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Post#41 » by maginno » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:57 pm

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First, pick either Arroyo or Jameer. It is kind of like the red pill or blue pill in the Matrix. Everything revolves around that.

Next, choose whether to be optimistic or pessimistic. Optimistic means you will try and see the good in all things that the Magic do, regardless of how stupid they may seem. Pessimistic means you bring up Fran Vazquez, the value of Trevor Ariza and Darko Milicic, and cite the number $118 million in every post. Seriously. That's a law.

Finally, make some sort of cool blue avatar and signature. Be prepared to change it to green.

Congratulations! You're now a certified fan of the Orlando Magic!



Great post! :clap:
However on the pessimist side bringing up Fran is not required. extra credit though
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Post#42 » by Devin 1L » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:34 pm

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I'm not really buying that analogy.

In no way could you saying "thanks" possibly undermine the job trying to do as a husband.



IMO, in no way does saying, "This team is imperfect", undermine his job as a GM.


I don't really know what to say, this seems like the silliest thing to nit-pick at.

As far as my undermine comment, that was more directed at him making more specific statements, but the point is you want to show a strong hand. Hell, for all we know he might be dying to make a trade, or even really close to making one, but regardless, you want to be in a position of strength -- the guy who could or could not make the trade and be alright (even if just perceived to be), not the guy who is in desperate need to make a deal.

Saying that this team is "imperfect", or that "he's trying to right the ship" isn't needed. It's obvious. That's his job. Always. His job is to always improve this team.

I personally don't give a crap what he says to us fans and the media as long as he is doing his job behind closed doors. We know the team isn't perfect, and we know he knows that. How often do GMs really say what they mean? Most of the time it'd be detrimental. Who shows their hand if they don't have to?

Hell, one thing most Magic fans know that many other fans probably don't know is that Otis almost always does the opposite of what he has been saying. Maybe we can just consider that he secret way of talking to us Magic fans in-the-know. "I don't see us doing anything"? Bingo. Otis just let us fans know that he is indeed trying to make some moves to "right the ship". Thanks, Otis.


Like I said, if Stan can say it, why can't Otis say it? In fact, if Stan says it and Otis doesn't, I think there's a problem.


I don't know, 'cause Stan is the coach and Otis is the GM? Stan can bench them, but not trade them? Stan calls out everyone including himself? 'Cause Stan looks like Ron Jeremy?

I guess I just fail to see the issue.

ETA: Hasn't Otis already shown his hand to a large extent with phrases like this
Otis Smith wrote:but I think what we need, as a team, is more consistent play from the guys we have,"


So he's already acknowledged they aren't up to snuff yet, he's just not going to say he'll trade to fix that problem.


Come on, you're a Magic fan; you're in-the-know.


(Note: The sarcasm in my post is not meant to be rude sarcasm, but merely an attempt to inject a little humor into what I think is a funny discussion.)
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Post#43 » by drsd » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:38 pm

Denver is looking to pair-down some salary. Would a JR Smith for Redick trade be plausible?

LA Lakers look to trim as well: Arroyo/Bogans/Garrity for Brown/Vujacic would put LA under the lux tax.

Whilst these sorts of trades do not make sense for basketball, they make A LOT of sense for business. Keep an eye out for a steal.
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Post#44 » by TNMagicFan » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:40 pm

Otis is not gonna come out and say " yeah I'm looking to deal " Why would he ? That makes no sense . Every GM denies this type of thing and it would most certainly screw with our player's heads . You don't wanna screw with player's heads like that because it messes up what we're doing on the court right now . Then if a deal isn't made our season is f*cked
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Post#45 » by cwas2882 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:03 pm

drsd wrote:Denver is looking to pair-down some salary. Would a JR Smith for Redick trade be plausible?

LA Lakers look to trim as well: Arroyo/Bogans/Garrity for Brown/Vujacic would put LA under the lux tax.

Whilst these sorts of trades do not make sense for basketball, they make A LOT of sense for business. Keep an eye out for a steal.


I can definitely see the Lakers moving Brown and our Vujacic, but if they move brown, they're going to have to get a servicable bigman.
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Post#46 » by mhectorgato » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:05 pm

cwas2882 wrote:I can definitely see the Lakers moving Brown and our Vujacic, but if they move brown, they're going to have to get a servicable bigman.


Patrick Joseph Garrity?
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Post#47 » by cwas2882 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:17 pm

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Patrick Joseph Garrity?


