And then there were 9

[Suns_fan_2007]

Bank's horrible performance last year? Aside from a few uneventful trash minutes, what are you talking about?

[mkot]

No player in the NBA killed his whole team the way Banks did last season if you look at stats. He played even worse when playing the SG spot than the PG spot (PER of 7.0). Banks actually was the worst of any player in the NBA last year receiving similar minutes (-13.3).

With Banks last year, we play half-court whenever he's on the floor even with LB and Shawn on the court with him. He took the ball, pounded it, ran down the shot clock and either turned it over or shot it but usually miss. Pick and roll doesn't work because he can't hit the mid-range and he won't pass it, defense make easy - coming off the screen, just go under it with the second guy. He's not a better decision maker than LB is with the ball - think about LB without the shooting and IQ and you got Banks. At best, he has promise as a combo guard, but can't shoot the ball with consistency. If this doesn't translate to 'horrible' for us, I don't know what does.

Think of it from another perspective. We played him a lot more at the beginning of the season, and less as it wore on (except for a few games where Nash was hurt). Mike gives him minutes, but he's play is really bad. It's so bad that the benefit of bringing him along is far outweighed by the damage he's doing to us on the court. There's a reason why the guy doesn't get PT, he is hurting us on the court. I think last year, Mike had every reason to bench him.

And then off the court, no one is as likable as LB is, but he sure isn't a guy with a good or professional attitude as a professional. According to Gambo and Ash, he's the 'last to arrive,1st to leave' guy for practice/shootarounds. Gambo implied that Mike and the staff had really given up on Bank's empty "I'll do whatever it takes" rhetoric without any real work to back it up. Maybe hes just coming in, doing his job and trying to do what it takes to get PT. I can live with that as long as the guy is contributing and not hurting the team. But if you're struggling to get PT, isn't it on you to work harder, show the coaching staff you're willing to work on your game? Remember Banks initially refused to play for our summer-league team because he doesn't feel like he wants to play. Kerr actually talked him to it.

Yesterday on Gambo and Ash (I think you can still listen to the interview on their KTAR site), Banks insisted he has changed (like arrive first, leave last) and he has improved. There's no question about him ridding himself some of the bad habits he's had before. That's why many people are pulling for him right now. If he can shoot the ball with some consistency, rid himself of pounding the ball too much, and be a team guy. He will get PT he deserved. Again, it takes time to change the coaching staff opinion on him, hopefully, Banks can keep playing the right way so Mike can trust him more.

[Suns_fan_2007]

Some good points, but last year was his first year with the Suns, and even D'Antoni said that he would have learn to adjust to the Suns style of play, so it was no surprise that he wasn't Nash light right away.

D'Antoni is treating him entirely differently than Boris Diaw, who had started the last year out of shape, lazy, and hurting the team as much if not more than Banks. Why isn't Diaw getting the same treatment as Banks, and he's burning up more money than Banks?

What little I saw of Banks, I saw moments of promise, along with a lot of other people here. We never expected him to be Nash 2, and we saw a lot of promise that he seems to continue to show.

D'Antoni might have some valid complaints about the work ethic, but not when he treats Diaw so differently than Banks.

[mkot]

First, Boris was KILLING during the 05-06 post season. The same can't be said about Banks, not even close. He earned his right to screw up, just like Banks now had earned his right to screw up (according to Mike on KTAR). LB earned his the hard way too.

Second, according to various articles, Boris is '1st arrive last leave' for practice, as oppose to Banks' 'last arrive 1st leave' attitude. Again, Banks insisted that he has changed now, he needs to keep it up.

Third, which would you rather have: a $4 million sitting on your bench doing nothing or a $9 million sitting on your bench doing nothing? Right...seriously tho, I think with Boris skills and talents, we are better off giving him chance than giving Banks. We need Boris's playmaking and versatility than we do with Banks.

[Black Jesus 1]

Yesterday on Gambo and Ash (I think you can still listen to the interview on their KTAR site)

http://www.nba.com/media/suns/ktar_banks_080108.mp3

[Frank Lee]

Banks is D'Baloney's constant reminder of a panic move during his failed stint as a GM. The transition from BColonJello to Kerr was anything but smooth, and yet to be proven positive. We should have taken a chance on RexC...he could not have done anyworse than the two rookies who bumped him. I think all along, RSarver wanted Kerr to run the show.

Sorry for the off topic ramble.....

Play Banks and trade Banks. I disagree with those who say we would covet him if on an opposing team. He is not 6'11". And if you look at his gameset...he is nothing like what we need.

