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Post#21 » by B Calrissian » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:32 am

dunkonu21 wrote:What if we could get an Amir Johnson, and some tiny larger contracts for Ratliff. I'd do that in a second.


We all would want to do that. But why would the Pistons have done that?
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Post#22 » by dunkonu21 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:38 am

Well who knows what they would do...I know they'd offer something if we were not straight up giving Ratliff to them.
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Post#23 » by B Calrissian » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:42 am

dunkonu21 wrote:Well who knows what they would do...I know they'd offer something if we were not straight up giving Ratliff to them.


I know what you mean. If we are just going to get rid of him we might as well have tried to trade him for something.
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Post#24 » by 4ho5ive » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:53 am

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Who exactly do you think we can get? Teams don't trade good young big men for expiring contracts.


Wow then Kwame for Gasol never happened? have i been dreaming the past 2 months?

Im not saying we get a Paul Gasol. We may not have even gotten a Patrick OBryant or Hilton Armstrong, but we could have gotten something.

I wish we would have just let him expire.
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Post#25 » by andyhop » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:53 am

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I know what you mean. If we are just going to get rid of him we might as well have tried to trade him for something.


Which would have led to the departure of one or more of Telfair,Gomes and Smith this off season depending on the incoming salary most likely 2 or all of them.I don't see any one attainable that would be worth that.
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Post#26 » by skorff26 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:08 am

and all the players that have been mentioned haven't been able to match ratliff's contract... who else would detroit give up, who would GS give up (their TE is too small for ratliff and anyway it cannot be combined with a player)

there is very little that mn could have gotten for ratliff unless they were willing to take on long term contracts (look at the expirings this year and you'll see my point)
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Post#27 » by skorff26 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:44 am

If Ratliff is willing to take 1 or 2 million less by all means do it... more than likely he won't be back next year and a) it saves the owner money, which I would like if I were him b) we could sign a young big and give him some minutes, also richard to see if they are worth a spot next year c) for ratliff to go and try to get a championship, he's an older player and we're not going to be winning in the next few years, let him go somewhere and try and win

-also i highly doubt ratliff would sign here for a cheap contract, a solid defensive D on a cheap contract, any team would want him and he'd go somewhere to try and get a title, not to help a rebuilding team... also he doesn't really have any long term ties here so he'd have no incentive to stay.
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Post#28 » by B Calrissian » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:54 am

andyhop wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Which would have led to the departure of one or more of Telfair,Gomes and Smith this off season depending on the incoming salary most likely 2 or all of them.I don't see any one attainable that would be worth that.


Considering what Gasol was traded for I think we could have gotten a player that would have made up for letting Smith go.

Is this supposed to happen tomorrow?
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Post#29 » by wolves_fan_82au » Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:51 am

i wonder what jefferson thinks of this ,didnt he ask for a big too help him out
i remember him saying that sometimes it feels like 2 on 1 in the post
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Post#30 » by andyhop » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:10 am

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Considering what Gasol was traded for I think we could have gotten a player that would have made up for letting Smith go.

Is this supposed to happen tomorrow?


Gasol is an exception though, how many other Gasol type big men have been traded for scraps?
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Post#31 » by wolves_fan_82au » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:25 am

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Gasol is an exception though, how many other Gasol type big men have been traded for scraps?


shaq was traded for crap (well it was crap at the time)

Ratliff/Gomes/Bos 1st for Gasol
hopefully get lucky in the draft get Beasley
Trade Walker and Buckner/Miami 1st to a team too get a great PG (do this the year after)

Gasol/2 rounder
Jefferson/Madsen
Beasley/Brewer
Foye/Mccants
?/Mle FA

was never gonna happen when we are rebuilding but if we wanted a quick fix than that could of been done
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Post#32 » by Worm Guts » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:33 pm

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Wow then Kwame for Gasol never happened? have i been dreaming the past 2 months?

Im not saying we get a Paul Gasol. We may not have even gotten a Patrick OBryant or Hilton Armstrong, but we could have gotten something.

I wish we would have just let him expire.


Here's the problem. If you trade Ratliff and get something decent, you ruin future cap flexibility and hurt our lottery chances this year. You've limited our ability to improve in the future.
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Post#33 » by Worm Guts » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:36 pm

wolves_fan_82au wrote:shaq was traded for crap (well it was crap at the time)


Shaq was never traded for crap.
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Post#34 » by Tpups21 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:37 pm

Could the new addition possibly be Chris Alexander?
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Post#35 » by mnWI » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:51 pm

Tpups21 wrote:Could the new addition possibly be Chris Alexander?

Lol, hell no.
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Post#36 » by dunkonu21 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:59 pm

Is it one of these guys MNWI?

Viktor Khryapa
Jelani McCoy
Courtney Sims
Brandon Wallace
Elton Brown
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Post#37 » by Tpups21 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:12 pm

I know Hoiberg is high on Andre Barrett, but do we really need another guard?
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Post#38 » by karch34 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:54 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Here's the problem. If you trade Ratliff and get something decent, you ruin future cap flexibility and hurt our lottery chances this year. You've limited our ability to improve in the future.


Exactly. Gasol would've been an upgrade, but he wouldn't be the final piece for a rebuilding team and we'd be up against the cap. We'd be better, but not significantly enough for any long term success.

We could probably have gotten a young big at a decent price but would've had to take a contract like Jarics or worse in addition to make up the difference in salary.

Ratliff expires and we're under the cap with some room to resign players and we still have expirings in Buckner and Walker to deal this offseason.
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Post#39 » by gold0259 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:09 pm

Nd ebi has been spotted at the MSP airport today, perhaps he is here for a workout with the wolves
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Post#40 » by revprodeji » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:10 pm

It is likely a 4 or 5 and MnWI cannot say.
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