Iverson without Melo? Melo without Iverson?

[PopAGat]

Hey nuggets fans. I'm really wondering what you nuggets fans think on this.

Where would Iverson be without melo(if melo wasnt on the nuggets)? We all know that Melo can lead this team into the playoffs without A.I. So who do you guys think can lead the team better with out eachother?

Personally I think that no way iverson could take this team to the playoffs without melo

[Don_eMOCION#31]

that's absolutely bull. iverson didn't had a melo when he was a sixer and has averaged mory points so that your iverson only can score with melo on the team thing is bull.

i think iverson could take this team into playoff directory VERY easily he did that with way inferior sixers than nuggets.

very stupid thread in my eyes if you consider that the things you say make no sense

[noone]

THIS team minus Melo doesn't make the playoffs. THIS team minus Iverson doesn't make the playoffs. Maybe in the east, but the west is way too deep.

[L-Burna89]

If this team was completely healthy without either one of them, we'd probably still make the playoffs, even out West. Having to deal with the same amount of injuries, on top of losing one of the two, probably not.

You take Melo away though, and make Iverson be the only focal point on the team like he was in Philly.....he may still score as much, but he'd be doing so on horrible efficiency, like he was before. And because of how streaky he is, it'd be hard to win more than 41 games.

Melo has already proven he can single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, as hes done it every year of his career. Especially now that we have some good 3pt shooters that we didn't have before, it'd be much easier to build a team around just him.

[pickaxe]

I think they're both a stop-gap for each other. AI has a horrible night, Melo might still have a great one. Either way you have a role player with a better than average night alongside a superstar.

And then Kleiza, JR, Camby, Martin all step up and that pushes the team to that next level.

Melo is a consistent producer. He'll bring a contribution to the team no matter what. I think he has a streak of like 2 seasons of not scoring less than 10 points.

AI just hits those shots when it matters - and each of the playoffs before 06-07 it was all Melo and no one else really hit clutch shots. AI brings that extra element on top of everything else.

Melo would be just like Kobe/LeBron/Garnett pre trade, in the sense that he's just shouldering a huge load but in the end team mates still need to produce. AI.....man, if he was still on the Sixers I would hope it wouldn't go the route of Stephon Marbury where he just fades into nothing.

AI needs a good team to be around him at this point. Melo had a good team.

[corona]

with a healthy lineup all season (~70 games of nene/martin/camby/atkins), i think either could single handedly get the team to the 8th spot.

with just melo, denver would have jr smith back in the starting lineup playing ~30mpg, and averaging 17+ppg. atkins could bring what dre didn't in 3 point shooting. but most importantly those two in the starting lineup would allow melo to play a lot more 1v1 in the midpost (otherwise you're giving two 40% shooters open looks). and that offense combined with the interior d of denver's 3 big guys is enough to win over 40 games imho.

likewise, with just iverson....LK gets a lot more minutes, and i think he can be a legit starter in the league as a true SF. jr would get more minutes to score as well. and having atkins/nene/martin/camby healthy would lead to more wins.

but if you hand either guy the team with the injuries we currently have...i doubt they crack 35 wins.

[noone]

Corona hit the nail on the head. Perfectly healthy this is a very good team and could succeed without one or the other. A first round playoff loss, but they could make the playoffs nonetheless.

AI.....man, if he was still on the Sixers I would hope it wouldn't go the route of Stephon Marbury where he just fades into nothing.

I'm not sure exactly what you're basing this off of, but Iverson has made some pretty decent offensive clubs out of teams that are lacking talent-wise on that side of the ball.

[ambiglight]

Hey nuggets fans. I'm really wondering what you nuggets fans think on this.

Where would Iverson be without melo(if melo wasnt on the nuggets)? We all know that Melo can lead this team into the playoffs without A.I. So who do you guys think can lead the team better with out eachother?