I said serviceable big, not God himself. Kobe wouldn't enjoy playing second fiddle to the ALPHA and the OMEGA.
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Post#48 » by DiplomaticMagic » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:55 pm

I'm hoping 2 of our expirings (Garrity and Dooling) are moved before the deadline. I wouldn't go head and say that we are done making moves this year.
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Post#49 » by vinageras » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:14 pm

BTW. remember that if we publicly express we're shopping our expirings, their value diminishes immediately
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Post#50 » by Nemesis21 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:16 pm

I will be pissed if JJ is traded :x
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Post#51 » by craig01 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:20 pm

Catledge wrote:I think the biggest myth in the NBA is the idea that expiring contracts carry significant trade value more often than not. They will only rarely get you anything good, if for no other reason than that they aren't that rare. Most teams have at least one or two contracts that are expiring, meaning that in most cases you have to include real talent in a deal if you want to get anything decent in return.

And, for what it's worth, I think our greatest need is actually at SG.


Bingo.

As for SG vs PF, you may be right. Arguments can be made for either slot though.
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Post#52 » by Bensational » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:42 pm

devin3807 wrote:Bensational wrote:
^^ why not? i don't think it'd really hurt anything if he said "yeah, we've got a couple of holes to fill. if something comes up that we like then we'll think about it, but no players need to be worried at this point".

that's not too forward, and it gives the impression to fans that he's looking to try to right the ship - even if he does stand pat.


Sorry, but I just think that is silly. It's got to be one of the most ridiculous thing to complain about, in my opinion.


i was just offering up an alternative, not complaining. i'm usually the one who says "as if he's going to come out and say he's shopping dudes", which everyone else seemed to have been saying in this thread, so i just thought i'd try to add a little more discussion and wonder why he can't say things like that?

i'm not good at citing examples, but i'm sure it's not uncommon for GMs to admit that they might be looking come the trade deadline. what's stopping Otis from just saying "we're looking"? he's happy enough to say "we're not looking" (more or less), but if he does make a trade then his words become irrelevant. and he's already admitted that he'll be looking to add pieces in the future so why cross this part of the future off the list?


edit: Dev, don't bother replying to this. just read your last post to Just Plain Mark. Touche'. i'm sure i was at the back of the line when god was handing out the common sense.
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Post#53 » by flyingvee » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:22 pm

NO We need a PF, we have not a single one on the team. We have too many, but bad SG's.

Also Otis is clueless. Last year the team was in a nosedive and playing .300 ball and he said he was happy with the team. Right now you're throwing you're biggest investment in Lewis over at the 4 spot where he is taking a beating. Really smooth move Otis. Would you take Kobe Bryant and make him play PF becuase you had another decent player already playing his position?
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Post#54 » by DiplomaticMagic » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:25 pm

Scott Anez just said that don't write this in stone yet. And Otis just said last week that if something makes sense for them they'll look into it.
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Post#55 » by Illuminati » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:55 pm

TheRevTy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



First, pick either Arroyo or Jameer. It is kind of like the red pill or blue pill in the Matrix. Everything revolves around that.

Next, choose whether to be optimistic or pessimistic. Optimistic means you will try and see the good in all things that the Magic do, regardless of how stupid they may seem. Pessimistic means you bring up Fran Vazquez, the value of Trevor Ariza and Darko Milicic, and cite the number $118 million in every post. Seriously. That's a law.

Finally, make some sort of cool blue avatar and signature. Be prepared to change it to green.

Congratulations! You're now a certified fan of the Orlando Magic!


Which color is Jameer? If he's blue sign me up.

I'll choose to be optimistic, other boards are depressing enough.

My avatar already contains some blue, could one of you kind fellows provide me with a Manly-Dwight sig?

Thank you for welcoming me with open arms.
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Post#56 » by theTHIEF » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:59 pm

well, if you're committed to the team, welcome aboard sir...if not, i'll kep my eye on you sucka!
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Post#57 » by mhectorgato » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:04 am

thEthIEf wrote:well, if you're committed to the team, welcome aboard sir...if not, i'll kep my eye on you sucka!


I'd watch myself Illuminati, he's a large man!!
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Post#58 » by Illuminati » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:05 am

I'm not a desperate housewife, I don't cheat.

Thank you. :)
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Post#59 » by Devin 1L » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:08 am

*Sits back with a bag of popcorn while Thief and Hec initiate the new guy*
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Post#60 » by mattyBoi » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:00 am

devin3807 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Actually, this here might be the exact sort of reply I was referring to. You can just cut and paste it as a reply to everything:

"Yep, typically otis...yadda, yadda, he sucks...can we fire him already...this team isn't even contending for the playo...err, fire otis!"


Ok ill admit, maybe my comment is a little premature and i see the logic in "claiming" not to be dealing.

But the trade deadline passes and the magic havent made a deal, i will be furious.

My comment will be more than warranted.

This is one of the only chances we will have to improve our team while we are in the shackles of Rashards contract.

This has to be done!!!

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