Bucks-Jazz Postgame Thread 1/14/08

[DH34Phan]

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I'm not giving up on him but the problem is he's a major project and this team didn't need a major project. It needed an immediate impact player with the sixth pick in the draft. In time, Yi may be a good player and possibly a very good player but that isn't helping the Bucks now. And when you consider how worthless Villanueva is most of the time it just puts the Bucks at such a major disadvantage at the PF position. And that's on top of the fact this team doesn't have a SF.

Can you please post without bias one time?

Have you seen all your supposed immediate impact players that were available after Yi? Your lovers Corey Brewer and Acie Law are really tearing up the league! LOL. I guess we could have had Joakim Noah, though.

Another shot at Villanueva is just icing on this post. How is TJ's neck feeling?

[LjJazzman]

Could someone please upload boguts sick dunk on boozer to youtube please.

[th87]

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You mean Yi-Mo.

[th87]

I don't think you could keep going to Bogut because after Bogut hit 20, the Jazz figured out how to take that play away by having Deron double down on him versus one of the forwards like Harping. Unlike the Suns game, here you could easily see the adjustment that Utah made. And it was effective.

The problem was that then Mo and Redd needed to step up and make some smart plays. Instead they chucked....and not just normal chucks....high degree of difficulty chucks....even Simmons got in on it.

Add in a dose of Mo thinking Jazz picks being set on him were kryptonite and it was all over.

Then I'd think the goal would be to figure out new, creative ways to get Bogut the ball in a good position.

It's like football. If they try to take something away, they leave something else open. How is it that hard for this team to figure something like that out?

[trwi7]

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You mean Yi-Mo.

Touche sir. Is this better?

[vlietinho]

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Speaking of Gadz and Ruffin, Gadz won the battle of the guys with no skills today. Ruffin made some bad plays and didn't even show much hustle.

Well that's eeh, something.

[th87]

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Touche sir. Is this better?

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Well, I dunno. She seems more goth than emo, no?

[trwi7]

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Well, I dunno. She seems more goth than emo, no?

Couldn't tell you. I haven't been either of them.

[Sigra]

i want any 1, 2, or 3 who knows how to play the game right, who knows how to win.........i am so sick of stupid basketball.

Our starting 1,2 and 3 are all 2nd round picks who are our 3 most paid player and who:

1. are stupid
2. don't play defense
3. has one talent and that is shooting

Three Amigos

[smauss]

Bottom line in this game was that the Jazz adjusted to stop Bogut; while the Bucks, rather than making an adjustment reverted back to chucking! We were out played and out coached in the second half! Very disheartening!

The focal point and the flow of the game went south when Redd was in it. Honestly, I believe this team's best way to get better and play smart ball is to cut Redd loose. So I guess I've seen the light! I would love to trade him for a tough physical 4 and an athletic 3. BTW, Milsap is a stud! I love his game!

BTW Ilhan, how do I get your 3 Amigos thing!

Also, Press congrats on your promotion here. Do I have to genuflect with every post to you? Aaah Yes, I remember the days when Press was just an average poster like me...........

[europa]

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I can't disagree with you......tonight Deron Williams humiliated him....we could have just as easily gotten the same thing from Beno Udrih on this road trip and saved $51 million.

We've seen the worst of Mo the last two games. Incredibly worthless defense and last night the Mad Chucker returned. We can't expect him to be Nash or Williams - he simply isn't that good - but what I saw the last two games was how vital it is to have a standout PG and how far away the Bucks are from contending because they lack one.

Can you please post without bias one time?

I do. Perhaps if you read what I wrote you'd see I wasn't ripping Yi or the selection. I'll let you try again and see if you can comprehend what I actually said. Good luck.

Have you seen all your supposed immediate impact players that were available after Yi? Your lovers Corey Brewer and Acie Law are really tearing up the league! LOL. I guess we could have had Joakim Noah, though.

Still haven't come to grips with what I actually said, have you?

Another shot at Villanueva is just icing on this post. How is TJ's neck feeling?

Not sure but very classy of you to rip on a player who may have a career-ending injury. Speaks volumes about the type of person you are.

[Sigra]

I'm blaming the guards....you guys are adding a dose of blame to the coaches....I can live with that. Bottom line is Mo and Redd had a chance to keep us in this game but those guys just aren't smart players.....nor athletic enough....

Exactly. We have been changing coaches but guards remain same. It's time to change guards. Our 2 main problems are backcourt defense and organisation of offense. That has been true for years. It's time to change guards because they play backcourt defense and they run offense. Change them please!

[oldmanpirate]

I know i am going to burnt , but I do not think the problem is getting the ball to Bogut - its getting to the FT line.

