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76erinSJ · Post #41 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:47 pm

That injury is a freak injury. It happens out of nowhere. That could happen to you steppin up onto a step. I for one would take Amare over Brand but I would still want Brand here. By your way of thinkink every fat person in the world should have had that injury at some point in thier life. Shaq is overweight has he had that injury? Derrick Coleman? Tractor Traylor? Barkely? Learn about injury's before you try to be a doctor and explain then to others.

SendEm · Post #42 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:52 pm

76erinSJ wrote:That injury is a freak injury. It happens out of nowhere. That could happen to you steppin up onto a step. I for one would take Amare over Brand but I would still want Brand here. By your way of thinkink every fat person in the world should have had that injury at some point in thier life. Shaq is overweight has he had that injury? Derrick Coleman? Tractor Traylor? Barkely? Learn about injury's before you try to be a doctor and explain then to others.

You JUST proved my point you genius. Every player you named games went down the toilet because there bodies broke down damn near overnight and they could no longer produce or stay healthy. Leg injuries and lower back injuries are commonplace for heavy NBA players. Buyer beware with Brand he's like a 28 year old in the body of a 36 year old.

SendEm · Post #43 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:55 pm

Didn't Brand lead the NBA in the number of times he had his **** blocked? Didn't he lead the NBA in that stat EVERY season? I definitely don't want to see how frequently an older slower post injury Brand gets his shot swatted.

76erinSJ · Post #44 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:55 pm

Yes, leg injurys like the Knee and ACL'S. The injury to Brand was a freak injury. Not because of his weight. And Barkleys wasnt because he was overweight. He landed bad. And Coleman and Tractor careers faded not due to injurys but because of bad play genius. And Shaq is old.

Post #45 » by **tk76** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:01 pm

I don't think anyone can know with certainty how Brand will be when he returns from his achilles injury.

He will still be a good player, but he may or may not get back the explosiveness that made him a start the previous 2 seasons.

joey-A · Post #46 » by **joey-A** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:06 pm

Send em..WRONG. Brand got the Injury working out playing Basketball just before the start of camp. And he is NOT Fat, not at all. No he is not a great numbers athlete, more like Carlos Boozer, who also did not have a huge verticle leap, or anything else. But Brand is SMART. He has incredible length. And he did NOT lead the league in getting his shot blocked. His FG % is among the best for anyone during his career. It wouldn't be if his shots were blocked. Also on Injuries, the type that Amare suffered was the same one which HAS ended many NBA careers, or has shortened them in time. Benard King, Webber, ect. And Amare's game IS..solely predicated on Athleticism. He doesn't have a post move at all. If it weren't for Nash, and that fast paced up & down style, Amare would be LUCKY to be a 15-7 player in the league. Yes I like Amare, and wouldn't mind him here. But unlike Brand, who we can just sign. Amare would cost us at LEAST Dalembert-Iggy, and probably either Jason Smith, or our unprotected lottery pick this draft. You wanna give all that up for Amare ?, or would it be prudder to just sign Brand for nothing ?

I think everyone here would vote for the second of those two options send em :-)

Your Brand facts are all figments of your own Imagination. Grow up already!!

SendEm · Post #47 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:14 pm

Brand did lead the league in getting his shot blocked, how do I know this? Because I use to argue just how good he was to a person that didn't like him. One day that person hit me with that stat and I was surprised, That stat came back up again when Brand, Mobley, and Cassely took the Clippers to the playoffs the TNT broadcaster/analysts were taking about it. Brand and Kenny Thomas were the two starters who lead the league with having there shots blocked the most. It will only get worse for Brand if he remains an aggressive post player. Brand is on the decline and his body is breaking down hence the "freak" injury.

howiezbt · Post #48 » by **howiezbt** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:15 pm

I think we break the bank signing Iggy and Josh Smith.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #49 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:22 pm

Brand was probably in the BEST shape of his life when he suffered that injury. It's well documented that a couple years ago he realized he needed to be a quicker PF. He went and lost significant weight in the offseason and had probably his best season of his career that year (2005). He had a career high of like 25 PPG that year. He said he felt a lot lighter out there and his stamina was much imporved from earlier in his career. He is, and will be, a premiere PF for the next 5-7 years assuming he can recover 100% from the injury. He is one of the hardest working players I have seen in this era (for a PF). He rarely takes a play off (unlike most of these young kids we all would die to have). If healthy, Brand would be on my top 5 list of all PF's in the NBA that I would love to have on the Sixers. Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Bosh then Brand. I'd take him over Amare, Gasol and Boozer cause he plays more D than those 3. I classify D. Howard as a C in the league now.

THFM · Post #50 » by **THFM** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:33 pm

He is, and will be, a premiere PF for the next 5-7 years assuming he can recover 100% from the injury

So you think he will be great PF at the age of 36? He has 3-4 years and that's if the injury has NO effect on his body.

