Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

[ryan in Maine]

How much do you guys value our current picks given the progress of Walsh, Hugo, and Minott?

Edit
And maybe Scheierman if Minott shakes loose.

[hugepatsfan]

How much do you guys value our current picks given the progress of Walsh, Hugo, and Minott?

Edit
And maybe Scheierman if Minott shakes loose.

Not to play semantics, but not sure it affects how I value them as much as it affects my willingness to trade them. Even beyond the 4 guys you mentioned of Walsh (#38 pick), Hugo (#28 pick), Minott (#45 pick) and Scheierman (#30 pick), we have Pritchard (#26 pick), White (#28 pick), Queta (#39 pick). Not to mentioned Hauser as an undrafted guy. I think this season is illustrating just how important late 1sts/early 2nd rounder can be. Even if you scratch out DWhite as a rare best-case scenario as well as even Pritchard, you're seeing with the rest of them that you can get good playable depth in those draft slots.

At the same time, only so many guys can be in your rotation. Our whole team besides Simons/Tillman/Boucher is signed for next year and only Simons actually plays. And once Tatum comes back that's 30+ minutes added to the perimeter rotation that more than covers Simons' outgoing minutes. Even though Simons is a guard and Tatum a PF you can still line it up in a way that Tatum took his minutes. So while the emergence of those guys has illustrated the value of picks that some might have viewed as not worth a ton, it's also created a roster picture where it just make soooooooooooooo much sense to attach some of them to Simons' deal and get a center if you can.

[Larry_Russell]

Hauser and Garza for Rob Williams

Portland is 4th in 3PA, 11th in 3PM and 29th in 3 pt %. Hence why Portland would trade for Sam.

Boston clears up the log jam at the wing and gets a back up center. Rolls with Queta as starter. Not only does this sure up the back up center spot it opens more minutes for Minott and Hugo with Sam gone.

Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Baylor
Walsh / Minott
Queta / Rob

trade works in espn trade machine

No thanks. Not trading cheap 3-point shooting like Hauser.


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Simons is good as gone honestly. And I honestly believe, especially with taking contract into consideration, Hauser is a more valuable piece than Simons.

[Dogen]

Many have pointed out that LAC wouldn't move Zubac because they're win now. What if MIL blows it up with Giannis and wants out of the Turner deal that many view negatively...

LAC gives: Zubac, filler salary
LAC gets: Turner, BOS picks

MIL gives: Turner
MIL gets: Simons, LAC filler salary

BOS gives: Simons, picks
BOS gets: Zubac

Now LAC get back a very viable replacement with the picks so they maybe are more willing to play ball with us. We could of course just do the deal for Turner and keep our picks, but with his larger salary (especially after the trade kicker) now we'd be in a scenario where we either have to dump Hauser to reset the repeater tax or we have to just keep paying it and that might make the roster not too feasible beyond next year (26-27) because after it all of Queta/Walsh/Minott are due for raises if they keep their play up. As I outlined above, Zubac makes for such a clean long term sustainable team that I think it's worth the extra picks.

I'm not sure why Milwaukee does this, as it leaves them very thin up front, but as you indicate it would be if they are really really blowing it up and would trade Giannis and Turner and go into rebuild mode, then it kinda makes sense.

Simons for Turner straight up works. Both teams stay under the first apron. Milwaukee gets the expiring contract and whatever else in assets from Celtics, plus maybe can resign Simons to a decent deal after the season. Celtics get Turner under contract for a couple years. I'm not crazy about him overall, but he defend the paint and block shots, and is a good three point shooter, so would compliment Queta. I'd prefer Aldama overall to Turner, but this deal is easier, but requires that Bucks are going full tank and want to clear the roster for the new batch.

Question is what else in terms of draft assets woul;d the Celtics need to include? I wouldn't want to give up much. Turner maybe is a "buy low" guy. i'm not sure. Him leaving Pacers seemed to leave a bad impression, and another impression was of him shrinking in the finals spotlight. I'm thinking, "hey, the guy has NBA Finals experience, not such a bad thing at all". They lost to a juggernaut OKC team, and with the Celtics he'd be more of a role/specialist at a similar age and experience as most of the Celtics core. His contract is a bit high, but not too bad for a decent vet center. It's lower than Simons, anyways.

