why's everyone so hard on the nuggets?

[24K_Gold]

if you listen to some reports it's like people have just counted the nuggets out.but to me the suns and mavs haven't bben all the great either...more so the suns!

when it comes to other teams they seem to be able to use the injury card or transition phase for the trades to work but if I recall didn't nobody want to hear that when iverson 1st came to denver.

you hardly ever hear someone mention the denver is missing 2 of it's important players...both might have even been starters.to me the nuggets played their best ball when they had camby kmart and nene all available.and god knows that adkins is an upgrade over carter(who shouldn't ever see no more than 15-20 mins a game...if that)!

everybody's counted us out now...even most on here....and the others are either melo riders or ai riders that like to blame the other for us not playing well as of late(like some school age b!+:#es)

while all of the media outlets dog the nuggets out they need to be worried about their darling picks suns and mavs not getting in!

[MELO4MVP]

Carmelo
A.I
Camby

They`re all playing. Bringing up an injury excuse for how we're playing is pathetic. I love Nene, but Kmart is playing good in his absence and have filled in for him nicely. Atkins is a bum. We flatout suck right now, thats the bottomline. And Karl isn't the only reason why.

[MELO4MVP]

And as long as Denver is losing, the Suns and Mavs have nothing to worry about.

[Don_eMOCION#31]

Carmelo
A.I
Camby

They`re all playing. Bringing up an injury excuse for how we're playing is pathetic. I love Nene, but Kmart is playing good in his absence and have filled in for him nicely. Atkins is a bum. We flatout suck right now, thats the bottomline. And Karl isn't the only reason why.

martin plays well but isn't the body you have with nene out there. especially when you look at the rebounding. i think nene is the better rebounder and we really played amazing when all 3 were healthy this season. our defense was way better in my eyes.

i think he's right with our injurie problems. you have to look at the lineup. we filled the most difficult position in basketball with a guy who wouldn't start at any other team for so many games and we give him soo many minutes. another problem is that carter isn't dangerous with the ball in his hands.

the nuggets don't suck and it's not iversons nor melos fault they lost yesterday. it's the thing that we have no director on the field. no one like jose calderon, kidd, nash, paul. they impact the game with their passing. the problem is we give the ball in the players hands who is closest to the guy who has the ball (most time of the game).
If you look at the true point guards in this league... they know the players weakness and wouldn't give camby the ball at the 3pt line for example. i'm sure you know what i talk about. the point guard directs the offense and will give the ball to the guy who is nearest to his point where everybody knows he can make the shot from there.

a.i. isn't such a player because he is no point guard. he can make 10+ assists but they happen while he slashes to the basket and makes the other team double him then passing to the open man because he is so dangerous.

but a point guard like jason kidd for example isn't nearyl as dangerous with the ball in his hands as A.I. but he knows where to pass the ball to make a shot fall for somebody. and that's the problem, that's where we suck. because EVERYBODY out there gets the ball wherever he is on the field

[big123]

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martin plays well but isn't the body you have with nene out there. especially when you look at the rebounding. i think nene is the better rebounder and we really played amazing when all 3 were healthy this season. our defense was way better in my eyes.

i think he's right with our injurie problems. you have to look at the lineup. we filled the most difficult position in basketball with a guy who wouldn't start at any other team for so many games and we give him soo many minutes. another problem is that carter isn't dangerous with the ball in his hands.

the nuggets don't suck and it's not iversons nor melos fault they lost yesterday. it's the thing that we have no director on the field. no one like jose calderon, kidd, nash, paul. they impact the game with their passing. the problem is we give the ball in the players hands who is closest to the guy who has the ball (most time of the game).
If you look at the true point guards in this league... they know the players weakness and wouldn't give camby the ball at the 3pt line for example. i'm sure you know what i talk about. the point guard directs the offense and will give the ball to the guy who is nearest to his point where everybody knows he can make the shot from there.

a.i. isn't such a player because he is no point guard. he can make 10+ assists but they happen while he slashes to the basket and makes the other team double him then passing to the open man because he is so dangerous.

