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Post#61 » by Sacramento_King » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:34 pm

leo6287 wrote:Orlando Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: -1.1 ppg, +2.3 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

Incoming Players

Francisco Garcia 6-7 SG / SF from Louisville
Brad Miller 7-0 C from Purdue
Mike Bibby 6-2 PG from Arizona

Outgoing Players

Keith Bogans 6-4 SG from Kentucky
9.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.9 minutes

Brian Cook 6-9 PF from Illinois
2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.7 minutes

Keyon Dooling 6-3 PG from Missouri
8.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 18.8 minutes

Pat Garrity 6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo 6-2 PG from Florida International
6.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 18.8 minutes

Tony Battie 6-11 PF / C from Texas Tech
No games yet played in 2007/08

2008 Unprotected 1st Round pick
2010 Unprotected 1st Round Pick
2009 2nd Round Pick
2011 2nd Round Pick
Cash = 3 mill

A great rebuilding Packege or even set up Packege for the Furture

Sac thinks pretty hard about It but would do it in the End


A couple picks in the twenties, a couple picks in the fifties, 10 million more over two years to Battie and Cook, no Reddick or Vazquez, no moving KT for two starters and a key reserve. This trade is terrible for the Kings.
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Post#62 » by SportsBoy » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:01 pm

Cavs want Bibby, but wont take Thomas unless Sac-Town takes back a bad contract...HUGHES.

Gooden,Hughes,Newble
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Bibby,Thomas

Cavs will NOT include a 1st.
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Post#63 » by Smills91 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:05 pm

SportsBoy wrote:Cavs want Bibby, but wont take Thomas unless Sac-Town takes back a bad contract...HUGHES.

Gooden,Hughes,Newble
for
Bibby,Thomas

Cavs will NOT include a 1st.


Kings are quite content in keeping Bibby AND Thomas if that's the Cavs offer.

I'd rather have the LARGER contract on the superior player that lasts just 1 year in Bibby, rather than have Hughes' albatross deal on the books for 3 more years.
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Post#64 » by Bac2Basics » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:08 pm

SportsBoy wrote:Cavs want Bibby, but wont take Thomas unless Sac-Town takes back a bad contract...HUGHES.
Gooden,Hughes,Newble
for
Bibby,Thomas
Cavs will NOT include a 1st.


Terrible for Sacramento.

Hughe's contract is worse than Kenny Thomas by far
Gooden is redundent for Sacramento with SAR, Moore & Justin Williams on the roster
Newble's only value is as a small expiring, he has no on court value.

Without a pick he's insulting, with a pick it's still bad.
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Post#65 » by leo6287 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:08 pm

Orlando Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +5.1 ppg, +5.6 rpg, and -2.0 apg.
Incoming Players

Francisco Garcia 6-7 SG / SF from Louisville
13.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.6 apg in 29.1 minutes

Brad Miller 7-0 C from Purdue
14.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 3.4 apg in 35.9 minutes

Mike Bibby 6-2 PG from Arizona
No games yet played in 2007/08

Outgoing Players

Fran Vazquez 0-0 from
No games yet played in 2007/08

J.J. Redick 6-5 SG from Duke
3.6 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.9 minutes

Brian Cook 6-9 PF from Illinois
2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.7 minutes

Keyon Dooling 6-3 PG from Missouri
8.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 18.8 minutes

Pat Garrity 6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo 6-2 PG from Florida International
6.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 18.8 minutes

Tony Battie 6-11 PF / C from Texas Tech
No games yet played in 2007/08


2008 Unprotected 1st Round Pick
2010 Lottery Protected 1st Round Pick
2009 2nd Round Pick
2011 2nd Round Pick

Cash = 3 Mill
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Post#66 » by rpa » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:15 pm

[quote="leo6287"][/quote]

I wouldn't do it. The Kings basically get nothing but crap and late picks back while giving up 2 good trade chips AND 1 good young player. Just like in the other thread take out what bibby's "value" is to most people here (expirings + a 2008 1st) so take out Arroyo, Garrity, Dooling, & the 2008 1st. That leaves the trade as:

Garcia/Miller for Rights to Vasquez, Reddick, Cook, Battie, a 2010 1st (that's protected), and 2 2nds.