Personally I think that no way iverson could take this team to the playoffs without melo

[corona]

There are no good teams that rely on a single guy to get it done. The cavs suck and they have lebron james. AI is well past his days of being that good. And carmelo looks like he has hit a wall, and this is about as good as he's going to get. Neither one of these guys is capable of carrying a team deep in the playoffs without a great squad around them. This conversation only makes sense after a squad wins something of significance. You ask this question of teams with Jordan and Pippen on the roster or Shaq and Kobe. Not melo and AI. This team just isn't on that level yet to be debating about who needed who the most.

a) the cavs made the finals last year with just lebron. denver without either melo or iverson still has a better supporting cast than that group.
b) carmelo's 23, was averaging 32ppg on 50% shooting for a good portion of last season. but this year he's hit a wall at 26/7? not really.
c) nobody said anything about either carrying the nuggets deep into the playoffs. the op was talking about getting the team minus iverson or minus carmelo to the playoffs. big difference.
d) it's not a worthy discussion talking about who's more important to the teams success? i think that's really the basis of any team/player discussion on any board here at realgm.

[Ballin02]

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There are no good teams that rely on a single guy to get it done. The cavs suck and they have lebron james. AI is well past his days of being that good. And carmelo looks like he has hit a wall, and this is about as good as he's going to get. Neither one of these guys is capable of carrying a team deep in the playoffs without a great squad around them. This conversation only makes sense after a squad wins something of significance. You ask this question of teams with Jordan and Pippen on the roster or Shaq and Kobe. Not melo and AI. This team just isn't on that level yet to be debating about who needed who the most.

I would take your post more seriously if I didn't see you on the espn forum, or somewhere else making rediculous statements. For the record I know you don't like Iverson, anyone that has seen your comments before knows this, so I am not surprised by your statements. But you sound absolutly insane and idiotic when you say that he "is well past his days of being that good". I mean if you are going to hate on him at least make it less obvious. That guy is arguably playing some of his best b-ball in recent years, what the heck are you talking about? Or better yet...who and what player have you been watching, because you're obviously not watching the same Iverson I am that is averaging 27 and 7. Guy, give me a break and get a life for crying out loud. I guess Kobe, Steve Nash and Keven Garnett aren't as good as thier past days as well right? Or is it just Iverson to you because he's "Allen Iverson"? You said that Iverson can't carry a team deep into the playoffs what the heck was that he did with the Sixers then? Stand around and look pretty? Again, please come with less idiotic statements next time.

As far as Carmelo, i'm not sure what he will become, he has been in the league five years now...in a few years he will be considered a veteren...so whatever it is he should get a move on it, it's now or never. But to say that he has "hit a wall" and is "as good as its going to get" is just as silly. Nobody knows what he is or is not going to become. Please for the love of god, find a new hobby. I have seen some crazy quotes on these forums but you just took the cake.

[Ballin02]

I always read this site, but I never post untill now. I am about as unbias as it gets on this topic, considering that my favorite player is Tim Duncan, but I have to ask the question, Why are the Nuggets fans always have the "Melo vs Iverson" debate going on? I don't think anyother team does that but the Nuggets fans. I mean as a b-ball fan its kind of disheartening that there are fans out there that are so unappreciative of players. Especially Iverson, judging by some of these comments I have seen at times if I didn't know any better I would think Iverson was some scrub off the streets and not a future Hall of fame b-ball player, its sort of pathetic. Some teams would love to have one star on their team...let alone two. I just don't get it and had to ask the question.

But anyhow, to answer the main question, Iverson is more proven to be able to carry teams through the seasons and playoffs he has had more winning seasons then not, where as Melo has proven to get a team to the playoffs, but thats about it. But I seen a sports writer say that without Iverson, this team would be struggling to even be .500 and I agree. But to advance in the playoffs in the West, they are obviously going to need eachother.

[corona]

here we go again....

[The Rebel]

here we go again....

You know you like it. Either way this could be interesting, two guys fighting that are both AI homers.

[djtruebeliever]

nm, my bad.

