, but I don't most people expected him to play 6 games, break his hip and miss the rest of the season

Beal was such a waste of a move, a bad replacement and couldnt play for a terrible Suns team. He was forgetable then and even before the injury. I seriously forgot him to compare as replacement for Powell....

[og15]

Atlanta fan in this thread....
the tragic team that wasted 7 years on Trae shooting Steph Curry 3s with barely 30% 3pt is claiming CP3 was never great PG? Because he is 40 years old now? One of the best guards ever is better than the history of all teams like that. Father time has beaten even MJ, Wilt, Kareem and co. LeBron is playing an old roleplayer right now. Lets not rewrite a Superstar history because he got old. He helped Spurs last year playing 82 games at 39 with experience, leadership.

Clippers just suck like always with their GM who replaced Powell with J.Collins/Dunn/Sanders.

Beal was supposed to fill Powell's role- I know overly optimistic considering his injury history, but I don't most people expected him to play 6 games, break his hip and miss the rest of the season

The Clippers moves had a best case scenario, moderate case, not so good, and worst case scenario. So far they have gotten the worst, worst case scenario. It was a possibility that some things wouldn't work, but it's been even worse than the projected worst case so far.

That's life, but after getting worst case scenario with Kawhi signing and SGA/PG trade, maybe they were hoping they wouldn't get one this time, but this time the salary and time investments were minimal.

[jcsunsfan]

CP3 is no longer an NBA player. He should have retired at least a year ago. That fact cannot be ignored. He traded a respectful exit for an extra paycheck.

Same with Beal btw. LeBron is close too.

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Poor Melo and whomever else he cares to randomly mention..lol

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Stupid drama.

“Hey front offices keep paying these washed players from the past and listen to everything they say. If not, you are disrespecting their legacy.”

For guys that make the argument that talent equals profit, and that players are the product, they sure as hell feel entitled when the same players aren’t producing the same anymore and expect the same treatment relative to players that actually matter.

[og15]

CP3 is no longer an NBA player. He should have retired at least a year ago. That fact cannot be ignored. He traded a respectful exit for an extra paycheck.

Same with Beal btw. LeBron is close too.

The extra minimum contract paycheck? I think you should think a little more about why he wanted to still play and see why there's an issue because the team is losing.

If he actually just wanted the paycheck, we wouldn't have this thread.

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[og15]

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Posted that earlier, interesting, isn't it

Some of the stuff that is coming out is kinda petty, I think this actually is coming from everyone frustrated with the losing, and reactions are being made out of that state.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/b0a87pFMZC

I get that coaches are trying to have the dominance, but that's not even a bad suggestion, and obviously he can't force them to do anything, but saying, hey, maybe we should adjust since you're getting cooked is not the worst thing in the world.

Also if a guy like Kawhi didn't want to hear it, why would he have listened and done it? So maybe part of the issue is that some of the players felt his suggestions were actually good, but the coaching staff was not interested in any of that. All understandable, JVG is a tough guy, and he's also a smartest guy in the room type, so can imagine clashing even if it's not "intense" or arguing, but more of a stay in your place.

[Haldi]

Chris Paul expected the overpaid vets on the team to try to win instead of showing up just enough to get their paycheck.

Kawhi has been injured like 3 quarters of the games and Beal was playing on low minutes until he fell in the shower and broke a hip. Not sure if this is a shot at Harden but if it is you clearly haven’t seen the games. They would be 0-23 instead of 6-17 without Harden. He’s the only one doing anything good on that team, other than Zubac but I don’t think you meant him as “overpaid veterans”.

Their roster is ass and 40 year old CP wasn’t helping it in any way. You got young guys getting more minutes than CP was even getting that look like they belong more on a summer league team than a NBA team. I get its probably frustrating for him, but he wasn’t helping either and the only one actually trying is a veteran that is getting paid, although paid less than the other veteran that’s played like 6 games lol

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Posted that earlier, interesting, isn't it

Some of the stuff that is coming out is kinda petty, I think this actually is coming from everyone frustrated with the losing, and reactions are being made out of that state.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/b0a87pFMZC

I get that coaches are trying to have the dominance, but that's not even a bad suggestion, and obviously he can't force them to do anything, but saying, hey, maybe we should adjust since you're getting cooked is not the worst thing in the world.

