Stupid Basketball players or lack of talent?

pilprin · Post #1 » by **pilprin** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:37 pm

Please move this if there is a better thread already out there.

When I watch this team I see so many fundamentally stupid basketball decisions. It makes me wonder if this team is seriously lacking talent, or if it is filled with stuoid players - I don't mean overall IQ, just BB IQ.

There is absolutely no rhyme or reason they do what they do. The Rockets game was just the most recent evidence. Bogut played very well and even when he wasn't scoring, he made good passes to put others in scoring position. So they run a few sets through him and then boom, 3-4 straight trips down the court firing 3's and crashing them off the backboard and the offensive flow is all screwed up again.

If the we don't have low BB IQ players or a lack of talent, we have a really poor coach.

I beginning to believe we have all three.

Other than Bogut, do we have anyone else who is legitimately above average at their position? Maybe Redd, but we've beat his shortcomings to death.

InsideOut · Post #2 » by **InsideOut** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:52 pm

C). All of the above.

BobbyLight · Post #3 » by **BobbyLight** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:58 pm

Don't forget the owner who won't let the GM do his job. That's a problem as well.

jeremyd236 · Post #4 » by **jeremyd236** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 3:42 pm

Why does the problem have to either be a lack of talent or basketball IQ? Why can't it be that our team just simply isn't built correctly?

I think we have talented, smart players who just don't work well together. We're a soft, jumpshooting team nearly up and down the roster. Nobody really complements another player's game at the same position, it's just more of the same.

WEFFPIM · Post #5 » by **WEFFPIM** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:39 pm

I opened this thread anticipating a discussion about Dan Gadzuric.

InsideOut · Post #6 » by **InsideOut** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:52 pm

jeremyd236 wrote:Why does the problem have to either be a lack of talent or basketball IQ? Why can't it be that our team just simply isn't built correctly?

I think we have talented, smart players who just don't work well together. We're a soft, jumpshooting team nearly up and down the roster. Nobody really complements another player's game at the same position, it's just more of the same.

I'd be interested in your list of Bucks that you feel are both talented and smart.

europa · Post #7 » by **europa** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:23 pm

InsideOut wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'd be interested in your list of Bucks that you feel are both talented and smart.

1. Bogut

That's all I got.

Post #8 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:46 pm

Smart management teams are able to determine whether players are basketball smart and coachable......and they gravitate towards getting those type of players on their team, within the confines of making sure the players also have some skill.

Kohl goes at it a different way....he looks for good locker-room/community smarts first and doesn't look at basketball smarts or doesn't have an ability to assess that (and his GM doesn't have an ability to assess that either)

mcfromage · Post #9 » by **mcfromage** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:52 pm

I agree PP, we've got too many nice guys on this team. I live in the Bay Area and its such a pleasure watching guys like Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis who are tough, smart and kinda mean. Kohl DEFINITELY overrates the importance of nice guys. We need some swagger.

bango_the_buck · Post #10 » by **bango_the_buck** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:19 pm

I think there's more to 'high B-ball IQ' then just understanding and feel of the game. There's the experience factor (we are a very young team). Those smart management teams (e.g. the Spurs) have rosters consisting largely of wiley veterans. Don't get me wrong, there are those players (like Brandon Roy, for instance) who are wise beyond their years (in a basketball sense), but for the most part, older player = smarter player. And then there is the unselfishness factor. As a player, you can have a good feel and understanding of the game, but if all you care about is your playing time or your stats or your pay check (individual instead of team accomplishments), that shows on the court and the team's performance suffers as a consequence...

pilprin · Post #11 » by **pilprin** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:50 pm

What would a Jeff Van Gundy do to this team? Would it be better or worse? I really don't know.

I like Larry K as a person, but I am wondering about him as a NBA Coach.

smauss · Post #12 » by **smauss** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:04 pm

I don't know why I was so surprised but I noticed at Sat. Game that Bogut was having to direct players all over the place both on D and O (if memory serves.) He kept pulling out his mouth piece and yelling with hand motions to players; positioning them.

Bogut definitely understands the game!

okanoho · Post #13 » by **okanoho** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:32 pm

pilprin wrote:There is absolutely no rhyme or reason they do what they do. The Rockets game was just the most recent evidence. Bogut played very well and even when he wasn't scoring, he made good passes to put others in scoring position. So they run a few sets through him and then boom, 3-4 straight trips down the court firing 3's and crashing them off the backboard and the offensive flow is all screwed up again.

if.. i say if, one of the guard figure out that he is hot after bogut's setup to make one or two open jumper, then they immediately think they are hot enough to shoot over shoot 3 defenders jumping at them

Newz · Post #14 » by **Newz** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:23 am

It is clearly lack of talent. It is hard to play smart when you just aren't any good in the first place.

We have three guys who are average to above average players: Mo, Redd, Bogut.

We have two other guys who are below average players with some talent but have proven nothing: Yi, CV

The rest of our guys are complete garbage.