Trade Iguodala

[Mik317]

I must be on ignore, but I been over this with you way too many times but because I want to just let you see where most of us is coming from.

Iggy's stats won't go down when he gets better players around hum they would probally stay the same or slightly rise but they would be more effiecient because it is now easier for him to operate. He now wouldn't have to jack up bad shots in hope of helping this team win. I've explained how hard it is for him in previous posts that you've glanced over and yet you keep bringing up the same bogus reasons that don't work. Iggy isn't going to get 11mil, he's going to get 10 or so and still that's not grossly overpaying him at all, so what is your deal?

[The Sixer Fixer]

Sendem has to realize that Manu and Howard are on teams that have max players and both of their teams are great. We on the other hand have a bottom 5 team and have no max players. Iggy has more power with his contract negotiations because of that.

I don't understand your point here at all. So you are saying that just because we don't have max player that Andre has more power in getting the contract he want? I don't see how the two things relate at all. You get paid based on what you bring to the table, not based on how big the contracts are of guys around you.

And on the flip side, Manu and Howard aren't paid less just cause they play with a max player. Teams can exceed the cap to sign their own players, so Dallas and SA were not limited in what they could offer just cause they already had a max player.

[SendEm]

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I don't understand your point here at all. So you are saying that just because we don't have max player that Andre has more power in getting the contract he want? I don't see how the two things relate at all. You get paid based on what you bring to the table, not based on how big the contracts are of guys around you.

And on the flip side, Manu and Howard aren't paid less just cause they play with a max player. Teams can exceed the cap to sign their own players, so Dallas and SA were not limited in what they could offer just cause they already had a max player.

I think what you have just uncovered is a person that looks to support the player more than the franchise. I want the Sixers to win EVERYTIME. I don't care if Iguodala wins because he is just a player that can be traded, cut, waived, or whatever. My support is with the Sixers. So overpaying a player just because the franchise that I am in support of is in a losing situation seems to me like something I will grow to hate that player for once the team gets back on its feet. Iggy is like one of those high interest loans businesses that prey upon the poor.

[freshie2]

But is Iguodala the only thing wrong with this franchise?? Most view him as an asset for the franchise, you single him out as the piece which is holding the franchise back. I think everyone wants the franchise to win, and Iguodala is not untouchable, but I can't agree with the comments that he is the main thing wrong with the franchise or that he's a dime a dozen type player.

[SendEm]

Yes $11.5 million per season to an easily replaceable player will hold us back.

IS IGGY HOLDING US BACK NOW? No, because he's only making $2.8 million this season off of his rookie deal.

Will he hold us back at $11.5 million or the greater amount that he is looking for because he ACTUALLY TURNED DOWN $11.5 MILLION? Yes.

We could use that $11.5 million more effectively elsewhere on another player.

[bebopdeluxe]

freshie:

I don't think that the majority of the people who are willing to consider moving Iguodala in the right deal are saying that he is holding the franchise back. We acknowledge that he is a fine player...and I would expect that if Stefanski were able to do a S&T for him this summer, it would be AT LEAST for an established score-the-ball SG, if not in a package to get a legit down-low option at PF (somebody like Gasol, for instance). The quality of player that I would have to get back to consider a S&T for Iguodala is a implicit statement that Iggy is a very solid player and one of the only assets that we can trade for another high-quality player.

For me - right now - it is not a question of talent...it is simply a question of fit. I'm just not sure that Iggy is worth $57 million as our SG of the future...and if we can use him as leverage to fill our crying need at PF, we have to consider it, IMO.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

Actually, Iggy's playing his way out of that size contract. He's not playing badly, but the money he was seeking was based on him stepping up and becoming a big-time guy this year. That isn't happening. He could be in for a rude awakening this off-season. In my opinion he should have taken the old number

[dond]

freshie:

I don't think that the majority of the people who are willing to consider moving Iguodala in the right deal are saying that he is holding the franchise back. We acknowledge that he is a fine player...and I would expect that if Stefanski were able to do a S&T for him this summer, it would be AT LEAST for an established score-the-ball SG, if not in a package to get a legit down-low option at PF (somebody like Gasol, for instance). The quality of player that I would have to get back to consider a S&T for Iguodala is a implicit statement that Iggy is a very solid player and one of the only assets that we can trade for another high-quality player.

For me - right now - it is not a question of talent...it is simply a question of fit. I'm just not sure that Iggy is worth $57 million as our SG of the future...and if we can use him as leverage to fill our crying need at PF, we have to consider it, IMO.

