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Post#41 » by drsd » Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:59 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:I think the problem with Otis is that he is greedy.


I accept how you came to this idea given how the Magic ended up with Lewis, and how they didn't end up with neither Hill nor Milicic.

But the total package on GM Smith must include trades. He is entirely frugal here. He has made two trades. One was Steve Franchise and the other was Trevor "my foot hurts" Ariza. That paucity in trades is not greed at all. That the expirings were not traded is often reported as overly non-greedy.

What do these two sum to? To early to tell.

What is clear is that GM Smith is cautious with trades, loves FAs, and hates rookies (the draft and draft picks included).
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Post#42 » by Gerhalt11 » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:04 pm

I do think it's funny is that one of the biggest complaints about John Gabriel was that he blew up the roster every season and never let a core group develop and jell, yet now that we have a GM who relies on that for success, he gets hammered, as well.
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Post#43 » by mhectorgato » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:10 pm

Gerhalt11 wrote:I do think it's funny is that one of the biggest complaints about John Gabriel was that he blew up the roster every season and never let a core group develop and jell, yet now that we have a GM who relies on that for success, he gets hammered, as well.


You can please some of the people some of the time ...

I'm sure you know how that finishes.
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Post#44 » by MagicNolesFSU » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:35 pm

Gerhalt11 wrote:I do think it's funny is that one of the biggest complaints about John Gabriel was that he blew up the roster every season and never let a core group develop and jell, yet now that we have a GM who relies on that for success, he gets hammered, as well.


True talk. Like i said some people just are not happy in less they are complaining about something.
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Post#45 » by akhenaten » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:25 pm

Fran gave every indication that he was coming over. He and his agent played us, plain and simple.


So the fact that Otis got played makes him a good GM? Isn't that the same as "not doing your homework"?

Otis has wasted far more assets than he has acquired, especially in the past year. Just because it's not affecting us this season doesn't mean it's not going to next season.

In the three drafts he has overseen, he has come away with one first-rounder who is currently on our roster -- and that's JJ, who B. Hill & SVG agree is not good enough to crack the rotation.

He wasted all our expirings at the trade deadline this year, and don't forget last year -- when he wasted the expiring, bloated contract of Grant Hill. Yes, we got Lewis, but the wisdom of that move might be debated as time goes on.

Every top team in the East improved themselves at the trade deadline except us. We still have a journeyman backcourt and no PF...and isn't this Otis's third year? How long is he going to wait?
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Post#46 » by mhectorgato » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:31 pm

akhenaten wrote:
Fran gave every indication that he was coming over. He and his agent played us, plain and simple.


So the fact that Otis got played makes him a good GM? Isn't that the same as "not doing your homework"?


Scenario: You're dating a girl.

She accepts your proposal.
She talks to her married friends about how it's like being married.
She looks bride magazines.
You bring her to your house and talk about how it will be decorated.
She's at the rehersal.
She's takes the pre-wedding photos.

When the ceremony starts, she's nowhere to be found. Later she says "I'm not ready yet."

Did the groom do his "homework"? Is it his fault she got cold feet?

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As others have said, Otis has done some good things and some things we perceive as dumb.
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Post#47 » by MagicFan149 » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:33 pm

for what its worth wasnt it twardzick that picked ol franny?? i think that the jury still has to be out on otis... hes made some solid moves and some not so solid moves... after this off season we will get to see what he does with the mle and the lle and also who he retains of the expiring contracts...

so far i would give otis a b- because we are playing well and on our way to winning the division... in my book that is a success
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Post#48 » by theTHIEF » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:35 pm

:roll:

this thread and all of the threads just like it...
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Post#49 » by maginno » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:50 pm

Gerhalt11 wrote:I do think it's funny is that one of the biggest complaints about John Gabriel was that he blew up the roster every season and never let a core group develop and jell, yet now that we have a GM who relies on that for success, he gets hammered, as well.


Is Gato passing around that juice? Who is this masked GM? Last year did I not hear that He liked Ariza and that signing Darko was one of two MAIN objectives of the offseason? Well he really blew up the PF slot and then traded his favored small forward. Now with Redick earning time on the bench before being traded thats three young guys that Otis liked for the future of the team.

NO Gm was going to move Dwight. Rashard is unmoveable and resigning Jameer for those dollars isn't looking too great now. You can't move Turk because despite Shard getting Franchise money if you move Turk this team would make a good run for a lottery pick.

