Barnes is a SF, Nellie an idiot

[Head Leader]

thing is.. were in a **** up spot because of our owner.

not 100% because of Don Nelson.

we all know Nellys agenda.

Mully **** us by giving foyle that money.

so we make a trade have some success in the playofffs. owners eyes get big, ticket prices go up, we now have to win to justify that... blame the bandwagon fans.

it happens with every team.

small ball will not contend for a title (the whole point of owning a professional team).. but it will net you wins. and winning = $$$

the vilification of don nelson because of this is just funny to me.
its not all entirely his fault, his job is to get wins, and if he can develop talent along the way.

i went to my first playoff game ever last year. time of my life, ill always remember it... it was fun, as a basketball fan, and purist/realist i know were not going to win, nor have any chance to win big without size... thats common knowledge

there was only 1 small ball team that has ever won a championship. in the HISTORY of the NBA and rick barry was the best player on the team.

as a warrior fan i cannot see myself not enjoying any kind of success we have...even if it is "fools gold"...

[FNQ]

So you are saying Cohan/Rowell's the problem?

Old news... I don't blame Nellie for the state of the franchise, I blame Cohan... I blame Nellie for being a stubborn old bastard who needs to be fired for the greater good of the team.

Eventually you can go all the way up the chain of command for every misstep a team makes... but Nellie's trademark is to win a little, leave the team in horrible shape to win a ring, and then leave when the fanfare and excitement is gone.

[Head Leader]

i guess i just dont think Dallas is in that horrible of shape. nor od i beleive this team will be in horrible shape after hes gone either.

2 out of 5 aint bad

i tihnk nellies gone on record saying trading mitch wasnt exactly the SMARTEST thing to do.

[FNQ]

Dallas is still waiting for that interior presence... they topped out as a good team and are now in the process of falling behind a Western Conference full of teams building the right way... from NO, to POR, to LAL, and you can now add PHX to the list...

Teams like Dallas/Denver/Houston will never make it to the next level... no assets to really deal. Dallas has one actually... Devin Harris, but will he net you a competent big man? Probably not.

[FNQ]

To add onto that thought...

When do bigtime interior big men change hands?

Go down the laundry list of players who are legitimate big men:

Kevin Garnett - traded from a crappy team after 12 years (expirings + a good young PF/C)
Chris Bosh - drafted
Rasheed Wallace - traded from a crappy team (expirings + 2 1sts / SAR)
Zydrunas Illgasukas - drafted
Jermaine O'Neal - traded from a crappy, and poorly managed, team (for Dale Davis)
Dwight Howard - drafted
JSmoove - drafted
Chandler - traded from a crappy team (exp. PJ Brown + JR Smith)
Dirk - drafted
Duncan - drafted
Yao - drafted
Boozer - signed as a FA
Camby - traded from a crappy team (All-Star McDyess)
Aldridge / Oden - drafted
Al Jefferson - traded from a crappy team (to a crappy team, for KG)
Shaq - traded from a crappy team (Odom/Butler, Marion)
Gasol - traded from a crappy team (expirings, prospect, + 2 1sts)
Bynum - drafted
Brand - traded from a crappy team (draft pick Chandler + Skinner)

It basically says there are two options for acquring these types of players... drafting them or trading for them. We simply dont have the assets to make a good trade, most of these require expirings... we've had ample opportunities to find an expiring to deal, we haven't...

Since the draft wont produce anything for us so long as Nellie's hear, you have to believe our best hope will be pairing someone with Al's expiring... in 09/10... unless we find a gem in our system somewhere? Taking an awful big risk...

We're all-in on small ball here..

[floppymoose]

Since the draft wont produce anything for us so long as Nellie's hear

So you have no hopes for Wright? Should we have drafted someone else in that spot?

It doesn't really do much for me to say that Nellie hasn't drafted a big. I want specifics. Who was he supposed to draft in 07?

[Golden State of Mind]

so andris doesn't make the cut?

didn't we trade j-rich to get bigger? Just because a raw big man doesn't play much as a rookie doesn't mean that he won't improve. Bynum only played 7 minutes per in about 40 games as a rookie, and he seems to have developed fine.