[L-Burna89]

Corona, whats with the "PF"? does it stand for personal foul?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=750015

[nola3]

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You know you like it. Either way this could be interesting, two guys fighting that are both AI homers.[/quote]

maybe if you didn't condescendingly call ai fans "'AI homers" in your typical holier-than-thou tone, we'd be able to have more constructive discussions on the ai/melo relationship as it relates to their performance on the court?

I'd love a thread about how ai and melo can better play off each other on the court, what plays could be run that utilize their respective skills. Unfortunately, everytime this comes close to forming we hear from one idiot who says "all ai does is pound the ball" and another one who says that "ai should be the main scorer and melo should step back."

thank you for helping bridge this divide, its been very constructive.

[Ballin02]

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maybe if you didn't condescendingly call ai fans "'AI homers" in your typical holier-than-thou tone, we'd be able to have more constructive discussions on the ai/melo relationship as it relates to their performance on the court?

I'd love a thread about how ai and melo can better play off each other on the court, what plays could be run that utilize their respective skills. Unfortunately, everytime this comes close to forming we hear from one idiot who says "all ai does is pound the ball" and another one who says that "ai should be the main scorer and melo should step back."

thank you for helping bridge this divide, its been very constructive.

^^ That was a good comment, unfortounatly it's probably going to fall on death ears. One thing I have learned about reading some of the comments from some Nuggets fans is that if people that are supposed "Nuggets fans" aren't bashing the players from that team at all times they don't know what to do and seem to forget that both Carmelo and Iverson play for the same team and aren't competing with eachother. Again, it seems like Nuggets fans are the only fans that argue over their stars, and then get mad when people don't agree with them. I have seen people in other forums from other teams make fun of this situation. Very unfortounate.

If Iverson and Carmelo cared to argued over stupidity as much as some do for them on these forums the Nuggets record would be 3-36. That was my point. Some of you could stand to go to sites that are a little less unbias to see what they are really saying about your players and team. Wether people like it or not, some of these comments sound rediculous to people. Period. Just because people don't post on this forum every day like some seem to, doesn't mean we aren't there...it would be nice to see more productive conversations instead of the picking apart of great players, because it sounds ignorant. Thank god the Spurs fans don't do this, they actually appreciate their players....ALL of them.

[Nuggetsfanduh98]

I always read this site, but I never post untill now. I am about as unbias as it gets on this topic, considering that my favorite player is Tim Duncan, but I have to ask the question, Why are the Nuggets fans always have the "Melo vs Iverson" debate going on? I don't think anyother team does that but the Nuggets fans. I mean as a b-ball fan its kind of disheartening that there are fans out there that are so unappreciative of players. Especially Iverson, judging by some of these comments I have seen at times if I didn't know any better I would think Iverson was some scrub off the streets and not a future Hall of fame b-ball player, its sort of pathetic. Some teams would love to have one star on their team...let alone two. I just don't get it and had to ask the question.

But anyhow, to answer the main question, Iverson is more proven to be able to carry teams through the seasons and playoffs he has had more winning seasons then not, where as Melo has proven to get a team to the playoffs, but thats about it. But I seen a sports writer say that without Iverson, this team would be struggling to even be .500 and I agree. But to advance in the playoffs in the West, they are obviously going to need eachother.

Did'nt see any AI vs Melo just a Q over could they individualy take the nugs to the payoffs and the simple anwser is yes.

[Nuggetsfanduh98]

Corona you might wanna lock this thread before it get ugly.

[Ballin02]

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You know you like it. Either way this could be interesting, two guys fighting that are both AI homers.

You're the main one that's the problem and might want to think about finding a new hobby as well instead of bashing players and sounding rediculous, but according to some of the comments that people say back towards you obviously people already know that. Again, just because people don't post everyday, doesn't mean they are not here. You are probably the biggest "homer" on here... but i'm going to be nice and not say which player you're a "homer" for. Like 'nola' said, productive conversations would be more valuable to people that read this site, instead of sitting around being mad at people that don't agree with some of the rediculous statements that are said about these players. Look at other forums, you'll find that the vast majority don't/won't agree with you and would laugh at you if even half the things that are said in here were said on their sites. Good luck with that.