The most pointed stat is the amount of FT's that we attempted comparied to the Jazz and who attempted them - (Bucks - Centre . Jazz - the guards).
It says that our guards are not driving to the buckets , so Bogut can be taken out of play with a double team because they( the guards) do not drive hard and attract defenders. With this defenders can attack Bogut - close out on the the reverse side shooter knowing that they will not get caught out by the drive .

I think the team is starting to get a good inside game - they have great shooters - so there is the bones of an inside out game , but without the threat of dribble peneration it is too easy to close down.

IMO the key is someone moving to the basket on the dribble on cutting to a pass out of a double team

[Sigra]

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I might be off on the timing off it since I watched the game about 90 minutes behind on TIVO.....all I can recall is that that play was working....they were going with it....then I watched Williams start dropping down fast on Bogut once the ball went to him. And it wasn't working.

Bogut was also doubled at that west cost trip against Clippers, Warriors, Sonics, Blazers. That was first time in his life that he faced constant double team and he didn't know how to deal with that. That was main reason why Bucks stoped using him that much after that.

Now he is again facing double team and he still has problem with that.

THAT IS ALL NORMAL AND EXPECTED. It's all new for him. The only way for him to learn that is to keep going at him in that situations. That is not something that you can learn at practice. You have to learn that in real game situation with real and serious oponent.

[-Jragon-]

What is sad to me is that Scott Williams early in the 4th quarter called for Redd to "take over." That's when he started dribbling and that isn't what we needed. He should have went through Bogut like they were doing when we were getting numerous great shots out of that play. In that that game, the less Redd handled the ball, the more successful we were.

Our best play is when Bogut posted on the left side, the double team came because he was an unstoppable beast that Boozer had no answer for and AB made a skip pass to Yi who turned and passed to a wide open Redd for 3. Redd didn't have to force anything or dribble, just wait for the offense to come to him. Don't get me wrong; I love how Redd can draw fouls seemingly at will when he takes it in... It just should be done closer to the end of the shot clock after we have gone in the post.

Finally, IMO Ruffin and Gadz were physical game changers that played the game the way it should be played. They set athletic, physical screens similar to the screens that the Suns set and that opened up our shooters on offense and led to easy buckets. The also had numerous blocks, alters, and deflections on defense that led to fast breaks for us. They both earned significant playing time in the future.

*edited to add that Ruffin should have never been replaced by Yi in the 4th. Thats when the siv opened up.

[-Jragon-]

I also should add that the Bucks used the lineup that I have been hoping for with mo, bell, redd, yi, and bogut. What ruined it was that Redd had the ball early in the shot clock instead of bogut, bell or mo who should have the ball. Redd should have gotten the ball for open 3 looks (or pump fake drives) closer to the end of the shot clock, like he did for team USA.

On positive note:
*I am very happy that AB has added shooting with 2 hands, driving to the basket (again), and a face up game to his offensive arsenal.

*I was also happy with the way the Bucks kept their arms in the passing and dribbling lanes tonight which led to turnovers. All of our bigs challenged shots and drew offensive fouls wonderfully as well.

*Charlie Bell and Ivey played great all around basketball

[JHSFIVE]

The Jazz made adjustments. They did a great job of denying Bogut the ball in the 4th.

Exactly!

The past 3 games have been a good blueprint on how this team needs to work. They just need to do it better....

Redd, Mo, Yi and both Charlies need to get their Jumpshots going when opposing teams start to focus/collapse on Bogut. Bogut has proven to find them for open shots. They just have to make them.

Also, LK is a young coach and this is going to happen when you have these Vet coaches like Phil and Jerry unless we go and get a Vet coach or stick with/trust LK, let him take his lumps and hopefully he develops and will eventually be quicker at making adjustments, spotting opponents weakness' and exploiting them.


Gadz and Ruffin were in there way too long though.

[Sigra]

BTW Ilhan, how do I get your 3 Amigos thing!

First click to post reply (although you will not). Then click on Img tag above. Then right click on my signature (three amigos), properties, and copy adress of my picture. Then paste that adress after Img that you got in your post. Than again click on Img. Than copy all of that and go to your profile. There you will find place for signature. Paste there and that's it

[Sigra]

If our oponent double Bogut and he make turnover that has same efect as when Redd or Mo miss shot.

I would rather see Bogut make 3 turnovers in the row while learning how to deal with double teams insteed of watching Mo and Redd missing 3 shots in the row. But that's me.

[Buck You]

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First click to post reply (although you will not). Then click on Img tag above. Then right click on my signature (three amigos), properties, and copy adress of my picture. Then paste that adress after Img that you got in your post. Than again click on Img. Than copy all of that and go to your profile. There you will find place for signature. Paste there and that's it

Or you can just right click on the sig, go to properties and then put the brackets around it in your profile.

Here Smauss, just copy and paste this into the signature part of your profile.

*With the img brackets connected to it of course.
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