[-SDU-]

total BS frank

for the record, go back in time and check peoples posts when we signed banks, we were EXTATIC to get him

we talk about cassell, diener, payton, all these other BS guards, if banks was playing for the wolves again, and they said he was on the block, fact - suns fans would be all over him

[Frank Lee]

banks is perfect for what we need

fact is, if he was playing for a bad team now, and that team had him on the block we would want him, just like the ridnours, cassells etc

he is worth a shot, his defense on the ball is awesome and good for our rivals who have players he can match up on

he needs minutes consistently, if he shoots 0-9 next game, dantoni cant use that as an excuse to stop playing him, he needs consistent minutes to produce consistent play.

he has already shown he can give us something we dearly need

unfortunately i get this feeling he is being showcased for a trade and if we do dump him, it will backfire on us

Thats the BS right there.... of how you would spring wood NOW for marcus. That just isn't true for all here....

and certainly not true for all when we did sign him. In fact, if I remember right, when we had Salmons on the hook, D'cAnt and co were ecstatic about nabbing a BIG PG who could play along side Barbo. (also wanting Sefaloosha for the same reason)

But D'Baloney signed MB...then spun out the positives like he was the final puzzle piece we needed all along...I can't help it if you bobbleheaded with approval...but I sure didn't...especially for that lengthy of a contract for the 'last pg standing'. (who was locked in his bedroom sulking)





oh...and BTW... "Banks is perfect for what we need" ?

that will get you

[mkot]

I remember when we sign Banks, I said I wasn't sold on him because of his skill sets (I called him Marbury-lite). Banks has his skills, Mike has his system, I just don't see them fit well together. Even with him playing better now, improving on his jumper, ridding himself off the bad habits of pounding the ball, I still think the best interest for him and for us is to trade him. He definitely had worked on his jumper, his form is better, but I just don't see him as a threat like LB is for us. He's always a breakdown scorer, a half-court guard that doesn't quite have the handle. He's also not a passer, his court vision is a level lower than what LB has...It'd be nice if he can contribute here and there and get some consistent PT, but I don't see him as a long term solution for us at the 1 or 2.

Don't get me wrong, I pull for the guy. I pull for him to succeed so he can take some minutes away from Nash and Raja, I hope Mike can keep playing him as long as he isn't hurting us on the court, but I still think if the opportunity comes, the Suns should move him for a better piece.

[nashill]

[quote="mkot"He's always a breakdown scorer, a half-court guard that doesn't quite have the handle. He's also not a passer, his court vision is a level lower than what LB has...It'd be nice if he can contribute here and there and get some consistent PT, but I don't see him as a long term solution for us at the 1 or 2.
.[/quote]

So you are more on offense?now i know why you defend dantoni so much.

[mkot]

So you are more on offense?now i know why you defend dantoni so much.

Ask Boston and Minnisota why they want no part of Banks. He has no clue how to run an offense. If you're a PG and you don't know how to run an offense, I'm sorry, but you aren't going to find consistent minute anywhere in the NBA.

[nashill]

Didnt dantoni signed him?for how much? it just shows wether a coach or a GM, dantoni is dumb.

[-SDU-]

frank your a fool

here are some comments about banks before we signed him. mkot seems to have been on the mark with banks, but most of us here thought he would get too much money to play for us, and it would take at least full MLE to get him. dont go blaming dantoni for something most of us thought was a good move

SDU -

he is a defensive scoring guard, i know that is the opposite to nash, but it would be a great changeup sort of guy in the backcourt keeping the defense on their toes

KPCB -

Marcus Banks would be awesome...I been on his bandwagon for a while! Banks would be a great pickup and I would be willing to use the full MLE with him only if we dont get Salmons, if we get Salmos I would prefer to use the MLE on a big Ely would be great. we def better get Lampe he prolly wouldnt get too much $$$.

Tastic -

If we're goin to spend this $5m, then my preferences are:

Whole MLE:

Jefferies - we all know, young, big, multiple positions
Banks - probably outpriced himself, but would be awesome keeping the tempo FAST, and could flourish enough to be Nash's replacement

OUTPRICED HIMSELF!! dont blame dantoni for that contract when it seems common thought that he would get full MLE

SDU - (hahahahah, this sums me up )

mnot sold on banks, but ill quickly become a homer and find all his good points if we sign him

13-32

He'd be the perfect back up for Nash and I mean perfect and I'd glady pay him 24 Mill over 3 or 4 years.

west the best (mod)

banks would be a great pickup for the suns. Fast as hell, and can bring some D to the backcourt

KPCB

If the signing is true 5years/22mill approx that would be awesome...hes locked up for years, I do think he will get around 22-25 mins a game plus more in Blow outs, the fact that he is a proven starter means that Nash can rest more which is the most important thing in a backup PG for us.

Mkot

Now I'm glad that we didn't have to give the contract to Salmons. I like the idea of having a big swing man to backup Nash and to play along side LB, but Banks actually has more upsides than Salmons

[Shzm13]

Didnt dantoni signed him?for how much? it just shows wether a coach or a GM, dantoni is dumb.

[-SDU-]

in hindsight the move looked bad but at the time we were all praising the suns for getting him

so to hate on dantoni for doing something we all thought was good at the time is just stupid

[TASTIC]

I stand by my JJ thoughts...he'd be good at the MLE, not a penny more, not a penny less

[Frank Lee]

in hindsight the move looked bad but at the time we were all praising the suns for getting him

so to hate on dantoni for doing something we all thought was good at the time is just stupid

your logic is indeed twisted to support your animosity towards opposing viewpoints.

