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Curry, Lee and Crawford?

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Post#21 » by emfive » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:25 am

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The mere idea that Eddy Curry has been improperly fed to date scares me, regardless of the context.



:rofl:

Stop! You are killing me!

Seriously though! What a pantload! The guy earns (and I use that term loosely) millions and cannot dedicate himself to lose some lard and work hard enough to make at least a moderate effort towards earning even a small of that paycheque. Every NBA GM should have a picture of that dude on their desk. It would come in handy during contract negotiations.
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Post#22 » by REM » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:37 am

Darrick Martin wrote:Crawford = AP minus defense

Lee = Humps


And minus ball handling and ability to penetrate
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Post#23 » by N1QUE24 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:03 am

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And minus ball handling and ability to penetrate


uh right, you obviously haven't seen Crawford play.

Try again next time :roll:
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Post#24 » by XTC » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:26 am

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And minus ball handling and ability to penetrate


Crawford has better handles, and a better shot off the dribble than Parker. Don't kid yourself...

He a sick crossover, when he uses it, an Crawford is clutch as hell...
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Post#25 » by Schad » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:32 am

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Crawford has better handles, and a better shot off the dribble than Parker. Don't kid yourself...

He a sick crossover, when he uses it, an Crawford is clutch as hell...


No, he really isn't. Crawford is a volume clutch shooter...the type of guy that wants to take every single shot in the last five minutes. He'll hit some, but miss most. His stats in the final five minutes of close games over the past four seasons:

This year: .306 eFG% (roughly equivalent to what you would expect from a blind guy shooting from halfcourt).

Last year: .446 eFG% (only terrible...one of his better seasons).

'05/'06: .416 eFG% (Derrick Murray-esque).

'04/'05: .479% eFG% (dangerously close to mediocre).
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Post#26 » by disoblige » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:28 am

knicks player value are all time low due to chemistry and coaching. I wouldn't mind taking Lee,Crawford and Curry. Always buy low.
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Post#27 » by fimslim3 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:39 am

If you want Crawful and McCurry, you can have them for free. I'll personally drive them to the airport.
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Post#28 » by JWiLL02 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:00 am

Although I'm usually optimistic about our young guys, especially when in comparison to Knicks players, Humphries is not the equivalent of Lee. Here's a guy who averaged 10/10 for an entire season and is always near the top of the league in FG%. If Isiah offered us Lee for Humphries, BC wouldn't hesitate one second. Unfortunately Isiah isn't THAT dumb, well, I don't think.

That's not to say Hump can't have the same effect on a game as Lee can, but from a consistency standpoint he just isn't there. Lee is a great character guy who you hate to see stuck in NY (I just laugh at most of their players, to be honest) he could be a huge asset on another team as a sixth man/first big off the bench.

The only negative I can even think about Lee is that he didn't deserve that rookie game MVP, considering Paul spoonfed him every basket :lol:
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Post#29 » by REM » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:19 pm

N1QUE24 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



uh right, you obviously haven't seen Crawford play.

Try again next time :roll:


I meant minus the ball handling and ability ot penetrate for Parker :)
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Post#30 » by Bill Bradley » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:34 pm

Crawford is a guy who could really excel with a coach that preaches good shot selection and defense. He played his best under Larry Brown, and primarily as a PG. Isiah basically sticks him at SG and tells him to go out there and chuck, and that's what he does. If he's on, he can win a game almost on his own. If he's not, we lose and lose badly.

I wouldn't want any part of Curry if I were you. Resist the temptation to be fooled by his offensive ability. He is lazy as hell and actually runs away from contact on defense so he won't draw fouls. He's so damn out of shape that he tries to conserve energy by not hustling and not playing defense, and all he cares about is scoring. He is also a ridiculously horrible rebounder for someone his size.