IDK, paying Turner 84M over the next 3 years is probably not in Celtics plans. OTOH, with a healthy Tatum back, it basically turns the Celtics back into a contender as they can run Turner/Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard and have a decent bench. I would expect another move for a vet PG if this were to happen, basically someone to replace Simons but more of a distributor as many of our young guys are not battle tested in the playoffs.

Interesting. I prefer Zubac overall, but Turner on a fire sale is tempting. Having that stretch big back would really come in handy for this offense.

[jmr07019]

Hauser and Garza for Rob Williams

Portland is 4th in 3PA, 11th in 3PM and 29th in 3 pt %. Hence why Portland would trade for Sam.

Boston clears up the log jam at the wing and gets a back up center. Rolls with Queta as starter. Not only does this sure up the back up center spot it opens more minutes for Minott and Hugo with Sam gone.

Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Baylor
Walsh / Minott
Queta / Rob

trade works in espn trade machine

No thanks. Not trading cheap 3-point shooting like Hauser.


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Simons is good as gone honestly. And I honestly believe, especially with taking contract into consideration, Hauser is a more valuable piece than Simons.

Yes I've heard that every week since he was traded here and yall have been wrong every week. We shall see.

Defensive rebounding is a huge issue with this team so I wouldn't mind the Simons Zubac swap. I like the size and defensive potential of White Brown Walsh Tatum Zubac and Pritch Hugo Hauser Minott Queta is a really nice bench. 2 firsts seems a little steep though. 1 1st and a couple seconds would be awesome.

I also wouldn't mind getting a cheap back up center and resigning Simons to a cheaper deal.

[hugepatsfan]

Many have pointed out that LAC wouldn't move Zubac because they're win now. What if MIL blows it up with Giannis and wants out of the Turner deal that many view negatively...

LAC gives: Zubac, filler salary
LAC gets: Turner, BOS picks

MIL gives: Turner
MIL gets: Simons, LAC filler salary

BOS gives: Simons, picks
BOS gets: Zubac

Now LAC get back a very viable replacement with the picks so they maybe are more willing to play ball with us. We could of course just do the deal for Turner and keep our picks, but with his larger salary (especially after the trade kicker) now we'd be in a scenario where we either have to dump Hauser to reset the repeater tax or we have to just keep paying it and that might make the roster not too feasible beyond next year (26-27) because after it all of Queta/Walsh/Minott are due for raises if they keep their play up. As I outlined above, Zubac makes for such a clean long term sustainable team that I think it's worth the extra picks.

I'm not sure why Milwaukee does this, as it leaves them very thin up front, but as you indicate it would be if they are really really blowing it up and would trade Giannis and Turner and go into rebuild mode, then it kinda makes sense.

Simons for Turner straight up works. Both teams stay under the first apron. Milwaukee gets the expiring contract and whatever else in assets from Celtics, plus maybe can resign Simons to a decent deal after the season. Celtics get Turner under contract for a couple years. I'm not crazy about him overall, but he defend the paint and block shots, and is a good three point shooter, so would compliment Queta. I'd prefer Aldama overall to Turner, but this deal is easier, but requires that Bucks are going full tank and want to clear the roster for the new batch.

Question is what else in terms of draft assets woul;d the Celtics need to include? I wouldn't want to give up much. Turner maybe is a "buy low" guy. i'm not sure. Him leaving Pacers seemed to leave a bad impression, and another impression was of him shrinking in the finals spotlight. I'm thinking, "hey, the guy has NBA Finals experience, not such a bad thing at all". They lost to a juggernaut OKC team, and with the Celtics he'd be more of a role/specialist at a similar age and experience as most of the Celtics core. His contract is a bit high, but not too bad for a decent vet center. It's lower than Simons, anyways.