but a point guard like jason kidd for example isn't nearyl as dangerous with the ball in his hands as A.I. but he knows where to pass the ball to make a shot fall for somebody. and that's the problem, that's where we suck. because EVERYBODY out there gets the ball wherever he is on the field

I agree. You can't replace Miller with Carter and have Nene hurt and expect things to be significantly better. Miller to Carter is far worst of a downgrade than an upgrade JR to AI. Nene doesn't help either, especially when he's the only one who sets picks, plays man defense and is the only low post threat. You can run so many plays through Nene, ala kind of like a poor mans Duncan with the Spurs.

[MELO4MVP]

No matter who our point guard is, we'd still have the same problem. Our problem is A.I. It doesn't matter if Kidd or Miller was our point guard. I live in NY and watch the Nets often. As soon as Kidd crossed halfcourt, he'd pass to RJ or VC and let them set up the play. Thats the same thing AC does. I'm not saying AC is on their level, but the roles would be the same. Our problem starts and ends with A.I. The media is writing us off because we don't play team ball, mainly because of A.I. The media is writing us off because A.I. and Carmelo don't play off each other, mainly because A.I. The media is writing us off because our defense consist of gambling instead of guarding their man, mainly because of A.I. I agree with everything the media and opposing fans say, the Nuggets are going no where with A.I. A.I. is 66.7 percent of the problem and the fatman is the other 33.3%. And yes, I'm not going to blame Carmelo. His selfishness, which he stopped, came back because of A.I.

[MELO4MVP]

Hughes had a quote about the Cavs and he's going to take a lot of heat for what he said. And his quote express exactly how Carmelo is playing right now

[Don_eMOCION#31]

@ MELO4MVP

and the quote expresses the same things i think about you. i'm done with this garbage you always say. everytime the same stuff. eeevery siiingle time. it's time to push the ignore button i think... i can't stand reading your posts any more. no matter what the topic is about... it's aalways the same boring answer you give

[big123]

No matter who our point guard is, we'd still have the same problem. Our problem is A.I. It doesn't matter if Kidd or Miller was our point guard. I live in NY and watch the Nets often. As soon as Kidd crossed halfcourt, he'd pass to RJ or VC and let them set up the play. Thats the same thing AC does. I'm not saying AC is on their level, but the roles would be the same. Our problem starts and ends with A.I. The media is writing us off because we don't play team ball, mainly because of A.I. The media is writing us off because A.I. and Carmelo don't play off each other, mainly because A.I. The media is writing us off because our defense consist of gambling instead of guarding their man, mainly because of A.I. I agree with everything the media and opposing fans say, the Nuggets are going no where with A.I. A.I. is 66.7 percent of the problem and the fatman is the other 33.3%. And yes, I'm not going to blame Carmelo. His selfishness, which he stopped, came back because of A.I.

Dumbest **** I ever read. So Kidd=Carter now and NJ was such a great team this year they just had to get rid of him. Gimme a break with your logic or complete lack of.

[MELO4MVP]

Its the dumbest thing you read because you just looked at it and didn't read it

[24K_Gold]

melo4mvp,you must be the f*#king village idiot on this board!you remind me of this other melo nutt rider from the espn board and like on here everybody got tired of reading his bs!

[big123]

Its the dumbest thing you read because you just looked at it and didn't read it

So your just speculating then, so if it doesn't work with Carter, it can't for anyone else in the league. All hope is lost with AI because Carter is the answer, but AI is destroying it. LOL.

Maybe it wouldn't work no matter what, but how can you say it has no chance because it won't with the worst PG in the league. I mean if you say that, then all hope is lost for this whole team no mattr what, AI or not.

[airchibundo507]

melo4mvp,you must be the f*#king village idiot on this board!you remind me of this other melo nutt rider from the espn board and like on here everybody got tired of reading his bs!

are you talking about me, 24k?

I still remember you...