Also if a guy like Kawhi didn't want to hear it, why would he have listened and done it? So maybe part of the issue is that some of the players felt his suggestions were actually good, but the coaching staff was not interested in any of that. All understandable, JVG is a tough guy, and he's also a smartest guy in the room type, so can imagine clashing even if it's not "intense" or arguing, but more of a stay in your place.

but the blame on the clips has already dug in. like in forums, it's the first reply that sets the tone

cp3 doesn't see lue as a coaching elder, he sees ty as a former player and peer. idiot as doc is, he was chris's elder

if you see a former "peer" who is teaching now as essentially your inferior, there will be issues. maybe cp3 does that with everyone.

i don't see cp3 in the right like everyone else. i don't give a cr@p that he's a first balloter. this is cleary(if nothing else) as an "enough is enough" situation, because i agree with perk that orgs don't handle these superstar the way the clips did, and they must have thought long and hard about this, and maybe to the point of saying "screw this. i'm tired. let someone ELSE tell chris he's done"

also if the clips were winning, this would not be a story

and also,,, GSW WAIVED CP3. they hated him already but he prolly didn't mitigate the situation either

[Sofia]

Good thing they cut CP3, they might lost by even more to the Wolves today if he was still on the team.

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Posted that earlier, interesting, isn't it

Some of the stuff that is coming out is kinda petty, I think this actually is coming from everyone frustrated with the losing, and reactions are being made out of that state.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/b0a87pFMZC

I get that coaches are trying to have the dominance, but that's not even a bad suggestion, and obviously he can't force them to do anything, but saying, hey, maybe we should adjust since you're getting cooked is not the worst thing in the world.

Also if a guy like Kawhi didn't want to hear it, why would he have listened and done it? So maybe part of the issue is that some of the players felt his suggestions were actually good, but the coaching staff was not interested in any of that. All understandable, JVG is a tough guy, and he's also a smartest guy in the room type, so can imagine clashing even if it's not "intense" or arguing, but more of a stay in your place.

but the blame on the clips has already dug in. like in forums, it's the first reply that sets the tone

cp3 doesn't see lue as a coaching elder, he sees ty as a former player and peer. idiot as doc is, he was chris's elder

if you see a former "peer" who is teaching now as essentially your inferior, there will be issues. maybe cp3 does that with everyone.

i don't see cp3 in the right like everyone else. i don't give a cr@p that he's a first balloter. this is cleary(if nothing else) as an "enough is enough" situation, because i agree with perk that orgs don't handle these superstar the way the clips did, and they must have thought long and hard about this, and maybe to the point of saying "screw this. i'm tired. let someone ELSE tell chris he's done"

also if the clips were winning, this would not be a story

and also,,, GSW WAIVED CP3. they hated him already but he prolly didn't mitigate the situation either

Here's a better clip of the other situation:

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[Lalouie]

Posted that earlier, interesting, isn't it

Some of the stuff that is coming out is kinda petty, I think this actually is coming from everyone frustrated with the losing, and reactions are being made out of that state.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/b0a87pFMZC

I get that coaches are trying to have the dominance, but that's not even a bad suggestion, and obviously he can't force them to do anything, but saying, hey, maybe we should adjust since you're getting cooked is not the worst thing in the world.

Also if a guy like Kawhi didn't want to hear it, why would he have listened and done it? So maybe part of the issue is that some of the players felt his suggestions were actually good, but the coaching staff was not interested in any of that. All understandable, JVG is a tough guy, and he's also a smartest guy in the room type, so can imagine clashing even if it's not "intense" or arguing, but more of a stay in your place.

but the blame on the clips has already dug in. like in forums, it's the first reply that sets the tone

cp3 doesn't see lue as a coaching elder, he sees ty as a former player and peer. idiot as doc is, he was chris's elder

if you see a former "peer" who is teaching now as essentially your inferior, there will be issues. maybe cp3 does that with everyone.

i don't see cp3 in the right like everyone else. i don't give a cr@p that he's a first balloter. this is cleary(if nothing else) as an "enough is enough" situation, because i agree with perk that orgs don't handle these superstar the way the clips did, and they must have thought long and hard about this, and maybe to the point of saying "screw this. i'm tired. let someone ELSE tell chris he's done"

also if the clips were winning, this would not be a story

and also,,, GSW WAIVED CP3. they hated him already but he prolly didn't mitigate the situation either

Here's a better clip of the other situation:

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yeah man. like i said "rashomon". some in both parties is seeing a different truth

haslem and blake are expressing their own environments with other teams, but they have no idea about the strain of interaction currently with the clips

the clips must have the same communications within their structure like every team in the nba. IF that were not the case no one would want to play for ty, and he would have the rep as an uncompromising hard@ss