Gary Woeful on WSSP: Redd/T-Mac

[EastSideBucksFan]

Would you guys say this is too far of a stretch? What about the interest of such a trade to the 200 million basketball fans in China?

T-Mac is very popular there, and I've heard Redd is growing popular too - if they both remain aside their Chinese teammates, could that have been somewhat of a factor? Or maybe a business factor for the T-mac camp or Redd camp to express their interest?

I personally don't think the trade will happen, and I would welcome it, but my mind has been wandering and I wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts about this dynamic.

It's an interesting angle and I can see why you might speculate.

But I think these two teams are good trade partners on these two players regardless of the China connection

[skones]

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This may just be me being a Purdue homer, but I don't think Landry for Gadz is a good deal for the Rockets. Landry has a lot of talent around the basket, and plays a very controlled game. Also, his contract is very good. He may not be a great player now, but he has the tools to be a solid role player on a very good team. I don't see the Rockets throwing Landry in.

I think you're being a homer here. Landry was VERY close to getting cut before the season even started.

[BuckFan25226]

A Redd and T-Mac swap neither makes the Bucks a contender now, nor does it make us one two or three years from now. Like the current Bucks roster, we're stuck hoping that one of our existing players makes the leap to superstar. Even then, are we any better than the Rockets right now? We don't have anyone on the team that compares to Yao.

While that's true, it does make us better now, and better in the next couple years as well. Also, from a from a business standpoint, T-mac will fill more seats then Redd. Regardless of what we do, we're probably not going to be a contender in the next 2 years anyway. Although it's a hell of a lot more likely with T-mac then Redd.

That said, I'd do it simply because Tracy's contract runs a year less than Michael's.

I'd still very much prefer to unload Redd with a guy like Gadz in order to get exipiring deals, young talent and/or a pick.

This is the exact reason why we should do it if it is on the table.

[skones]

For the record, this is the type of deal that the Bucks could get raped in. Villanueva gets the opportunity in Houston and becomes a 15 or 16 and 8 player.

[bigkurty]

the question now should be ...who voted no?

Probably Kohls Lawyers. Maybe they have secret accounts.

[EastSideBucksFan]

For the record, this is the type of deal that the Bucks could get raped in. Villanueva gets the opportunity in Houston and becomes a 15 or 16 and 8 player.

Exactly how I feel

[tlsbucks]

if they really want cv we should try to get battier back here too instead of wells...then we make the playoffs with no doubt. cv wont devolop in milwaukee and yes we will have ppl say i told u so and crap like that but u gotta use what we know of him and move him because he has good value espically in the west and now houston...cv gadz can get us battier back maybe i know numbers need to fit but it is solid

[Rockmaninoff]

For the record, this is the type of deal that the Bucks could get raped in. Villanueva gets the opportunity in Houston and becomes a 15 or 16 and 8 player.

I agree, and that is why Villanueva, a 1st round pick and Bonzi Wells shouldn't be involved in this trade.

I'd also do Redd and 2008 2nd round pick for McGrady and Landry. Then look to move Gadz with Villanueva.

[Balls2TheWalls]

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I think you're being a homer here. Landry was VERY close to getting cut before the season even started.

Teams get close to cutting players a lot of the time, he is averaging 4 points and 4 rebounds in 8 minutes a game.

He would be a welcomed difference from the 6M/yr albatross we have in Gadzuric.

[Sigra]

CV > Bonzi

T-Mac > Redd but considering injuries Rockets have to accept Redd for T-Mac without any other players involved. I wouldn't sleep for 3 days if that trade happen. That's how much happy I would be and that's how much I want to trade Redd for guy who understand basketball and ball movement.

DO IT PLEASE!!!!

[REDDzone]

I'd do it without thinking twice if it didn't include our pick.

However, I will say, for those of you (like me) who has a propensity for yelling "**** YOU REDD!!!" when Mike shoots a dumb shot randomly, get ready to do the same for Tracy.

[europa]

Given that Bobby and Bell have been playing better the past two weeks since this rumor started, I'd like to start at an even up swap of Redd for T-Mac and see where that gets us.

I'd deal Redd/filler for McGrady as well. I think Redd/Villanueva for McGrady/Wells would give the Bucks a much better chance of making a strong run at the playoffs given how Wells in my opinion is better than either Bell or Simmons. But I'd still make the trade if Wells wasn't included.

As far as Villanueva goes, his value isn't likely to be very high and if Simmons' friend is correct he's now asked to be traded. I think people here greatly over-rate what he could bring back in a trade. If the Bucks could get a better player for him - which Wells definitely is - in my opinion I'd jump at the trade.

