for all the people bashing otis

mhectorgato · Post #61 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:06 pm

theTHIEF wrote:it's not about wins...it's about moves...

I agree with you. How well we are doing is completely irrelevant and is to be summarily dismissed.

Post #62 » by **craig01** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:10 pm

Smith is still the GM?

mhectorgato · Post #63 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:11 pm

craig01 wrote:Smith is still the GM?

My people tell me that Dave is working the angles to get Otis' gig.

BTW - Arroyo is still on the team as well ;-)

MagicNolesFSU · Post #64 » by **MagicNolesFSU** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:15 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I agree with you. How well we are doing is completely irrelevant and is to be summarily dismissed.

word people are now saying winning doesn't matter? Honestly, don't completely lose your mind.

maginno · Post #65 » by **maginno** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:15 pm

MagicNolesFSU wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ROFL. Sorry, but winning is ALL its about....wow

You are right so when we win the Eastern conference finals or the Finals you can claim we have arrived. Wow! Seriously. This is freaking ridiculous. Winning a broken down rebuilding division is your idea of winning? Just by getting rid of Hill which we ALL knew long before Otis had to be done we would naturally improve and unless we were brain dead and didn't know ANY of the top players in free agency we would have had to have gotten a player with the cap space we had. 10 games better and with little space to make the moves to contend for a ring? Are you kidding me?

Every other team in the league is looking to contend for it all and Orlando fans are looking for a great season - AFTER TWO DECADES. :rofl:

I know. I know. Stepping stone. but Where are the rest of the steps? Problems with PG, SG and PF and the MLE for the foreseeable future. Things are all great.

Orlando clearly needs more sports teams. I think fans outside of the city have a clearer picture of what the long term goals of the team should be. We've actually seen teams do real winning.

spinedoc · Post #66 » by **spinedoc** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:16 pm

LOL, of course wins matter. Its all based on wins and performance. Its the only thing that lets you keep your job in professional sports. I don't agree with everything Otis has done, but a lot of these comments are simply ridiculous. He's at the bare minimum above average, and should keep his job, not in spite of the results, but because of them.

Post #67 » by **craig01** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:19 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

My people tell me that Dave is working the angles to get Otis' gig.

BTW - Arroyo is still on the team as well

Twardzik might be a good choice to replace Smith as GM.

I hear he has ties with some good Euro talent.

LOL.

mhectorgato · Post #68 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:19 pm

MagicNolesFSU wrote:word people are now saying winning doesn't matter? Honestly, don't completely lose your mind.

Pretty much. Otis inactivity at the deadline causes me to overlook the performance of the team and any good moves he made in the past.

MagicNolesFSU · Post #69 » by **MagicNolesFSU** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:19 pm

maginno wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You are right so when we win the Eastern conference finals or the Finals you can claim we have arrived. Wow! Seriously. This is freaking ridiculous. Winning a broken down rebuilding division is your idea of winning? Just by getting rid of Hill which we ALL knew long before Otis had to be done we would naturally improve and unless we were brain dead and didn't know ANY of the top players in free agency we would have had to have gotten a player with the cap space we had. 10 games better and with little space to make the moves to contend for a ring? Are you kidding me?

Every other team in the league is looking to contend for it all and Orlando fans are looking for a great season - AFTER TWO DECADES.

I know. I know. Stepping stone. but Where are the rest of the steps? Problems with PG, SG and PF and the MLE for the foreseeable future. Things are all great.

Orlando clearly needs more sports teams. I think fans outside of the city have a clearer picture of what the long term goals of the team should be. We've actually seen teams do real winning.

Ok i may be wrong but isnt the whole POINT of the NBA to win your conference finals and then the NBA finals?

Then Yes, i believe if we win the finals we have arrived.... now please tell me how im not correct?

maginno · Post #70 » by **maginno** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:22 pm

MagicNolesFSU wrote:The fran blunder is entirely on Fr
an. To Blame that on otis is reaching,

Of course because clearly Fran picked himself with our draft pick. He submitted the selection to the commissioner himself.

Like I said you could make it slide if the guy had a good record on the draft - he still doesn't. Case closed. It was his call and ANY GM has to take responsibility for the pick.

mhectorgato · Post #71 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:25 pm

maginno wrote:Winning a broken down rebuilding division is your idea of winning?

I agree somewhat with the rest of the post.

