#44. LA Lakers @ Detroit Pistons. 4:30 tip, 5:30 tv delay

[J Rob]

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Where's my picture that I posted?!?!

Dude, bring it back out when you find it.

Turiaf is a flat out gamer.

I'd take AK or Marion at this point.

At least their defense makes up for occaisional offensive miscues.

[milesfides]

The problem isn't that Odom didn't get the rebound, the problem is that he left Tayshaun Prince wide open in the corner to stop penetration by Billups, in a 2-point game. You can't give up a wide-open three-pointer, that's just common sense.

It's either a lack of intuitive recognition or poor basketball IQ, but he's made a good number or poor basketball decisions in crucial times throughout his career.

I don't really blame Odom though, I thought the Pistons forwards would outplay him and they did.

Actually, I expected the Pistons to blow us out. Neither team has a serious post presence, but the Pistons are a better shooting team with better defense. That should have guaranteed the win, but Kobe got hot, Fish found his touch again tonight, and Turiaf gave us a real boost.

I personally think if Radman didn't get one minute of playing time tonight, we would have had 6 solid possessions to burn.

[ak777]

Lamar is not close to Scotti Pippen's level,so im in no way comparing them as players. But when it came to clutch Pippen wasnt clutch either.

It seemed like with them, even when Pippen was playing well in situations like this Paxon, Kerr, Kukoc or MJ would get that big shot.

Even if Lamar had a great game,he should never take the last shot. Fisher is our Steve Kerr/Paxon type player and i just wish Phil had him take it out and get it back.

STOP right there....dont even compare lamar to scottie.....he took his team to playoff when Jordan was not there.......

Lamar will take us to lottery....if we didnt had kobe and bynum on this team

[J Rob]

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i Think Odom would be best in a 3rd role. Like if he was the 3rd option after 2 major players. How old is Odom?? Does he have any chance to get better??

He's 28 and no, he won't get better because he hasn't improved his game at all since he came into the league as a Clipper.

He still plays, thinks, and performs with the consistancy of a talented rookie (= not a compliment).

[dockingsched]

as far the criticism of odom, i still find it very funny that people still get all upset when odom sucks offensively. some of you need to wake up and realize he has limited offensive skill. he gets his baskets off of hustle. time for some fans to adjust their expectations and stop harping on his salary. yes hes drastically overpaid but referencing his annual salary isn't going to magically give him talent.

where he should be criticized is his still awful defense off of screens and rather lazy help defense. the last defensive play showed everything odom does wrong that he shouldn't. he collapsed on chauncey when he wasn't going to stop him anyway. odom is a position defender and by the time he came down on billups he was in no position to do anything....so not only did he not have a chance of affecting billups he left the shooter wide open. defensively is where he is failing. thats inexcusable. offensively, he sucks. mentioning 2nd option and odom in the same sentence is a lack of knowing what odom is about and disrespectful to other players that can and will step up offensively.

[Slava]

Only Sasha and Kobe have the guts to take the final shot and hit it on this team. Plain and simple. Farmar might want it but Sasha has that mad confidence.

[Kobay]

[SashAlex]

Poor game !

[Lakers05]

The problem isn't that Odom didn't get the rebound, the problem is that he left Tayshaun Prince wide open in the corner to stop penetration by Billups, in a 2-point game. You can't give up a wide-open three-pointer, that's just common sense.

It's either a lack of intuitive recognition or poor basketball IQ, but he's made a good number or poor basketball decisions in crucial times throughout his career.

I don't really blame Odom though, I thought the Pistons forwards would outplay him and they did.

Actually, I expected the Pistons to blow us out. Neither team has a serious post presence, but the Pistons are a better shooting team with better defense. That should have guaranteed the win, but Kobe got hot, Fish found his touch again tonight, and Turiaf gave us a real boost.

I personally think if Radman didn't get one minute of playing time tonight, we would have had 6 solid possessions to burn.

Not saying that Odom made the right decision(I don't know how he couldn't realize that he was too far to help, I mean Prince was wide open AND in perfect rhythm), but Fisher deserves more blame for allowing Chauncey to beat him so easily.

Even Lamar hadn't helped, most likely what would have happened is that Chauncey would have shot a floater, Ronny helped, and someone would have gotten a putback.

[Slava]

(picture)

Dude that was cold. You should know better before posting that.

[kobynum show]

i wonder how many turnovers kobe would have had if he was passing it to bynum instead of kwame..

[Lakers05]

as far the criticism of odom, i still find it very funny that people still get all upset when odom sucks offensively. some of you need to wake up and realize he has limited offensive skill. he gets his baskets off of hustle. time for some fans to adjust their expectations and stop harping on his salary. yes hes drastically overpaid but referencing his annual salary isn't going to magically give him talent.

where he should be criticized is his still awful defense off of screens and rather lazy help defense. the last defensive play showed everything odom does wrong that he shouldn't. he collapsed on chauncey when he wasn't going to stop him anyway. odom is a position defender and by the time he came down on billups he was in no position to do anything....so not only did he not have a chance of affecting billups he left the shooter wide open. defensively is where he is failing. thats inexcusable. offensively, he sucks. mentioning 2nd option and odom in the same sentence is a lack of knowing what odom is about and disrespectful to other players that can and will step up offensively.

Odom's defense is fine. Why is it that people always blame the helper and never the guy that forced the help?

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Odom's defense is fine. Why is it that people always blame the helper and never the guy that forced the help?

it wasn't just about one play. his defense off of screens is atrocious. man to man he's decent but when you start making him have to communicate and make decisions, he fails. its every game.

[ak777]

wow...I just saw the replay on tnt .....why was kwame in the game on the last shot??? forget lamar????

what the heck was phil thinking?

[Lakers05]

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it wasn't just about one play. his defense off of screens is atrocious. man to man he's decent but when you start making him have to communicate and make decisions, he fails. its every game.

That's because if your point guard is too short or too slow and gets beat too easily, it forces Odom to leave his man to help at distances longer than he can recover.

[ak777]

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That's because if your point guard is too short or too slow and gets beat too easily, it forces Odom to leave his man to help at distances longer than he can recover.

[ak777]

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That's because if your point guard is too short or too slow and gets beat too easily, it forces Odom to leave his man to help at distances longer than he can recover.

[milesfides]

I don't even expect great defense from Odom. I don't know where that came from - maybe that playoff series when he guarded Marion reasonably well? (Of course, we construed it as Odom "shut him down.")

Odom has never been a good team defender. He's a neglible shot-blocker, his defensive recognition is not remarkable, and he doesn't protect the basket or the paint whatsoever.

But he is a pretty decent man defender against several players.

He plays defense like a small forward.

[B-Scott]

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STOP right there....dont even compare lamar to scottie.....he took his team to playoff when Jordan was not there.......

Lamar will take us to lottery....if we didnt had kobe and bynum on this team

Great point and i agree 100%, but Kukoc, Kerr and Paxon were more trusted to take the shot out of a double team with 5 seconds remaning in the game.

The same should have happened tonight

[dockingsched]

i was gone for most of the live action in this thread but just incase it hasn't been mentioned, lamar didn't make the all-star team this year.