We also have young guys who have talent, but Isiah never plays them. Guys like Balkman and Wilson Chandler, who are probably better than the guys who usually start in front of them. Isiah has recently taken Balkman out of the rotation for no apparent reason, and there is no reason that a promising rookie like Chandler can't get any burn when he's playing behind a horrible player like Quentin Richardson. I would probably target these guys if I were the Raps GM.
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Post#31 » by Kreamy » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:31 pm

If we ever traded for Crawford and Curry, I don't know if I can continue watching/supporting this team. I'd much rather just hang on to our expiring contracts and use the money to address our real weaknesses - toughness, rebounding, interior defense and someone who can get to the rim. The whole thing about buying low is moot in this case cause anything you give up for those two is too much when you factor in their contracts.
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Post#32 » by RockTHECasbah » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:42 pm

Crawford = AP - defense - shooting - leadership
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Post#33 » by Pchu » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:48 pm

Quick thought on Curry:

He is an extreme one dimensional player. He can score in the low post extremely well. But that's it. He can't do anything else. He is a horrible rebounder, horrible defender, horrible passer, horrible FT shooter, horrible shot blocker. If you can pair him with a player who can play defense and rebound (Chandler), then Curry would be ok. But pair him with Zach, it's a disaster. Only Zeke would think this is going to work.
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Re: Curry, Lee and Crawford? 

Post#34 » by deknow » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:59 pm

roy_jones_calderon wrote:I know this was brought up recently in another form, but any time I watch the Knicks, I can't help but brainstorm possible ways to try to gut them of any assets they might have.

Although Curry and Crawford have questionable value and some relatively big contracts, they do have talent. Lee is their own version of Humphries.

I wonder if the Raps were to package something like Rasho, Dixon, Graham, Baston and maybe Kapono (if he wasn't BYC)- if they couldn't convert some of our less used assets into some players that would be part of the rotation. The advantage for the Knicks is that most of these players will be off the books, and they could start to clean house...

Honestly, even though Curry is another bad rebounder, he has size and offensive talent. He would basically be a straight-up for Rasho. He would conceivably come in and start at center, although between himself and Bargs, the center minutes would be occupied.

Crawford could be our sixth man off the bench, offering scoring and the ability to handle the ball a bit as a third lead guard in some situations.

David Lee is probably their most tradeable asset, and would give us a hussle guy that we could try to re-sign this summer along with Delfino. It would be nice to be able to have the offensive fire-power of Bargs and Curry as bigs, but at the same time, imagine being able to run with Bosh/Hump/Lee/Moon/TJ as an athletic defensive unit that could get on the glass.

Anyways, I'm not a cap expert, and I know that there is little interest in guys like Curry and Crawford, especially since they've been marred by their association with the debacle that has occured in New York.

But any time you have a highly distressed situation, where the problems off the court and the dysfunction on it, you have the potential for bargain opportunities. Some players who are not as selfish and as ineffective as they seem in that context can see their value impacted by proxy.


Okay one thing Raptor fans fail to recognize is YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING TO GET SOMETHING!

There is no value there at all! Guys that sit on the end of our bench are not attractive to any NBA TEAMS! NONE OF THEM! Whether its for cap relief or not unless you can justify moving Curry and Crawford immediately, there is no trade there. They have absorbed bad contracts for so long now, its become commonplace. The only way we get Curry or Crawford is if we send them Calderon or Bargs, nothing else is even worth discussing in the eyes of the Knicks brass.

Curry would only compound our rebounding woes and our lack of interior defense. Crawford can't play in a system. David Lee is nice but can't play the 3 so he has no value here.
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Post#35 » by N1QUE24 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:26 pm

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Okay one thing Raptor fans fail to recognize is YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING TO GET SOMETHING!

There is no value there at all! Guys that sit on the end of our bench are not attractive to any NBA TEAMS! NONE OF THEM! Whether its for cap relief or not unless you can justify moving Curry and Crawford immediately, there is no trade there. They have absorbed bad contracts for so long now, its become commonplace. The only way we get Curry or Crawford is if we send them Calderon or Bargs, nothing else is even worth discussing in the eyes of the Knicks brass.

Curry would only compound our rebounding woes and our lack of interior defense. Crawford can't play in a system. David Lee is nice but can't play the 3 so he has no value here.


So umm.. who did the Nets exactly give up for Vince Carter? What about the Nuggets for Iverson?

And these are superstar players too.. so your logic is flawed. If the Knicks were to rebuild, this is the perfect way to unload of Curry's and Crawford's lengthy contracts in return for expirings.

Sit.

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