[MELO4MVP]

melo4mvp,you must be the f*#king village idiot on this board!you remind me of this other melo nutt rider from the espn board and like on here everybody got tired of reading his bs!

Well, when you speak the truth about A.I. you get called the "village idiot", well... I don't mind

[24K_Gold]

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Well, when you speak the truth about A.I. you get called the "village idiot", well... I don't mind

first off allow me to apologize for calling you the village idiot.you have every right to express your opinion no matter how off base I think that you are!

you seem to feel like the offense is the problem when that couldn't be further from the truth.defense is the problem and with that everyone is to blame...more so with ai and melo cause their the guys that everyone on the team follows.even camby has shortcomings on that end.it's almost like he refuses to show on the pick and roll which almost every time ends with a open jumper.and when the ball swings to his side he hardly ever closes out to contest the shot.

how could you not think that this team improved when their off to one of the teams better starts in history and compared to last yr they're 10+ games better this yr.

my point is that we added by subtraction.yea we got kmart back but we lost nene.we lost blake and we lost his replacement leaving us with 1 pg and a 2nd or 3rd string one at that.not sure if you remember when we had a stretch of games when the nuggs set a record every game with blocks and how bad we outrebounded teams with nene camby kmart and eddie all healthy.

offensively we had a true option on the block with nene(other than melo).plusno other big on our team runs the pick and roll better than nene.i'm not calling nene a savior but this teams misses what he brings to the table.just look at his size and frame and to still be that agile is something to talk about.and with chucky,all those open shots that cater gets and misses would be all net with him taking that same shot.no doubt that if they were available the nuggets would be at least 5 games better.

I still don't get your beef with ai other than he may play better than melo sometimes but that goes both ways.you should be glad that the nuggets have 2 options!

[Blame Rasho]

I think the fact that both Melo and AI had very high expectations and openly stated that they were capable of being a 60 win team overly inflated what were the Nuggets expectations coming into the season. You had talking heads like Steven A Smith saying that the Nuggets were his pick to get to the finals. The fact is that the Nuggets are a flawed team and it starts from the top... The Nuggets brass has left much to be desired when it comes to getting the correct players around Melo and a lesser degree AI. Karl in my opinion has wore out his welcome and you have not seen the Nuggets get to another level. His teams have always disappointed and perhaps the players need a new voice in the locker room. I think the quick fix is to just put Melo exclusively in the post( like 80% of the time) like TD and make him get defensive rebounds which he has done more and more this year given that the Nuggets bigmen have been gimpy. AI should Parker's role and not settle for so many jump shots. In the end it is Karl's Job to tell the players what their roles are... but he is just happy playing a full court game and lets the players do whatever they want when they* are in the halfcourt.

[AILebronMelo]

I think the fact that both Melo and AI had very high expectations and openly stated that they were capable of being a 60 win team overly inflated what were the Nuggets expectations coming into the season. You had talking heads like Steven A Smith saying that the Nuggets were his pick to get to the finals. The fact is that the Nuggets are a flawed team and it starts from the top... The Nuggets brass has left much to be desired when it comes to getting the correct players around Melo and a lesser degree AI. Karl in my opinion has wore out his welcome and you have not seen the Nuggets get to another level. His teams have always disappointed and perhaps the players need a new voice in the locker room.

I agree TD I always enjoy your insight because you know what you talking about. Karl never was a great coach to get a team to the next level. We are talking about a guy who had some good teams like the Sonics with Kemp,GP, Schemp and others and lets not forget about the Bucks with Cassell, Big Dog and Allen. The same way he coach now is the way he always coach run and gun style never calling any plays.

[pickaxe]

I'm not going to give up on this incarnation of the Nuggets until the final seconds of the last game of the season (when playoffs or playoff hopes are statistically over).

I like it when everyone is critical of the Nuggets' play because we want them to be a championship team, not a jumping-ship team. Just because we are critical doesn't mean give up on the season. Man that would be just too easy.

Yes, there are signs it isn't working and no one is doing anything about it....except the Nuggets haven't given up. They can still be clueless but they haven't given up yet.