My god that is AWFUL.
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Post#67 » by Bac2Basics » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:18 pm

leo6287 wrote:Orlando Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +5.1 ppg, +5.6 rpg, and -2.0 apg.
Incoming Players

Francisco Garcia 6-7 SG / SF from Louisville
13.8 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.6 apg in 29.1 minutes

Brad Miller 7-0 C from Purdue
14.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 3.4 apg in 35.9 minutes

Mike Bibby 6-2 PG from Arizona
No games yet played in 2007/08

Outgoing Players

Fran Vazquez 0-0 from
No games yet played in 2007/08

J.J. Redick 6-5 SG from Duke
3.6 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.9 minutes

Brian Cook 6-9 PF from Illinois
2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.7 minutes

Keyon Dooling 6-3 PG from Missouri
8.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 18.8 minutes

Pat Garrity 6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo 6-2 PG from Florida International
6.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 18.8 minutes

Tony Battie 6-11 PF / C from Texas Tech
No games yet played in 2007/08


2008 Unprotected 1st Round Pick
2010 Lottery Protected 1st Round Pick
2009 2nd Round Pick
2011 2nd Round Pick

Cash = 3 Mill


First, quit with the lazy cut & paste posting

Second, I don't think Petrie is looking to dump most of the Kings more tradeable pieces for roster filler and a couple of future picks. This trade would basically guarantee Orlando a ring but it isn't the right move for Sacramento.
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Post#68 » by DiplomaticMagic » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:34 pm

Magic want Brad Miller and Francisco Garcia.

Sacramento fans, realistically make it happen. If we have anything to offer.
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Post#69 » by Bac2Basics » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:51 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Magic want Brad Miller and Francisco Garcia.

Sacramento fans, realistically make it happen. If we have anything to offer.


I can see the Kings sending Brad to Orlando, but Garcia seems alot less likely.

My guess would be that the deal that many Kings fans would consider would be something along the lines of Miller & SAR for a package primarily of expiring and a future 1st.
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Post#70 » by Bac2Basics » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:48 pm

^^
I could see the Kings possibly adding Q. Douby to the Miller & SAR package depending on the pieces coming back.
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Post#71 » by DiplomaticMagic » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:00 am

I don't know, I've been playing with the trade checker trying to absorb SAR contract with Garcia and Miller. But nothing I think Kings will go for. There's no need to add Douby tho.
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Post#72 » by Smills91 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:02 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:I don't know, I've been playing with the trade checker trying to absorb SAR contract with Garcia and Miller. But nothing I think Kings will go for. There's no need to add Douby tho.


Change SAR to Kenny Thomas and you'll be closer, at least, value-wise.
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Post#73 » by rpa » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:08 am

I don't think the Magic have the pieces to get both Miller & Garcia. They could probably get Miller with expiring contracts and a future 1st (or their 2008 1st with some protection). Then what exactly do they have to add for Garcia? The Kings aren't going to take a 2010 or 2011 1st for Garcia (that's just laughable) and past the expiring contracts for Miller they don't have enough to match for one of the Kings' bad contracts which forces the Kings to take back a Battie or a Cook (who are just as or almost as bad as Kenny Thomas).
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Post#74 » by Bac2Basics » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:09 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:I don't know, I've been playing with the trade checker trying to absorb SAR contract with Garcia and Miller. But nothing I think Kings will go for. There's no need to add Douby tho.


Would the Magic be open to a Miller/KT/Douby package?
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Post#75 » by ecuhus1981 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:10 am

A Garcia-to-ORL deal would almost certainly have to include Hedo. He's pretty valuable, and I think it would be healthy for both sides to consider it.
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Post#76 » by Bac2Basics » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:15 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:A Garcia-to-ORL deal would almost certainly have to include Hedo. He's pretty valuable, and I think it would be healthy for both sides to consider it.


I think the Kings only seek bringing back Hedo if they move 2 of Artest/Salmons/Garcia
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Post#77 » by rpa » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:15 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:A Garcia-to-ORL deal would almost certainly have to include Hedo. He's pretty valuable, and I think it would be healthy for both sides to consider it.


The Kings want Hedo back because ........?


He's not a PF (which is what the Kings need), he'll be 29 years old in just 2 months, his contract cuts into the Kings free agency money in a couple years, AND the Kings already have Salmons at the 3.
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Post#78 » by DiplomaticMagic » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:19 am

Bac2Basics wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Would the Magic be open to a Miller/KT/Douby package?


No, I'm at borderline with taking KT contract including Garcia. We have no need for Douby.

And I'm not sure on dealing Hedo either. He's a good fit on our team. But it seems like Kings fans aren't intrigued by the deal anyway.
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Post#79 » by Bac2Basics » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:19 am

Now that I think about it, Hedo might come into play, but as a guy that would go to a 3rd team, although I'm not sure who.
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Post#80 » by DiplomaticMagic » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:33 am

If it's a 3rd team, involving Bibby/Artest to Miami or Artest to NY..I wouldn't mind David Lee or Udonis Haslem. Unless Kings want either one? But I wouldn't mind switching Miller to one of those two.
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