Post #51 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:41 pm

I agree with THFM about Brand's expiration date. The guy is, at least WAS, a stud player before the injury but to think he's going to play outstanding ball into his mid to late 30's is asking a touch much.

Also, I'm not so sure that Brand wants out of LA. The guy is a movie producer (see: Rescue Dawn... seriously, SEE IT!). While he could produce movies from Philly, I imagine it's a lot easier to make meetings in LA than it is from Philly.

philly262 · Post #52 » by **philly262** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:42 pm

Yeah I'm thinking Brand has about 3 MAYBE and that's a big maybe at being a 20/10 guy. If he did sign a 5 year 100 million dollar deal with the Sixers, he would be great the first 3 years and would eventually become servicable, like maybe 12/8 guy with pretty good defense, who would sometime explode for big games.

joey-A · Post #53 » by **joey-A** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:45 pm

I would easily agree that Brand will be dominate at least another 5 years. Mostly due to the fact that his game, like Duncan's game is not based on being a superior athlete.
Kinda like Moses Malone as well.
The Achillies injury is not one that has ever been a career ender.
Name a player that suffered one, and drastically went down hill ?
Answer, you can't. Yes I would prefer if Philly did sign Brand, that he agree that after the 3rd season, both parties can opt-out of the deal. Brand, if he thinks Philly is going nowhere. And Philly, if they want to go another direction, or in case Brand does have nagging injuries. If Brand is confident that he will be fine and healthy, he should not mind signing such a contract cause Philly would never use that option IF Brand continues with his 20 + Pts, 10 + rebounds, and steller Defense the next couple of years.

But Brand will easily be dominate for 5 more years.

Post #54 » by **tk76** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:53 pm

[quote="
The Achillies injury is not one that has ever been a career ender.
Name a player that suffered one, and drastically went down hill ?
Answer, you can't. [/quote]

Dominique Wilkins.

A different player and era- so who knows.
I'm sure Brand will be still a good player- but if we pay him 16-20M/yr over a 5 year deal he better be more than just above average- or else we will be weighed down by his contract.

Even without the injury, no way we know at what age he starts to decline. It could be 35 or it could be 31. Some players get one injury and then are injury prone afterwards (Jermain O'Neil). No way to know exactly what we will be getting with Brand- but it might be a risk we will have to take.

SendEm · Post #55 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:55 pm

How can Brand be compared to Duncan IN ANY WAY when Brand doesn't make anyone's game better? Tim Duncan's teams are better just by him being on the roster, he doesn't even have to play.

76erinSJ · Post #56 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:59 pm

If your allowed to compare Iggy to AI, Mcgrady, Melo and Kobe then anyone can compare anybody to anybody else. Stop being a hypocrite.

No excuses for Iggy. He simply just isn't good enough to get in the lane. Tracy Mcgrady, Kobe, Vince, and Carmelo have average alot of points and made major half court dunks in this league. Why can't Iggy? Because he doesn't have that talent, skill, and heart.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #57 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:04 pm

THFM wrote:So you think he will be great PF at the age of 36? He has 3-4 years and that's if the injury has NO effect on his body.

I absolutely think he could maintain that level into his mid 30's. How old was a guy like Karl Malone when he was still an elite PF? I think he played into his 40's and he was clearly still elite into his late 30's. Tim Duncan is already like 32. Do you think he will still be elite level over the next 3-4 years? I do. There's plenty of very good players who were still very good into their mid-30's. Guys who are commited to staying in shape, like Brand, I do not worry about. Brand has always been among the league leaders in MPG for a PF. Close to 40 MPG his entire career. Very few players in general can average that many MPG.

If we sign him to a 5 year deal, that puts him at about 34 near the end of the deal. I see no reason why he wouldn't still be playing at a high level at that age. Not that I'm trying to think this far ahead, but in the last year of his deal, if his production has dropped off, he becomes the ultra-valuable huge expiring contract. So that means you are probably only commited to him for 4 years if you want to dump him in that last year (there will be takers).

SendEm · Post #58 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:11 pm

Why are you comparing Brand to hall of famers then say that he is committed to staying in shape? He was chunky for most of his career, what type of commitment is that? Karl Malone was always physically fit. Yall better start comparing Brand to Chris Webber, and Derrick Coleman. Two players without that hall of fame specialness to there games.

76erinSJ · Post #59 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:15 pm

If you can compare Iggy to Melo and Kobe then I can compare Korver to Bird. Stop telling people what they can and cant do on this board when your doing the same exact thing!

SendEm · Post #60 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:24 pm

You all are using great players to define a lessor player's ABILITIES/CAPABILITIES/POTENTIAL. I on the other hand am doing so in order to define the lessor player's INABILITIES. Huge difference.
Just because Karl Malone did it DOESN'T mean that Elton Brand even has a remote chance at it. Not even a remote chance. Chris Webber and Coleman are the better comparisons.