tmorgan wrote:JMAC3 wrote:We have to go back 2 whole years to find people who were pushing Dalton Knecht as a legit top 5-7 pick option. Why? because he was never going to be a star but he was day 1 NBA ready since he was so productive in college and already so developed skill wise. It didn't matter he went to Juco and then a weak Div1 school- because he was good for 1 year at Tennessee. Sound familiar to anyone in this draft?
I mean the situation is basically the same career arc for a guy that is going to be an NBA Journeyman if he is lucky.
Yeah, ok. Because Yaxel is just like Knecht, after all. He’s clearly just a shooter.
This is such poor analysis I don’t even know where to begin, so I’ll keep it short with just one point. Saying all older guys/juco guys are going to turn out the same is no less stupid than saying all one-and-dones are going to turn out the same.
Also, since you persist with only negatives:
Mutombo. Josh Howard. Cam Johnson. Buddy Hield. Taj Gibson. — older or only a few months younger
Derrick White. Tayshaun Prince. Taurean Prince. Battier. Siakam. Brogdon. — 23 as rookies, so about a year younger.
Mutombo was 40 years ago lol.... and taking Taj Gibson 26th, Josh Howard 29th, Brogdon 36th, Tayshaun 23rd, Siakam 27th, Derick White 29th are very different than taking Yaxel top 10. Of course if you draft 200 seniors after pick 20 some are going to work out.
This isn't even Yaxel has 0% working out, but the math says the chances are lower. So going against the percentages is one thing, but then to also draft him top 10 seems like doubling down on a bad trend.
Here is what Chat GPT says about drafting each class with a top 20 pick. Seniors (The Red Flag Group)Top-20 Senior Results (last 15 years):
Wesley Johnson
Jimmer Fredette
Frank Kaminsky
Kris Dunn
Obi Toppin
All-Stars: essentially none
Bust rate: highest of any classJuniors (Safe… but Limited Star Upside)All-Star hits (last 15 years):
Paul George
Gordon Hayward
Klay Thompson
Kemba Walker
Damian Lillard
(borderline future: Jalen Williams)
Pattern
Solid starter rate is good
Star rate similar to sophomores
Most teams draft this group for floor, not upside
Sophomores (Underrated Middle Ground)Quietly strong value:
Ja Morant
Domantas Sabonis
Tyrese Haliburton
Pattern
Lower superstar rate than freshmen
Good balance of ceiling + floor
Freshmen (High Risk, Highest Ceiling)Most All-Stars come from this group.
Examples:
Kyrie Irving
Anthony Davis
Jayson Tatum
Zion Williamson
Anthony Edwards
Paolo Banchero
Pattern
Highest superstar probability
Also plenty of busts
True boom-or-bust profile
One More Trend (Important)
The few upperclassmen stars share traits:
Elite shooting or shot creation (Lillard, Klay, McCollum, Steph)
Guard/wing skill
Not dependent on athletic dominance over younger college players
The biggest misses:
Older bigs who dominated college physically
“High-floor” prospects without elite NBA skills