IDK, paying Turner 84M over the next 3 years is probably not in Celtics plans. OTOH, with a healthy Tatum back, it basically turns the Celtics back into a contender as they can run Turner/Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard and have a decent bench. I would expect another move for a vet PG if this were to happen, basically someone to replace Simons but more of a distributor as many of our young guys are not battle tested in the playoffs.

Interesting. I prefer Zubac overall, but Turner on a fire sale is tempting. Having that stretch big back would really come in handy for this offense.

Turner has a 15% trade kicker that complicates things for us. If we acquired him it's impossible to stay under the tax this year while keeping Hauser and you have to really scratch and claw and play vet min/unproven players again next year to stay under even with Hauser gone. And if we don't reset the repeater tax, I'm not sure how long they'd be able to keep the team together. Keeping Hauser and extending Walsh/Minott/Queta when they're deals are up after next season likely pushes you up to the 2nd apron with Zubac and over it with Turner. You're right back in the payroll situation that we had to get out of this offseason.

I feel like with Turner you're kind of all in on this year and next, which obviously includes a year where Tatum is going to have some rust even though it does seem he'll be back. After that, you'd have to bank on guys stepping into probably at least two of the roles that Hauser/Walsh/Queta/Minott have already seized. Between Turner's larger salary and paying repeater taxes vs. regular rates it probably costs you two of those guys. With Zubac, it's a viable long term financial picture which isn't the case with Turner.

[jmr07019]

Hauser and Garza for Rob Williams

Portland is 4th in 3PA, 11th in 3PM and 29th in 3 pt %. Hence why Portland would trade for Sam.

Boston clears up the log jam at the wing and gets a back up center. Rolls with Queta as starter. Not only does this sure up the back up center spot it opens more minutes for Minott and Hugo with Sam gone.

Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Baylor
Walsh / Minott
Queta / Rob

trade works in espn trade machine

No thanks. Not trading cheap 3-point shooting like Hauser.


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Offense is performing well. Defense is middle of the pack and we can't defensive rebound at all. I also see a glut of wing players and a talented youngster (Hugo) who doesn't play a lot. Makes more sense to trade a wing to sure up the center position than a guard whether that's Hauser or a different wing. The log jam at the wing only gets more pronounced when Tatum comes back.

[bfchs123]

How much do you guys value our current picks given the progress of Walsh, Hugo, and Minott?

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And maybe Scheierman if Minott shakes loose.

Not to play semantics, but not sure it affects how I value them as much as it affects my willingness to trade them. Even beyond the 4 guys you mentioned of Walsh (#38 pick), Hugo (#28 pick), Minott (#45 pick) and Scheierman (#30 pick), we have Pritchard (#26 pick), White (#28 pick), Queta (#39 pick). Not to mentioned Hauser as an undrafted guy. I think this season is illustrating just how important late 1sts/early 2nd rounder can be. Even if you scratch out DWhite as a rare best-case scenario as well as even Pritchard, you're seeing with the rest of them that you can get good playable depth in those draft slots.

At the same time, only so many guys can be in your rotation. Our whole team besides Simons/Tillman/Boucher is signed for next year and only Simons actually plays. And once Tatum comes back that's 30+ minutes added to the perimeter rotation that more than covers Simons' outgoing minutes. Even though Simons is a guard and Tatum a PF you can still line it up in a way that Tatum took his minutes. So while the emergence of those guys has illustrated the value of picks that some might have viewed as not worth a ton, it's also created a roster picture where it just make soooooooooooooo much sense to attach some of them to Simons' deal and get a center if you can.

What Brad has done with his first round picks outside of drafting has been far more impactful. First (+swap) for White was obviously a massive home run. The first to get rid of Kemba and land Al was a home run. Traded one for Brogdon and then trading Brogon + a 1st for Jrue was a home run. Way more valuable for a team trying to compete now than having like Scheierman (don't get me wrong you need some guys like this but I think we have enough now with Walsh, Queta, Minott, Hugo all potential future role players).

