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[Sleepy51]

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I think your greatly underestimating Tay's basketball IQ... hes going through the right motions, but his help isn't always there...

An easy deterrent would be for whoevers guarding the screener to let Tay know whos his help defense... if its Webb or Barnes Ellis should go over the top regardless... hes so quick that he at least would be able to draw a moving screen violation...

BTW, it was brought up in the game thread, but what happened to that call? You see players now start to drive before the screen is even set, and no calls... its the NBA equivalent to cut blocking

I'm not diparaging his IQ. I'm disparaging the instruction he's had. I mean his HS coach was letting him score 84 points in games. That's not typical of a teaching enviornment where he'd be learning a lot of fundamentals and technical detail. He was just so ridiculously athletic that the coach knew he could win games by just giving him the ball. I doubt they ever worked on defense at all. No college coaching, and then Monty was disinterested in him probably because of his lack of refinement.

He is jsut now being taught anything, and it's by a coach who is offense oriented and runs a distinctively unfundamental style of D.

Monta is not BBALL dumb. He's BBALL uneducated. To me there's a huge difference. I have no reason to believe he can't learn the stuff he doesn't know.

[FNQ]

Even that ^

Monta appears to be way ahead of where people have him pegged...

My biggest problem with his defense is his knees really... mainly the right one. Monta can succumb to a crossover pretty easily, especially R - L, since if he's going one way, putting pressure and the exploding off his troublesome knee always makes him pause...

People going to the right hand on him? Forget about it... in the zone, Tay always plays on the left side... its not a coincidence either.

All that said... for all the talk of not being a defensive coach, Nellie has at least positioned these people for success... if Barnes were smarter, he'd make Nellie's D look a lot better when our starting 5 isn't out there.. ditto for Pietrus...

[Sleepy51]

Even that ^

Monta appears to be way ahead of where people have him pegged...

My biggest problem with his defense is his knees really... mainly the right one. Monta can succumb to a crossover pretty easily, especially R - L, since if he's going one way, putting pressure and the exploding off his troublesome knee always makes him pause...

People going to the right hand on him? Forget about it... in the zone, Tay always plays on the left side... its not a coincidence either.

All that said... for all the talk of not being a defensive coach, Nellie has at least positioned these people for success... if Barnes were smarter, he'd make Nellie's D look a lot better when our starting 5 isn't out there.. ditto for Pietrus...

Barnes was consistently terrific at the top of the 1-2-2 zone when we ran it more. That was our "prevent" D and Matt did well applying pressure to the QB so to speak.

This year we're blitzing everybody. The "attack the guy who can't look up while he dribbles" D requires a lot of gambling and the smarts to know when to fully commit to the steal, and when to bail out and recover to a shooter. It also demands that you be willing to be wrong sometimes and just keep the pressure on. Effective moving screens appear to be the acchillies heel to that defense, because the offense is dictating the terms. It's not an easy defense to play as it is very contradictory to what players are taught for most of thier playing days . . . that said, Monta should be better at it, since he hasn't been taught anything yet

[Subaculta]

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this advice fits well for the Knicks, perhaps the Heat, Kings and Bucks, but it wouldn't be a good idea for the Ws, would it? We suck for 13 years, sneak into the playoffs once and then blow everything up again? Nah, I prefer the route this franchise takes right now.


Sign Ellis and Biedrins and let them (AND Wright) mature. Slowly... no need to rush things, we can make some noise in this conference but winning? Probably not. If it takes Wright 3 years to make an impact, then 3 years it is.
Or put it that way: Who'll be happier? The Ws and Wright, playing 20mins from the bench in the conference finals in his third year OR the Sonics and Durant, playing 46min with an 22/60 record?

stop it! you're making too much sense!!

Mblow it up!

More POB!!

play the young guys more!

11 games over .500 sucks!

[Subaculta]

this is Laki's way of coming around on Monta....Give him time..In a year Laki will be totally be on the Tay Bandwagon...

you mean the "2 guards are a dime a dozen" wagon?

oh yeah that's right you jumped off that wagon a while ago... good thing Nelson knows a little bit more about the game the average poster on realgm.

[Sleepy51]

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you mean the "2 guards are a dime a dozen" wagon?

oh yeah that's right you jumped off that wagon a while ago... good thing Nelson knows a little bit more about the game the average poster on realgm.

Monta plays PG.

[Subaculta]

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Monta plays PG.

in the future i hope... but when he's playing alongside Baron, and he has the scoring ability that he does... he's a two guard until Baron is gone.

[Sid the Squid]

Monta plays PG

[Sleepy51]

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in the future i hope... but when he's playing alongside Baron, and he has the scoring ability that he does... he's a two guard until Baron is gone.

Monta is playing more PG than Baron in the 1st half of games. That isn't a recent thing. He's been doing it most of the season.

We play a 2 PG offense most of the time. It's not unheard of.

[Souvlaki]

this is Laki's way of coming around on Monta....Give him time..In a year Laki will be totally be on the Tay Bandwagon...

You've got to be kidding me? I've been a Monta supporter since the Summer he was drafted and people said what a waste of a pick and he'll never play. It was obvious from the get go that he had offensive talent. If I was down on him at the beginning of this year it's because he played like crap in the playoffs and played like crap for the first month of the season. Get some perspective.

People around here are funny and seem to want to see everything in black and white. You either stick your nose up a players ass or you hate him. It's getting old.

[FNQ]

There go the negative people again... playing Wright is apparently blowing up the team now.

Amazing

[Mylie10]

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That's entirely probable. I won't argue that Monta doesn't struggle with the technical aspects of the defensive game. He's still a very young player who didn't play particularly high level HS or any college ball . . . he has lots to learn about the right way to play the game.

However, unlike some of our previous and other poor defenders, Monta has the physical tools and plays with an effort level consistent with at least respectable D. He jsut gets whupped when the other guys know the game better than him.

There's no reason to think Monta won't become a better defender, even if he never becomes a great one.

Last night he got torched regularly, but overall he's decent with his defense and I think he'll get better or more wise.

I agree with your take Sleepy.

Ultimately Barons play is how the team played. when he sulked we were down big. When he turned it on, so did the team.

Baron quit last night, but Jax wouldn't let him give up completely. Jax willed Baron back by never giving up. Jax is a great leader in this way. No lead is to big for Stephen.

He had Baron thinking that his partner won't give up here, I better wake up and get busy.

[FNQ]

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Last night he got torched regularly, but overall he's decent with his defense and I think he'll get better or more wise.

I agree with your take Sleepy.

Ultimately Barons play is how the team played. when he sulked we were down big. When he turned it on, so did the team.

Baron quit last night, but Jax wouldn't let him give up completely. Jax willed Baron back by never giving up. Jax is a great leader in this way. No lead is to big for Stephen.

He had Baron thinking that his partner won't give up here, I better wake up and get busy.

TiVo

I'd love to see where Monta was torched as you've said twice now...

[Chris Cohan]

oh and reading the Wiz game thread is absolute hilarity...

especially the part where 510Reggae went over there around page 35 and tells their board that he was "pulling for them" because of how they both have in common how much they hate their current coaches.

Bump

Subaculta, World Police

[Subaculta]

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Bump

Subaculta, World Police

quit harassing me!!

pot meet kettle.