I totally agree. I think we all can agree that Iggy is, when playing with heart and passion, is an impact player. However, if we could trade him for a legitimate impact power forward (one who defends) , I would do it immediately.

[freshie2]

I have no problem for being wise with the money, but I don't think the other pieces are that easily obtainable. While I have no problem dealing Iguodala if you get fair value back, I also think that with most of the first contract extensions, you are taking somewhat of a risk. Iverson signed his first big deal before anyone could say with certainty he would be a big time player...same with Marbury, who was a bust.

My only concern with giving up on Iguodala is he is still a very young and gifted player, and his best role on this team still may be defined as they bring in that next piece. I stated at the beginning of the season that losing Joe Smith would hurt the team, and it has, and it has also impacted the overall style of play. Evans rebounds, but is a huge liability on offense. I am still excited to see Iguodala and Thad mesh, and even more excited to see what they have if they can throw in an upgrade @ PF...even more Jason Smith.

[76erinSJ]

Sendem dont tell me im a fan of only players when you yourself said you didnt watch any Sixers games after AI was traded. That isnt being a Sixer fan, thats being a Allen Iverson fan. And yes having max player contracts on ur team does effect how much your gonna give other players. And Sendem, if you say cutting or waiving Iggy would be good for this team then you are about as smart as Isiah Thomas after smoking crack.

[SendEm]

Sendem dont tell me im a fan of only players when you yourself said you didnt watch any Sixers games after AI was traded. That isnt being a Sixer fan, thats being a Allen Iverson fan. And yes having max player contracts on ur team does effect how much your gonna give other players. And Sendem, if you say cutting or waiving Iggy would be good for this team then you are about as smart as Isiah Thomas after smoking crack.

You're wrong. I wasn't simply just an "AI fan," I was angry with the franchise for not firing Billy King AND for having Mo Cheeks here as the coach. It was disgusting to watch my team play under both bad coaching and bad management. I was doubly disgusted when I found out that the Sixers were winning a huge amount of games guaranteeing that they wouldn't get a high draft pick. It was too much to take. I'm a Sixers supporter but I am not a masochist. It would have been impossible for me to sit through them winning games last season knowing that it would only get us too were we are RIGHT NOW JANUARY 2008.

And yes you are an Iggy fanboy with low expectations. You are a connoisseur of mediocrity that is easily satisfied. Imagine if we had a swing player in town who could REALLY play. You wouldn't be able to control your fandom, your cup would runneth over with fan juice. Just don't spill any of it on me. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

[76erinSJ]

Your said you stopped watching after they traded AI. That was your statement. Dont try to change things up when they make you look bad. If what you just said was the truth you would have said that in place of " I stoped watching after they traded AI". You for some reason have a hate for Iggy that stems from nowhere. Ive been watching the Sixers all my life. Dont tell me im a fanboy and only watch Iggy. you are an attention whore. You make statements just to make people mad so that they will post back ala Ricky. You 2 might have been separated at birth. You might have a brother you dont even know about.

[SendEm]

If I'm an attention whore I must be an extremely desirable one because you PERSISTENTLY employ my services... Thank you for your business. You are the petrol in the engine that runs my "attention whoring"...

Now that I've reached my destination lets make usage of this ignore feature. You were 76erinNJ now you're 76eronIGNORE

[Mik317]

your cool.............

[tk76]

76erinSJ, I'm sorry to hear you are being ignored by sendem. I hope you will be O.K.

[Mik317]

no his world is ending ask we speak......."How could this happen to me.......I made my mistakes........"

[76erinSJ]

My heart just broke. I really wish he could read my post so that he understand how sad I am that he will no longer be able to see how I feel.
I think he is the 1st person to ignore on this board. Do you see how he dogded my question about him saying he stopped watching Sixers games because AI was traded and not because of what he just stated? I must have hit home on that one cause he must have missed AI alot.

[tk76]

Sendem, in your defense you seem reasonable enough in all areas not Iguodala. The Iguodala points are often reasonable, but the delivery is a bit... over the top.

[freshie2]

It's actually SJ not NJ, but that's not a big issue. Saddest thing is he stopped watching when AI left...that was a breath of new life in my Sixers fandom. I was in Florida on business when I saw the Snider interview stating AI was a goner, and could not stop smiling the rest of the night. AI has to be respected for his talent, but I don't think his 'game' lends to team success.

I guess disagreeing on AI would be consistent with most of his comments and my disagreement with those. Oh well...people don't always see eye to eye.

[sec-106]

I know the opponents defensive focus has been on AI2, but what are everyone's thoughts on why he seems to have not progressed this season as was expected.

As for trading him, I'm not against it, especially if he helps net a stud PF.