A handful of comments, including your own, of support for signing Banks in no way alleviates D'Baloney's poor choice of inking MBanks. It does not eliminate the simple fact that Banks cant even crack the line up of the very coach that signed him.....(?)

I'll bet MikeyD is happy to know you don't blame him.

Keep in mind, oh Chunder-from-DownUnder, you do not speak for this board, nor represent anyone but yourself, and of course , your like minded crony yesmen. You can spew all you want, but this all encompassing possessional spew is vapor before it hits the ground. We, we, we, ....if one could hear you, they'd swear you are french.

I guess no one is to blame for signing Marcus...since the mighty SDU and RealGM board approved... and will that hold true for Grant, Burke, Rose, JuJones, Marks....?

sheesh, you must be first in line when D'Ant, Kerr, and Sarver dish out the positive spin porridge. And there is very little that can be said that will change my mind about how our front office has BUNGLED our chances over the past 3 yrs.

The proof is in the pudding....but your spoon is in the porridge. Eat it up boy.

[dm17415]

Sorry for going slightly off topic but Salmons would've looked good here.

[-SDU-]

your logic is indeed twisted to support your animosity towards opposing viewpoints.

A handful of comments, including your own, of support for signing Banks in no way alleviates D'Baloney's poor choice of inking MBanks. It does not eliminate the simple fact that Banks cant even crack the line up of the very coach that signed him.....(?)

I'll bet MikeyD is happy to know you don't blame him.

Keep in mind, oh Chunder-from-DownUnder, you do not speak for this board, nor represent anyone but yourself, and of course , your like minded crony yesmen. You can spew all you want, but this all encompassing possessional spew is vapor before it hits the ground. We, we, we, ....if one could hear you, they'd swear you are french.

I guess no one is to blame for signing Marcus...since the mighty SDU and RealGM board approved... and will that hold true for Grant, Burke, Rose, JuJones, Marks....?

sheesh, you must be first in line when D'Ant, Kerr, and Sarver dish out the positive spin porridge. And there is very little that can be said that will change my mind about how our front office has BUNGLED our chances over the past 3 yrs.

The proof is in the pudding....but your spoon is in the porridge. Eat it up boy.

WTF are you on about? you make less sense than ever before? if your hungry a$$ wants porridge, eat it, dont write about it


oh mighty know it all frank, please go back in time and tell me where you said you wouldnt sign banks for that money? please do

its all well and good to criticise dantoni now for that decision, but i am struggling to find anyone who didnt think it was a good move at the time

you want to criticise him, thats fine, but dont be such a smart ass as to blame a move on him that seemed great when it happened. i didnt realise you could predict the future 2 years after it happened

its all dantonis fault - by your effed up logic, if dantoni signs lebron next year and we all celebrate then lebron stinks it up for 3 years then its dantonis fault for signing him?

wuteva

your logic is indeed twisted to support your animosity towards opposing viewpoints.

right back at ya

A handful of comments, including your own, of support for signing Banks in no way alleviates D'Baloney's poor choice of inking MBanks. It does not eliminate the simple fact that Banks cant even crack the line up of the very coach that signed him.....(?)

its not a handful, its a sampling of the suns community who all supported dantonis decision to sign him. you look like a real genuis criticising it now, where were you then?

I'll bet MikeyD is happy to know you don't blame him.

i bet hes happier to know you do

Keep in mind, oh Chunder-from-DownUnder, you do not speak for this board, nor represent anyone but yourself, and of course , your like minded crony yesmen. You can spew all you want, but this all encompassing possessional spew is vapor before it hits the ground. We, we, we, ....if one could hear you, they'd swear you are french.

keep in mind, oh frank who likes to ^$%%$, you do not speak for this board, nor represent anyone but yourself, and of course, umm, noone? you can talk your negative BS all you want, but this all encompassing possessional spew is vapor before it hits the ground. BS, BS, BS...... if one could hear you, they'd swear you are a Bulls a$$

I guess no one is to blame for signing Marcus...since the mighty SDU and RealGM board approved... and will that hold true for Grant, Burke, Rose, JuJones, Marks....?

i guess you would have said signing nash was a bad move if it didnt work out? We signed a player for what was deemed by the masses to be a good contract, if it doesnt work out, fine, why does someone other than marcus need to be blamed? i dont get it? dantoni wasnt the only one offering that contract to him, 95% of ALL fans thought the suns made a great move.

sheesh, you must be first in line when D'Ant, Kerr, and Sarver dish out the positive spin porridge. And there is very little that can be said that will change my mind about how our front office has BUNGLED our chances over the past 3 yrs.

i dont like every move that has been made, but you know what, i can understand why they have been made. i dont see why i should criticise dantoni for making a move that 90% of GM's would have made in the same situation

but then again, - i dont have a hate for the world and feel the need to criticise every little step on a long journey.

keep hating frank, just bringing your own world down around you, not mine

The proof is in the pudding....but your spoon is in the porridge. Eat it up boy.

man my TUI's make more sense than this

[-SDU-]

frank "banterstein" lee

we all know it