If a first this year attached to Simons (plus some seconds or maybe even another 1st) gets your Zubac I'm doing that 100 times out of a 100

[Celts17Pride]

Hauser and Garza for Rob Williams

Portland is 4th in 3PA, 11th in 3PM and 29th in 3 pt %. Hence why Portland would trade for Sam.

Boston clears up the log jam at the wing and gets a back up center. Rolls with Queta as starter. Not only does this sure up the back up center spot it opens more minutes for Minott and Hugo with Sam gone.

Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Baylor
Walsh / Minott
Queta / Rob

trade works in espn trade machine

No thanks. Not trading cheap 3-point shooting like Hauser.


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Agree. Personally I'm not interested in moving Hauser, Walsh, Hugo or Minott. If Brad Stevens can get a center upgrade using Simons, Garza, Boucher, Scheierman and picks then fine, otherwise just let it play out and sign Amari Williams to a standard contract later in the year.

I'm not even looking to move Scheierman, it's just that it seems between Hauser, Walsh, Hugo, Minott and Scheierman that someone is going to have to go eventually.

[redslastlaugh]

Not to play semantics, but not sure it affects how I value them as much as it affects my willingness to trade them. Even beyond the 4 guys you mentioned of Walsh (#38 pick), Hugo (#28 pick), Minott (#45 pick) and Scheierman (#30 pick), we have Pritchard (#26 pick), White (#28 pick), Queta (#39 pick). Not to mentioned Hauser as an undrafted guy. I think this season is illustrating just how important late 1sts/early 2nd rounder can be. Even if you scratch out DWhite as a rare best-case scenario as well as even Pritchard, you're seeing with the rest of them that you can get good playable depth in those draft slots.

At the same time, only so many guys can be in your rotation. Our whole team besides Simons/Tillman/Boucher is signed for next year and only Simons actually plays. And once Tatum comes back that's 30+ minutes added to the perimeter rotation that more than covers Simons' outgoing minutes. Even though Simons is a guard and Tatum a PF you can still line it up in a way that Tatum took his minutes. So while the emergence of those guys has illustrated the value of picks that some might have viewed as not worth a ton, it's also created a roster picture where it just make soooooooooooooo much sense to attach some of them to Simons' deal and get a center if you can.

What Brad has done with his first round picks outside of drafting has been far more impactful. First (+swap) for White was obviously a massive home run. The first to get rid of Kemba and land Al was a home run. Traded one for Brogdon and then trading Brogon + a 1st for Jrue was a home run. Way more valuable for a team trying to compete now than having like Scheierman (don't get me wrong you need some guys like this but I think we have enough now with Walsh, Queta, Minott, Hugo all potential future role players).

If a first this year attached to Simons (plus some seconds or maybe even another 1st) gets your Zubac I'm doing that 100 times out of a 100

Other teams could value our few future picks, or they could value the productive players we already drafted and who are on cheap contracts now. If we can come to a deal for Zubac is Walsh, Minott or Scheierman going to be going out along with Simons and picks? I think Hugo with the most youth and cost control would be off the table... but maybe he wouldn't be if Brad is determined to land Zubac

Brad has traded a ton of first round picks for good vets but there was a cost too. Our 2nd apron issues were largely from trading low salary draft picks for high salary vets and some of the individual picks we traded away, we could've drafted a stud and had him on a good contract his entire 20s not 2 yrs like Jrue and KP. I love Al Horford and it was the correct move to acquire him (2 Finals trips, 1 ring) but the pick we traded for him drafted Alperen Sengun and Jalen Johnson/Trey Murphy were 2 of the next 4 picks...

[Celts17Pride]

I personally think Brad Stevens "might" move the 2027 1st round pick but that's it. Brad is not moving the 2026 first round pick in my opinion. Just because the Clippers want two first round picks for Zubac, doesn't mean they will get them. I'm guessing a 1st and a 2nd.

In my opinion, people need to understand that with this new CBA with all the aprons, teams won't be tossing around first round picks around like candy anymore.