Lets face it the most spectacular move of Otis was agreeing as an assistant to sign Dwight and moving Steve O. Thats it and Dwight wasn't on his watch and all indications are we were already moving in that direction. IF we grade Otis on the job of Gm in the years he actually was and is a GM then

On drafting Otis gets a D
On Fiscal responsibilities F
On first choice of Coach - D (being kind)
on getting Rashard - C+ (has to be handicapped for the way he has now hampered the team from getting better as evidenced this year and the years to come)
On sticking with a plan - C- Ariza and Darko were a part of that plan.
on trades - B (Moving Francis was very good. letting what he traded for just walk in the offseason very poor. Cook is a disaster but Evans is passable.)

Nothing there to rave about and a lot to question.
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Post#50 » by maginno » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:58 pm

mhectorgato wrote:
Did the groom do his "homework"? Is it his fault she got cold feet?

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IF you pick the girl you have some responsibility. Trying to run away from that is pointless.
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Post#51 » by mhectorgato » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:03 pm

maginno wrote:IF you pick the girl you have some responsibility. Trying to run away from that is pointless.


I just don't feel that way. If she's giving 100% indications all along - even going so far as hiring a wedding planner (aka an American agent) - then it's all on her.

If she said "I'm not sure if I want to go through with this" and you convince her to continue, then yes you would be culpable.

All indications in the press - which is where we're all basing our thoughts on - is that Francine never gave even an iota of hesitance on joining the team.
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Post#52 » by mttingly2391 » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:15 pm

I am a little late to this party, but everyone that is stating negative things about Otis is.....absolutely right.

He is not a quality GM. I have said this many times on this board. I like that some people are saying that Darko would be perfect on this team. I have been saying that all season. He would be great next to Dwight for the next 10 years. He is exactly what we need.

I'm not going to get into everything else about Otis, because I'm tired of doing that. He has made some good moves, but for everyone of those there is a terrible move that is being made by him. This team is very goo and fun to watch this year, but they are not built for a championship this year or in the years to come with their high salaries.
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Post#53 » by maginno » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:21 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I just don't feel that way. If she's giving 100% indications all along - even going so far as hiring a wedding planner (aka an American agent) - then it's all on her..


Doesn't matter. You still would have been a poor judge of character to select her because character people don't commit and back out. Otis failed to see the hold Europe (and those close to him had there ) had on the player he was going to draft. No matter what you try to say at the end of the day the buck stops with the GM who made the pick. IF he had a great record on other drafts then sure it would slide but - he doesn't.
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Post#54 » by Furinkazan » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:27 pm

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Post#55 » by MagicNolesFSU » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:53 pm

I winder how many 50+ win teams have GMs as terrible as some of you make otis out to be. Honestly do we have to get 70 wins for you to be happy? Or just 65+? Im just tryna figure out where we draw the line to suggest we are having a successful season.
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Post#56 » by theTHIEF » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:53 pm

it's not about wins...it's about moves...
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Post#57 » by MagicFan149 » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:55 pm

magic noles... youre still off it would have to be 82-0 for no one to complain.... infact youd probably still have people complaining about margin of victory.
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Post#58 » by MagicNolesFSU » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:56 pm

theTHIEF wrote:it's not about wins...it's about moves...


ROFL. Sorry, but winning is ALL its about....wow
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Post#59 » by mhectorgato » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:04 pm

maginno wrote:Doesn't matter. You still would have been a poor judge of character to select her because character people don't commit and back out. Otis failed to see the hold Europe (and those close to him had there ) had on the player he was going to draft. No matter what you try to say at the end of the day the buck stops with the GM who made the pick. IF he had a great record on other drafts then sure it would slide but - he doesn't.


I think it does, so there :naaa:

Now he's a poor judge of character. How many people are involved in the selection? Just Otis? Yeas I know he's ultimately responsible, but it's a committee matter.

Otis saw that Fran was talking to other former NBA players about playing in the NBA.
Otis saw that Fran was excited about playing with Grant Hill.
Otis saw that BHill spoke to his coach about him coming over - as they were/are very good friends.
Otis saw that Fran hired an American agent.
Otis saw that signed up for the draft.

Simply stated, he played us - gave every indication that he was coming over, but reneged on his agreement.

Yes Otis was the GM, or was he the co-GM. in charge, but I don't fault him for that move.

There are other blunders for which I do blame him for - and have been rather vocal about it also.
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Post#60 » by MagicNolesFSU » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:06 pm

The fran blunder is entirely on Fran. To Blame that on otis is reaching, trying to find anything to complain about if you ask me.
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