LA did just snatch up the Mbenga for the rest of the season, so maybe Phil Jackson is more like Nellie than you realize.

[FNQ]

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So you have no hopes for Wright? Should we have drafted someone else in that spot?

It doesn't really do much for me to say that Nellie hasn't drafted a big. I want specifics. Who was he supposed to draft in 07?

Why are you asking me questions you already know the answers to? And putting words in my mouth?

I have 0 hope for Wright as a Warrior w/Nellie in control... number goes up w/Smart, way up w/anyone else.

Nellie wishes he could have drafted Yi... there was no smokescreen.. why on earth would he trade for Wright and have no intention to use him? When Yi was gone Mully got to make the pick....

[FNQ]

Bynum logged 338 minutes as a rookie... Wright is on pace for 192. And that's including pre-Webber pace.

Then, the next season, as a 19 year old, Bynum gets 20 per, and he bogged down the Lakers so often that it had Kobe demanding a trade, citing Bynum as the reason.

And then by year 3 he's experienced, strong, and smarter...

Phil seems like Nellie in that aspect? Here's something funny... When Beans was 18, 384 minutes... then he got 15 mpg... and in his 3rd season, he put it all together... The pro-Nellie homers love to give this credit to Nellie - when really Monty gave Beans the experience he needed.. he never would have gotten that experience under Nellie.

And then the Mbenga signing... you are joking right? They have 2 Cs out for 2 months each... and he gets like 3 minutes every other game when Turiaf is ineffective or fouling... thats all. He isn't a rotational player... fun fact: Mbenga still has more logged minutes as a Warrior than Wright..

[Golden State of Mind]

yes i was joking about mbenga, you need to relax man...its february, the warriors are 11 games over 500 and relevant, try to enjoy it a little.

[FNQ]

yes i was joking about mbenga, you need to relax man...its february, the warriors are 11 games over 500 and relevant, try to enjoy it a little.

Believe it or not, when the games actually start, IRL, I'm a bigger homer than anyone.... I'll punch my brother in law's Kings-loving ass right in the mouth anytime we do something well and rub it in his face

On here I'm all business (basketball)... I try to look at them objectively as possible here.

No offense, I just dont know anyone here and I could care less if I'm looked down for it I dont think anyone here really mopes around, and hates that we're doing well once the game is on.

[turk3d]

Since Nellie supposedly likes to do the unorthodox and creat mismatches, why doesn't he play Wright some at the 3 spot (if he thinks he's too frail to play the 4) similar to what Seattle's been doing with Durant (Durant at 6'10 and probably the same weight actually playing 2 but probably a much better outside shot and ball handling skills).

Isn't that what he did with Dirk (who was taller) as a rookie (and played SF approximately his first 5 years before becoming pphysically mature enough to move to the 4)?

And don't say it was because he shot so well since he only shot 40.5% fg, 20.5% 3 pt while playing a little over 20 minutes his rookie year.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

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Play Brandan 8-12 minutes per game? :dontknow:

He played Tyronne as a rookie, he played Vic as a rookie, he even played Gatling as a rookie. Brandan sitting idle isn't at the top of my issue list, but it is there. I think this is an area where Nellie is having trouble adjusting to the state of the NBA again. He sees Brandan as simply too young. I think that's all there is to it, but Brandan is the age of most NBA rookies these days. Nellie is missing the boat on this issue. He needs extra fouls, he need length, he needs rebounding and he needs energy and hustle from guys who will play without the ball. Brandan should be getting a little run. Maybe not every game, certainly not for >20 minutes, but he should be getting worked into the mix by now.

I understand why Nellie might have not wanted to play Wright at the same time as Biedrins or POB. It is nice to have four guys on the floor together who can either shoot from the outside or create their own shot. Nellie should put Wright on the floor when Webber plays Center. Weber can't block shots and play interior help defense any more. Wright can block shots. Webber and Harrington/Barnes are a weak rebounding 5 an4 pair but Wright would be an above average rebounder for a 3. Webber can hit 20 footers and Webber can pass. Wright can catch passes and slash to the basket. I would like to see Nellie play Wright on the floor while Webber is playing.

[FNQ]

Bumped due to topic title relevancy.