Lakers - Rockets WCF's?

Gibbs · Post #121 » by **Gibbs** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:28 pm

I wouldn't be surprised with any of the 9 teams (I think Portland is out of it as much as I love em') that are in the hunt for the playoffs to make the WCF.

So the fact that someone thinks the Rockets can make the WCF isn't as ridiculous as saying the Hawks will now make the ECF. This year's playoffs will be very interesting. I could see any of the first round match-ups going 6 or 7 games.

Chubby Chaser · Post #122 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:39 pm

ImmortalD24 wrote:The Jazz have the worst fanbase, it's really such a shame because they have some decent players.

100% Agree. Booing Derek Fisher when he returned to Utah after all he's been through shows how despicable and classless their fans really are. :nonono:

Nate505 · Post #123 » by **Nate505** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:46 pm

Kobe D wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

100% Agree. Booing Derek Fisher when he returned to Utah after all he's been through shows how despicable and classless their fans really are.

After all he's been thru? I wasn't for the booing of Fish, but this idea that if he would have stayed in Utah that his daughter would be dead has reached a ridiculous assanine level.

Not to mention who gives a damn if the rest of the country whines about the classlessness of Jazz fans (although i must admit, the little 'shaking head' emoticon really hurts...really, really hurts). The fans give Utah the most intimidating atmosphere in the NBA. Not that a Lakers fan would know about what having a good atmosphere for an NBA game is like, but amazingly it does help.

Chubby Chaser · Post #124 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:53 pm

There's bigger things in life than basketball. You don't clap when a player gets hurt, even if it's on the other team. And you don't boo a man who has to leave town to get treatment for his daughter who is battling cancer. You can try and switch it around all you want, but that is unacceptable on all counts.

Nate505 · Post #125 » by **Nate505** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:05 pm

Kobe D wrote:There's bigger things in life than basketball. You don't clap when a player gets hurt, even if it's on the other team. And you don't boo a man who has to leave town to get treatment for his daughter who is battling cancer. You can try and switch it around all you want, but that is unacceptable on all counts.

He did not have to leave town.

Say this wasn't Derrick Fisher, an ok NBA player but certainly nothing special.

Say this was Lebron James, and he wanted to leave Cleveland because his daughter needed a specialized treatment and she couldn't give it to him in Cleveland. Would Cleveland let him just leave his contract? I really doubt it. In that case, Lebron would have used his wealth to give his daughter treatment in NYC or somewhere but he still would have stayed with the Cavs. If Lebron would have forced the issue and Cleveland was left with no choice but to buy him out (a very unlikely scenario), I would bet my last dollar that he would be booed if he would have went to the Knicks or Celtics or whoever and signed a contract there.

In the case of Fish, the Jazz decided that he wasn't needed enough to to do so, and the Jazz benefited by reducing his cap hit. It was a win-win situation for both the franchise and the player. Unfortunately, there are some thin skinned Jazz fans (justifiably so after all the crap the city has taken over the past few decades) who thought Fish was doing it as an excuse to get out of dodge. I don't believe that was the case. However, he could have stayed in Utah and his daughter would be fine. He just happened to get let out of his contract because it benefited both parties. No franchise would have let this happen if the player was locked into a good contract for the team and if the player was good. Conversely, most players wouldn't let this happen if the contract was good for them.

Tabasco · Post #126 » by **Tabasco** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:16 pm

Phoenix Rockets wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

we are the best team of 2008.

No you're not

Chubby Chaser · Post #127 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:19 pm

Nate505 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He did not have to leave town.

Say this wasn't Derrick Fisher, an ok NBA player but certainly nothing special.

Say this was Lebron James, and he wanted to leave Cleveland because his daughter needed a specialized treatment and she couldn't give it to him in Cleveland. Would Cleveland let him just leave his contract? I really doubt it. In that case, Lebron would have used his wealth to give his daughter treatment in NYC or somewhere but he still would have stayed with the Cavs. If Lebron would have forced the issue and Cleveland was left with no choice but to buy him out (a very unlikely scenario), I would bet my last dollar that he would be booed if he would have went to the Knicks or Celtics or whoever and signed a contract there.

In the case of Fish, the Jazz decided that he wasn't needed enough to to do so, and the Jazz benefited by reducing his cap hit. It was a win-win situation for both the franchise and the player. Unfortunately, there are some thin skinned Jazz fans (justifiably so after all the crap the city has taken over the past few decades) who thought Fish was doing it as an excuse to get out of dodge. I don't believe that was the case. However, he could have stayed in Utah and his daughter would be fine. He just happened to get let out of his contract because it benefited both parties. No franchise would have let this happen if the player was locked into a good contract for the team and if the player was good. Conversely, most players wouldn't let this happen if the contract was good for them.