[bango_the_buck]

Yup. To me, Wells is critical. He not only solidifies the wing position and gives the starting lineup a considerable upgrade but including him in the deal also removes Villanueva. It's a win-win for the Bucks. If it can be done without the 2008 first, it's a no-brainer. If the first has to be included, I'd make it a Top 10 protected pick at least.

The inclusion of Wells would be reason not to do the trade. Yeah, yeah, I know - he's better than any 3 we have on the roster and its not even close, blah, blah, blah. You can make the same argument about Randolph at the 4 spot. And I want no part of either one.

I know you don't like CV and never have, but he's neither a cancer nor does he have an albatross contract. And he can score and rebound, so he has value. If we can trade Redd straight up for T-Mac, you do it. No need to try and use this as an 'opportunity' to get rid of CV.

[jokeboy86]

If this deal is on the table the Bucks have to do it as soon as possible because if the Rockets start winning when T-mac comes back then I bet Houston backs off the deal.

Its really a no-brainer though from a business decision. Yi is probably two years away from filling the seats like the Bucks expect he will. With T-mac you get automatic national attention and jersey sales will go up. With all the other local sports teams getting better and the Bucks being completely left out sometimes in media coverage, you've got to get people to talk about this team.

Also in college, so far no player has blown away anybody right now. Mayo's team isn't that good and his stats aren't eye-popping. Beasley's filling up the stats against mediocre teams and that might stop against better conference opponents. Rose is looking like Rudy Gay did in college meaning he defers to his teammates. The players who are playing the best in college aren't high lottery picks. Unless these players have unbelievable tournament runs, they won't generate the same excitement coming into the league as Oden or Durant.

Besides Rose(who's an unknown right now) I wouldn't mind trading the pick this year in order to win now because that's the attitude Kohl is in anyway with the arena issue. Rebuilding and development means bye bye Bucks.

[SupremeHustle]

the question now should be ...who voted no?

I voted no.

I've been preaching for 47 years that the Bucks will never be better than a .500 team with Redd - real, forced or imagined - as their best player, but I'm not sure Tracy McGrady, though a superior player, can help the Bucks anymore than Redd does.

A team like the Bucks should be built on the premise that every player is vital to the success of the franchise. Bring in players who will buy into the a true team concept. Selfless players who care more about each other than their numbers. 15 players with the attitude of Shane Battier.

The alpha male mentality cannot and will not work when the alpha male is a second tier player at best. And it's hard for a city like Milwaukee to attract a first tier, bona fide superstar. So you have to adjust your line of thinking. Forget about having your marquee shine MICHAEL REDD featuring the Milwaukee Bucks and be the team that puts team first.

Anywho, McGrady might bring a few more wins, but ultimately the Bucks will still be the Bucks as long as they try to emulate instead of innovate.

[Chapter29]

yes, with the caveat contract lengths are the same or in our favor. McGrady is much better passer.

I'd really just prefer a PG though and move Mo to the 2.

For starters, I do this trade no questions about it. Mcgrady is a star, Redd is not. Super easy choice.

From a team perspective we improve, but its still less than ideal. We still will be a heavy guard attack offense and still have a sieve defensively at PG AND have no back up PF.

For example, I like Hinrich-Redd the best, even better than Mo-TMAC. Mo-Hinrich is good, but less than ideal.

I prefer moving Mo to Redd as I think any taker for Redd will force us to take on a bad salary (outside of a star player being involved) as well and I really would like to see our starting PG be a stronger defender.

[europa]

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No need to try and use this as an 'opportunity' to get rid of CV.

I'm looking at it as a way to improve the team and rid itself of a player who never fit in and who now reportedly has asked to be traded. I think if the Bucks are hoping to use this trade as a means to truly strengthen a playoff run, then Wells is critical. If it's merely an attempt to change the face of the team and hope something new works better than the current situation than I'm fine with Redd/filler for McGrady.

Either way, I would be very happy acquiring Tracy McGrady.

[Chapter29]

For the record, this is the type of deal that the Bucks could get raped in. Villanueva gets the opportunity in Houston and becomes a 15 or 16 and 8 player.

Yep and he is very capable of doing so. No big deal really as his man will post 20 points every night on him.

I enjoyed watching BigDog, but in the end as good as he was he was regularly outscored by his opponent and I don't think he was much of an asset when looking at the net results.

Charlie V is a complete sieve on defense and I don't think there is any chance that he gets significantly better.

[Dags]

I'm looking at it as a way to improve the team and rid itself of a player who never fit in and who now reportedly has asked to be traded.

Who did what with the which? When did he ask to be traded?

[REDDzone]

The thing to CV is, he does it when he wants to.

When he wants to go to the basket, he is scoring in double digits and grabbing boards fit for a power forward.

When he doesn't, he is not worth his jersey.

The fact that he recently asked for a trade tells me that he isn't willing to do it for this team anymore, unless that is just to raise his trade value?