[Curmudgeon]

I have zero interest in Turner. He's not a winning player. He was virtually unplayable for Indiana last year in the finals and it's not surprising that they were willing to let him walk. A few years ago in the world championships he played with Tatum and brown and the chemistry wasn't particularly good. He's another one of those empty stats players as far as I'm concerned.

[Celts17Pride]

I have zero interest in Turner. He's not a winning player. He was virtually unplayable for Indiana last year in the finals and it's not surprising that they were willing to let him walk. A few years ago in the world championships he played with Tatum and brown and the chemistry wasn't particularly good. He's another one of those empty stats players as far as I'm concerned.

add that to the fact he makes $25+ million per year. All that cash for 12 ppg and 6 rpg. No thank you.

[brackdan70]

How much do you guys value our current picks given the progress of Walsh, Hugo, and Minott?

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And maybe Scheierman if Minott shakes loose.

Walsh, Minott, and Hugo are arguably lotto picks in a redraft of their perspective draft classes on team friendly deals.
2026 is a really good draft. 2027 and 28 are not. 30 and beyond are harder to say.
I’d rank them as
2026 1st
Walsh
Hugo
Minott
2027
2028 ( SAS owns Swap rights)
I’d rank our 2026 2nd that is best of NOP et al above 2027 first.

[Dogen]

Many have pointed out that LAC wouldn't move Zubac because they're win now. What if MIL blows it up with Giannis and wants out of the Turner deal that many view negatively...

LAC gives: Zubac, filler salary
LAC gets: Turner, BOS picks

MIL gives: Turner
MIL gets: Simons, LAC filler salary

BOS gives: Simons, picks
BOS gets: Zubac

Now LAC get back a very viable replacement with the picks so they maybe are more willing to play ball with us. We could of course just do the deal for Turner and keep our picks, but with his larger salary (especially after the trade kicker) now we'd be in a scenario where we either have to dump Hauser to reset the repeater tax or we have to just keep paying it and that might make the roster not too feasible beyond next year (26-27) because after it all of Queta/Walsh/Minott are due for raises if they keep their play up. As I outlined above, Zubac makes for such a clean long term sustainable team that I think it's worth the extra picks.

I'm not sure why Milwaukee does this, as it leaves them very thin up front, but as you indicate it would be if they are really really blowing it up and would trade Giannis and Turner and go into rebuild mode, then it kinda makes sense.

Simons for Turner straight up works. Both teams stay under the first apron. Milwaukee gets the expiring contract and whatever else in assets from Celtics, plus maybe can resign Simons to a decent deal after the season. Celtics get Turner under contract for a couple years. I'm not crazy about him overall, but he defend the paint and block shots, and is a good three point shooter, so would compliment Queta. I'd prefer Aldama overall to Turner, but this deal is easier, but requires that Bucks are going full tank and want to clear the roster for the new batch.

Question is what else in terms of draft assets woul;d the Celtics need to include? I wouldn't want to give up much. Turner maybe is a "buy low" guy. i'm not sure. Him leaving Pacers seemed to leave a bad impression, and another impression was of him shrinking in the finals spotlight. I'm thinking, "hey, the guy has NBA Finals experience, not such a bad thing at all". They lost to a juggernaut OKC team, and with the Celtics he'd be more of a role/specialist at a similar age and experience as most of the Celtics core. His contract is a bit high, but not too bad for a decent vet center. It's lower than Simons, anyways.

IDK, paying Turner 84M over the next 3 years is probably not in Celtics plans. OTOH, with a healthy Tatum back, it basically turns the Celtics back into a contender as they can run Turner/Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard and have a decent bench. I would expect another move for a vet PG if this were to happen, basically someone to replace Simons but more of a distributor as many of our young guys are not battle tested in the playoffs.

Interesting. I prefer Zubac overall, but Turner on a fire sale is tempting. Having that stretch big back would really come in handy for this offense.

