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Post#1 » by fam3381 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:39 pm

Hey gang, I put together a post over at Brew Hoop meant to debunk the occasional BS we hear about how the team would be better if they were simply better in close games or whatever. Nothing earth-shattering, but some of the numbers on the Bucks are pretty mind-boggling. Here's the article...for graphics and links check out the link:

http://www.brewhoop.com/storyonly/2008/2/18/13818/7526

Fifty-three games into the 07/08 season, the Bucks stand exactly where they did a year ago: 19-34. Given the expectations coming into the season, the team has offered up no shortage of excuses for their underachievement, mostly revolving around bad luck and an inability to finish games. Yet the more we see of this team the more obvious it becomes that...well, that they're just not very good. In fact, look at the numbers closely and you're likely to come to a sad conclusion: they have played even worse than their 19-34 record suggests.

While injuries accounted for last year's starting lineup missing a combined 184 games, the primary source of "bad luck" cited by the Bucks this season has been their record in close games and their inability to make plays down the stretch. Larry Harris told Charles Gardner as much in late January:

"I'm disappointed with our record where it's at," Harris said, "because we've played so many close games and we haven't been able to close those out.

"We've been in a number of those games and really haven't come on the positive side of that."

But while anecdotally that might sound reasonable, take a look at the numbers and it would seem that luck is the least of the Bucks' worries. Their record in games decided by five points or less is actually a more-than-respectable 10-9, certainly far superior to their 9-25 record in games decided by six or more points. While a number of the Bucks' close wins should never have even been that tight and the team has frittered away a number of leads late in games, it's hard to rationalize that away as bad luck. As you would expect of a bad team, the Bucks are worst in games where one team dominates, with a 3-18 record in games decided by double-digits. It's difficult to say which is more troubling--that a team as supposedly explosive as the Bucks never manages to blow other teams out, or that they allow other teams to dominate them so frequently.

The Bucks' propensity for being on the business end of blowouts bears itself out in the team's scoring stats, as they score just 94.4 points per game while allowing 100.9. Because they play at a relatively slow pace, the numbers look even worse when you consider them on a per 100 possession basis. By that metric the Bucks rank just 20th offensively and 29th defensively, and on average they are outscored by over seven points per 100 possessions. Scoring differential tends to be a reliable predictor of winning in the long term; as logic would suggest, good teams tend to outscore their opponents, while bad teams don't. And based on scoring differential, the Bucks should expect to be about 15-38, meaning they've won about four more games than expected. Using actual vs. expected winning percentages, only the Cavs (.558 actual vs. .446 expected win%) and Nets (.434/.322) have been luckier than the Bucks (.358/.285).

Why the do the Bucks get outscored so handily? Well, check out the +/- stats on the lineups they've used this year and it's pretty obvious: each of the Bucks' top 15 most frequently-used lineups have been outscored in aggregate this season. Not even Minnesota, New York, Seattle or Miami can boast that sort of across-the-board futility. Not surprisingly, the Bucks' starters are near the bottom of the league in +/- terms, and the bench is the absolute worst in basketball. And among individual players, only Mike Ruffin has an aggregate +/- on the positive side of the ledger. So next time the Bucks feel like pointing fingers, they should recognize this season's disappointment for what it is: a true team effort.
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Post#2 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:48 pm

Good stats.....

The Cav's differential stuck out to me....would indicate the Cav's get outplayed most nights and then LeBron and the refs take over at the end.
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Post#3 » by jerrod » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:58 pm

nice post


and frittered is a funny word
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Post#4 » by europa » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:59 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Good stats.....

The Cav's differential stuck out to me....would indicate the Cav's get outplayed most nights and then LeBron and the refs take over at the end.


It also helps to have smart players with the ball in their hands at the end of games. LeBron is a smart player who understands how to create for himself and others with the game on the line. The Bucks have an appalling shortage of intelligence on the court - especially in critical moments of games.

