Trade Rumor?? Redd, CV, 1st for TMac+Bonzi

[europa]

Villanueva's value is nowhere near as high as some people here want to believe. He's not a standout player by any means. If you want to trade him for something of value, you'll likely need to include good value along with him because he won't bring it back by himself. So Redd/Villanueva for McGrady is a fair deal.

Luke, I agree with the durability concerns. But I think this is a move that needs to be made if it's legit. I don't like trading a first for cap space but I don't think the Rockets make the deal without it. Even making it Top 10 protected might cause them to balk although that needs to be tried.

Wells isn't washed up. He's slimmed down this season and is playing better ball. He'd be a MAJOR upgrade at the wing for this team. No other SG/SF on this team other than Redd is anywhere near as good as Wells is. If he could play well and the Bucks could keep him after this season the deal would look much better. But letting him walk and watching the Rockets take a potential lottery pick would likely hurt.

[paulpressey25]

You have to get Bonzi in this trade because it's a win now trade....you can't go after McGrady and then also hedge your bets that you want to stockpile first round picks and 23-year old inconsistent guys like CV.

[WRau1]

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No we could not. Unless you think there are 40 or 50 untouchables in the league.

You might be right if you're talking about contract wise, but I doubt you can name 50 ppl that other teams would say no to straight up for Redd.

[BrewersGM]

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No we could not. Unless you think there are 40 or 50 untouchables in the league.

If they contracts are close with a throw in it could be done...

[crkone]

I would do this trade if we could include another SG/SF to get some playing time for Bonzi and TMac, someone like CB, Simmons, Dez Mason . I'm sure Mason would love to be traded again.

[europa]

You have to get Bonzi in this trade because it's a win now trade....you can't go after McGrady and then also hedge your bets that you want to stockpile first round picks and 23-year old inconsistent guys like CV.

Not only that, but like I said Wells would be a huge upgrade for the Bucks at the SG/SF position. Major upgrade.

[BrewersGM]

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Bonzi is a problem and a head case....but check out his recent box scores. When the guy feels like playing, he's a top tier SF. The problem is that he's playing on a bargain contract, and looking for a big score I'm sure. That's why I agree with those hesitant on the future first...but if the thing is top-10 protected, I'm fine with it.

This is a win-now trade as McGrady is 28 with a ton of miles on him and Bonzi is 31.

Yeah, thats how i felt about him when he was in sac town. He never got that contract. Even when he was with the Blazers he was looking like his pay day was coming but never did...

I agree, if the pick is even top 7 protected I would take the deal...

[More Bang For The Bucks]

Not surprised to hear this rumor. I have been saying since July Houston is the best place to send Redd and CV in the same deal. Posted numerous scenarios that work. No way do I give our #1, especially with McGrady hurt again. Get Milwaukee native Carl Landry to back up Yi. And get Luther Head(Illinois) and try to give them Bell too.

[europa]

Wells is better than Villanueva and McGrady is better than Redd. The concern is trading a first for potentially nothing more than cap space. And that's a legitimate concern. But I can't see any other reason to reject this offer if it's legit. I sure would love to get Battier instead of Wells but no way that happens. This is as close to the model I've talked about for a Redd trade as I've seen.

[showtimesam]

Let's please do this trade and make the rest of this season exciting!

Plus if we're not including a top ten pick, it's not hurting hte bucks too badly because CV doesn't have a future here anyways with Yi in the fold and Mcgrady for Redd is a wash, but mcgrady will put some butts in the seats and have the "potential" to regain his form as one of the best players in the game.

[BrewersGM]

Let's please do this trade and make the rest of this season exciting!

I agree, im tired of going to the BC and watching the same depressing team!

[pilprin]

I want no part of the deal if it includes a 1st rounder that isn't lottery protected.

Other than that I would do the deal.

For those who say a garbage contract wouldn't be involved, I would contend Redd has a garbage contract. The second consecutive Bucks SG to get the max without the ability to creat his own shot. Will we learn this time?

[WRau1]

I want no part of the deal if it includes a 1st rounder that isn't lottery protected.

Other than that I would do the deal.

For those who say a garbage contract wouldn't be involved, I would contend Redd has a garbage contract. The second consecutive Bucks SG to get the max without the ability to creat his own shot. Will we learn this time?

Wow. Are you sure you're talking about Redd? Can you give me an example of how he can't create his own shot? Or how his contract is garbage, even though at the time, it was market value.

[Fandom]

I give this trade a

As long as a 1st rounder isn't part of the deal.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

So was the tone of his article that the rockets have this on the table and are considering it, or that the bucks have it on the table and are debating on whether or not to do it?

I guess it was something Vescey brought up on his satellite radio show, not in any article. So I have no idea still.

Vecsey rumors are no more founded than eagle trade ideas, but let's discuss it anyways. Always nice to have something to debate!

Pretty much

I'm certainly ok with Redd/CV for TMac, but I sure don't know about giving away what very well might be a lotto pick. If we're giving up draft picks, it means we aren't rebuilding, but are trying to win right now. I don't think we can win right now with Yi/Bogut in the playoffs.

I would imagine we wouldn't be giving up what might be a lotto pick in the upcoming draft. Given all the circumstances, I'd say that 1st round pick would be lottery protected. Top 10 protected at least, but likely completely lottery protected. The idea would be to make this trade, make the playoffs, and convey to Houston our non-lottery 1st round pick for 2008.

[WRau1]

I would like to hear some Rocket fans opinions about this...

[paulpressey25]

Sam Smith always is churning trade ideas....in his Monday column he was talking about how the Bulls should offer Hinrich and Nocioni to Houston for T-Mac.....

Please Sam....start up a Bulls-Bucks rumor....

Sam also rumor-mongered that the Grizzlies still would trade Pau.....or at least were listening to rumors....

[pilprin]

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Wow. Are you sure you're talking about Redd? Can you give me an example of how he can't create his own shot? Or how his contract is garbage, even though at the time, it was market value.

Maybe I am using improper semantics. Redd does not have the ability to take the ball at the end of a game and finish it. Look at James, TMAC, Kobe, and others who you can give the ball at half court and they can finish.

Was it market value? Maybe..I just don't believe a SG without the ability to take over a game should EVER get max $. Disagree with me if you want, but tell me a championship team that was ever built around a SG without that ability.

[More Bang For The Bucks]

Redd, CV, and Bell for McGrady, Head, and Landry


makes Houston better and gives us a high lotto pick. McGrady would probably hate it but he is a great guy and could basically take the rest of the year off to get healthy and preserve his career.

[WEFFPIM]

Hey, look, over there! Is that Nowhere? Yep, that's where we're heading!