Turner has a 15% trade kicker that complicates things for us. If we acquired him it's impossible to stay under the tax this year while keeping Hauser and you have to really scratch and claw and play vet min/unproven players again next year to stay under even with Hauser gone. And if we don't reset the repeater tax, I'm not sure how long they'd be able to keep the team together. Keeping Hauser and extending Walsh/Minott/Queta when they're deals are up after next season likely pushes you up to the 2nd apron with Zubac and over it with Turner. You're right back in the payroll situation that we had to get out of this offseason.

I feel like with Turner you're kind of all in on this year and next, which obviously includes a year where Tatum is going to have some rust even though it does seem he'll be back. After that, you'd have to bank on guys stepping into probably at least two of the roles that Hauser/Walsh/Queta/Minott have already seized. Between Turner's larger salary and paying repeater taxes vs. regular rates it probably costs you two of those guys. With Zubac, it's a viable long term financial picture which isn't the case with Turner.

Turner has a 15% trade kicker because... of course he does. He must have been thinking, "What if Giannis wants out and they blow up the team and move me right back out to who know's where?" Makes complete sense, although he'd probably love to be a Celtic if he could right now. I didn't know about that kicker part and it didn't show up in the checker.

I agree with the rest, hugepatsfan. It makes the window smaller and depends too much on Tatum coming back into true JT form too quickly. And I do prefer Zubac for rebounding and overall size and defense. He doesn't shoot long ball like Turner, but that's not the team's biggest need right now.

[redslastlaugh]

Simons is good as gone honestly. And I honestly believe, especially with taking contract into consideration, Hauser is a more valuable piece than Simons.

Yes I've heard that every week since he was traded here and yall have been wrong every week. We shall see.

Defensive rebounding is a huge issue with this team so I wouldn't mind the Simons Zubac swap. I like the size and defensive potential of White Brown Walsh Tatum Zubac and Pritch Hugo Hauser Minott Queta is a really nice bench. 2 firsts seems a little steep though. 1 1st and a couple seconds would be awesome.

Keep in mind, players signed this summer as free agents, don't become trade eligible until Dec 15... In the case of Zubac rumors, Clippers have to resolve Chris Paul situation, will probably trade him away somehow, perhaps this will be within a Zubac trade framework. Chris Paul can't be traded until December 15. I think we have a week atleast still to wait for any trades.

[Celts17Pride]

Next week just trade Luka Garza and two 2nd round picks to Brooklyn for Day'Ron Sharpe.

[djFan71]

Next week just trade Luka Garza and two 2nd round picks to Brooklyn for Day'Ron Sharpe.

Extend that to add Simons and Boucher and Z Williams and Cam back as well as Sharpe, and you duck the tax as well. Not sure BKN cares about either of them. Cam is hurt and out at least a few more weeks, so tough to get any value by the deadline. Maybe he plays in Jan and shows everyone he can still chuck with best of them?

[hugepatsfan]

No thanks. Not trading cheap 3-point shooting like Hauser.


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Simons is good as gone honestly. And I honestly believe, especially with taking contract into consideration, Hauser is a more valuable piece than Simons.

Yes I've heard that every week since he was traded here and yall have been wrong every week. We shall see.

Defensive rebounding is a huge issue with this team so I wouldn't mind the Simons Zubac swap. I like the size and defensive potential of White Brown Walsh Tatum Zubac and Pritch Hugo Hauser Minott Queta is a really nice bench. 2 firsts seems a little steep though. 1 1st and a couple seconds would be awesome.

I also wouldn't mind getting a cheap back up center and resigning Simons to a cheaper deal.

Saying Simons is going to be traded isn't something I think you should judge as right or wrong on a weekly basis. That's just not how NBA trades work. You get the occasional random move but pretty much all NBA trades happen either during the draft, the first few days/week of free agency and then at or around the in-season deadline. Once Simons wasn't immediately flipped, the odds were always pretty heavy he'd be here through the deadline even amidst odds being pretty high that he'd be traded still.

[Cricket23]

It wouldn't be a shock if Jarrett Allen becomes available