People can talk about injuries last season or bad luck this season but I think the bottom line is that the team simply hasn't been any good. As Ron Wolf said, you are what you are. Meaning you can piss and moan about this or that but at the end of the day your record is almost always a true reflection of the team you have.
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Post#5 » by trwi7 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:02 pm

europa wrote: The Bucks have an appalling shortage of intelligence on the court


Just on the court? :lol:
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Post#6 » by europa » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:04 pm

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Just on the court? :lol:


Good point. :)
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Post#7 » by jerrod » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:18 pm

europa wrote: It also helps to have smart players with the ball in their hands at the end of games. LeBron is a smart player who understands how to create for himself and others with the game on the line.



wait

i thought that down 2 with 8 seconds left you were supposed to shoot a fadeaway 3 with 2 defenders in your face

that isn't right?
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Post#8 » by El Duderino » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:18 pm

The Brewers used to use the we don't win enough close games excuse as do many teams in sports.

What is dumb about that is when dealing in close games there often is some luck factor involved, but generally things even out enough in close games to not be the big factor in why a team has a good or poor record.

What separates the good from bad teams in most sports is the good teams are good enough that they don't play tons of close games or win just mainly close games, they win a lot of games by a comfortable margin. That's when you know your team has arrived as a real contender, you win consistently by big enough margins that a single missed jumper, made jumper, or bad call late can decide who wins.

Having to sweat out most of your wins likely will mean your team isn't very good.
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Post#9 » by WEFFPIM » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:24 pm

The fact that a team keeps losing close games is far from bad luck, it's playing well enough to lose. Luck rarely if ever factors into it. It's whether or not the talent and execution is there at the end to win. The Bucks have had neither this season.

The fact the Bucks keep using it as an excuse shows you that not only is this organization not on the same page, but they're skimming through a different book altogether.
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Post#10 » by europa » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:27 pm

jerrod wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




wait

i thought that down 2 with 8 seconds left you were supposed to shoot a fadeaway 3 with 2 defenders in your face

that isn't right?


Nope. You probably shouldn't take a layup at the buzzer when you're down by 3 either.
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Post#11 » by WEFFPIM » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:29 pm

europa wrote:Nope. You probably shouldn't take a layup at the buzzer when you're down by 3 either.


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Post#12 » by trwi7 » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:40 pm

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Nope. You probably shouldn't take a layup at the buzzer when you're down by 3 either.


Or pass to Michael Ruffin anytime during a close game when you're down by 1, much less when there's 2 seconds left.
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Post#13 » by europa » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:42 pm

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Or pass to Michael Ruffin anytime during a close game when you're down by 1, much less when there's 2 seconds left.


The sad thing is we're just scratching the tip of the iceberg. We probably should have started a thread at the start of the season listing the boneheaded plays the Bucks make late in close games. It would make for interesting reading.

On the flip side, I wonder if the sheer size of that thread would lead to the RealGM servers crashing.
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Post#14 » by jerrod » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:43 pm

we should see if we can come up with 1 of these for every player

i bet we can
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Post#15 » by WEFFPIM » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:43 pm

europa wrote:On the flip side, I wonder if the sheer size of that thread would lead to the RealGM servers crashing.


Well, threads are supposedly being locked at 100 now, so it may never reach the RGM implosion level.
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Post#16 » by Buck You » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:00 am

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Well, threads are supposedly being locked at 100 now, so it may never reach the RGM implosion level.


The all star thread on the general board reached 300 I believe.

The Bucks haven't had any smart players since 2001. Notice, smart basketball players, not smart iq wise. Right now we have dumb basketball players with low iq's also. The tunnel vision these players get at the end of games is ridiculous. It's also like if the play doesn't work they don't know what to do, they panic and do something stupid.
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Post#17 » by okanoho » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:09 am

I always say Michael Ruffin is a very good player
it's just that...
he DOESN'T expect the ball to be pass to him, especially at late game situation, sometime it shocks him that the ball is going to him and the ball go out of bounds
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Post#18 » by trwi7 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:13 am

okanoho wrote:I always say Michael Ruffin is a very good player


If Michael Ruffin was a very good player then we wouldn't have been able to get him for the minimum.
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Post#19 » by okanoho » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:45 am

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If Michael Ruffin was a very good player then we wouldn't have been able to get him for the minimum.


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Post#20 » by fam3381 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:46 am

Unfortunately Mike Ruffin's been an un-clutch player even on the defensive end...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s5bqF4VDSx4

That play always cracks me up.
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