Would you have stayed at work in a different state when your infant daughter was battling cancer and needed treatment in LA or NY? Most parents would not leave their daughter or family when a serious situation like this rises. Again, their are bigger things in life than basketball. To insinuate that Derek Fisher should have stayed at Utah and work while his daughter was fighting for her life in another state is just ridiculous. And to state that his daughter would of been perfectly fine if he stayed and played and she got her treatment in LA is just absurd. His daughter was diagnosed with a rare cancer disease that only had experimental procedures to TRY and cure it. So rare that only two of the largest cities NY and LA could accommodate her disease. This is cancer we are talking about, she's not having her tonsils removed. Caner is a deadly and serious disease. And for you to be so quick to dismiss this fact by saying "she would of been perfectly fine if he would of stayed in utah" is insulting to all the cancer patients living in the world. Get a reality check, their are things more important in life than basketball and the utah Jazz.

Chubby Chaser · Post #128 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:22 pm

Also, getting out of his contract did not benefit him. He is making considerably less with the Lakers than the Jazz

dingclancy · Post #129 » by **dingclancy** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:45 pm

^^^

Add the Malone parody when he first visited to Utah as a Laker. No wonder Jordan hated that place.

Chubby Chaser · Post #130 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:15 am

True. After all the insults shaq was calling the lakers organization, he still got a standing ovation his first game back at staples.

Storm Surge · Post #131 » by **Storm Surge** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:25 am

Rockets are 4 games back of 1st place, any team 4 GB of first place are legit contenders for WCF.

Nuff said.

Alex_De_Large · Post #132 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:37 am

don't try to justify something that is wrong, jazz fans are pathetic, that's all.

Nate505 · Post #133 » by **Nate505** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:59 am

Kobe D wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Would you have stayed at work in a different state when your infant daughter was battling cancer and needed treatment in LA or NY?

If it provided me the capital to get her treatment, absolutely. In fact, that would be a no brainer.

Most parents would not leave their daughter or family when a serious situation like this rises. Again, their are bigger things in life than basketball. To insinuate that Derek Fisher should have stayed at Utah and work while his daughter was fighting for her life in another state is just ridiculous.

I never insiuated that. I was glad when Fish got bought out. What I did insinuate is that if he didn't get bought out and didn't retire his daughter would have still got the treatment. He just would have been home about 25% less of the time to see her.

And to state that his daughter would of been perfectly fine if he stayed and played and she got her treatment in LA is just absurd. His daughter was diagnosed with a rare cancer disease that only had experimental procedures to TRY and cure it. So rare that only two of the largest cities NY and LA could accommodate her disease. This is cancer we are talking about, she's not having her tonsils removed. Caner is a deadly and serious disease. And for you to be so quick to dismiss this fact by saying "she would of been perfectly fine if he would of stayed in utah" is insulting to all the cancer patients living in the world. Get a reality check, their are things more important in life than basketball and the utah Jazz.

What the hell are you babbling about? "Insulting to all the cancer patients living in the world"? Wow, if jumping to conclusions were an olympic event you'd get the gold. My guess is that she would have traveled to LA or NYC to get the treatment or that Fish's family would have moved to LA or NYC. Amazingly, many NBA players live away from their families during the season. Carlos Boozer is doing it right now. His kid can't live in Salt Lake because she has sickle cell disease and the altitude of Salt Lake is not beneficial for that. He's not opting out of his contract or asking to be bought out. For one, the Jazz (and I dare say every other NBA team) wouldn't buy a player of his caliber out. For another, he wouldn't just retire and forfeit the millions he has and his career.

Nate505 · Post #134 » by **Nate505** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:00 am

Phoenix Rockets wrote:don't try to justify something that is wrong, jazz fans are pathetic, that's all.

Coming from a Rockets fan that's hilarious. Call me when you guys actually show up to your home games.

MrDollarBills · Post #135 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:05 am

Rockets have two cupcakes for superstars, they won't get past the first round.

MrCheerios · Post #136 » by **MrCheerios** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:09 am

How was what Fisher did wrong at all? He asked to forfeit his contract and the Jazz were more than happy to comply. He lost millions to spend more time with his daughter. Why boo him?

And how did the Jazz become such a prominent topic in this thread?

jzmagik · Post #137 » by **jzmagik** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:11 am

Nate505 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Coming from a Rockets fan that's hilarious. Call me when you guys actually show up to your home games.

What good are fans when your franchise has 0 championships to show for it :lol:

MrDollarBills · Post #138 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:13 am

MrCheerios wrote:
And how did the Jazz become such a prominent topic in this thread?

Probably because they're a better team than the Rockets!

"Cyclops" McGrady will wilt like a flower in 110 degree heat come May!!!

Nate505 · Post #139 » by **Nate505** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:33 am

MrCheerios wrote:How was what Fisher did wrong at all? He asked to forfeit his contract and the Jazz were more than happy to comply. He lost millions to spend more time with his daughter.

For the record, I have never claimed what he did was wrong and have nothing whatsoever against what he did and would not have booed him at the game. In fact, getting rid of his contract was very beneficial to the franchise and apparently it was beneficial to him. Seems like a win win to me.

That being said, some people have made it out to be a case of life and death for his daughter which is completely absurd.

Nate505 · Post #140 » by **Nate505** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:34 am

jzmagik wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What good are fans when your franchise has 0 championships to show for it

I don't know. Maybe there should only be 10 or so franchises in the league.