I think we've taken a big step forward this season. This is regardless of our division, but looking at the team's performance as a whole.

happypedro12 · Post #72 » by **happypedro12** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:26 pm

You are right so when we win the Eastern conference finals or the Finals you can claim we have arrived. Wow! Seriously. This is freaking ridiculous. Winning a broken down rebuilding division is your idea of winning? Just by getting rid of Hill which we ALL knew long before Otis had to be done we would naturally improve and unless we were brain dead and didn't know ANY of the top players in free agency we would have had to have gotten a player with the cap space we had. 10 games better and with little space to make the moves to contend for a ring? Are you kidding me?

Every other team in the league is looking to contend for it all and Orlando fans are looking for a great season - AFTER TWO DECADES.

I know. I know. Stepping stone. but Where are the rest of the steps? Problems with PG, SG and PF and the MLE for the foreseeable future. Things are all great.

Orlando clearly needs more sports teams. I think fans outside of the city have a clearer picture of what the long term goals of the team should be. We've actually seen teams do real winning.

Every other team in the league is not contending, as i recall only 16 teams make it to playoffs. Secondly, you want it all right now. This isn't NBA live where you just say "i want him" and its there. Darko left because of his ego, we re-signed Jameer because he is servicable and as I recall Dwight really likes him so Otis is trying to keep him happy (which we didn't do with TMac). What did you want otis to do, sign Kurt Thomas? would that have made us contenders, kurt thomas??? So kurt thomas was the answer to all our prayers. We were barely 2nd rd playoff team before, but with kurt thomas, now surely we will win a ring. Come on, you gotta look at the future.

Why can't people be happy for whats happening? Did any of you watch the 19-game losing streak?? We were TERRIBLE, now our fans are crying because we're not Detroit 2 years later. Jesus, give it time. I remember what it was like to watch every freakin loss that year, if what Otis is doing is wrong, I don't want to be right

OTIS FOR PRESIDENT!!!

maginno · Post #73 » by **maginno** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:27 pm

MagicNolesFSU wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ok i may be wrong but isnt the whole POINT of the NBA to win your conference finals and then the NBA finals?

Then Yes, i believe if we win the finals we have arrived.... now please tell me how im not correct?

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. Exactly. So until we do that you can't talk about winning. cause we have not won a thing but some games and every year EVERY team does that to varying degrees. Real winning is not seeding 4 or 5th its taking it all or at the very least being in position to legitimately contend for winning the East.

mhectorgato · Post #74 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:35 pm

maginno wrote:Of course because clearly Fran picked himself with our draft pick. He submitted the selection to the commissioner himself.

Like I said you could make it slide if the guy had a good record on the draft - he still doesn't. Case closed. It was his call and ANY GM has to take responsibility for the pick.

Question:

Is there any gray areas in discussing Otis? Or is it only black/white?

happypedro12 · Post #75 » by **happypedro12** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:35 pm

Orlando clearly needs more sports teams. I think fans outside of the city have a clearer picture of what the long term goals of the team should be. We've actually seen teams do real winning.

Yes clearly, because we just got running water and electricity last week here in FL. I heard about some guy named wilt chamberlin just now, is he good?? please oh large market sports fan, tell us ur infinite wisdom. Only big cities like NY and LA know what winning really is. That is of course you think of winning as a NY basketball team that has been a cellar dweller for the past few years and its coach going in and out of fights with its "star" player. I guess those big market sports fans really see the genius in signing old ass kurt thomas who, as everyone knows, "ain't good for S%*# on the block" (thank you joe budden). Please enlighten me oh great large market fan, what else you would have done, besides get old ass kurt thomas who can't even rebound anyway. please, just because ppl are in a large market doesn't mean they know anythin about 1 team

theTHIEF · Post #76 » by **theTHIEF** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:37 pm

it's only black and white, no bending logic Hec...and there is only one person who is right and logical around here, you are not him...

maginno · Post #77 » by **maginno** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:38 pm

happypedro12 wrote: now our fans are crying because we're not Detroit 2 years later. Jesus, give it time.

Time does not mean a thing. Time does not magically make a team better. The players on the court do. People are not complaining because we are not Detroit they are complaining because the moves this year have made it increasingly difficult to ever improve past the Detroits, the bostons and very soon with a high pick, Wade and breathing Space - The Heat. In fact Otis has made it difficult to improve much at all.

Sure some people just want to enjoy the ride. Thats fine but ask yourself. If you go to the playoffs with a great record and get bounced in the first round or even make it to the second and get swept. What would it matter? Basically your regular season record would just get exposed as meaningless. So its self evident that winning in the regular season doesn't matter beans unless you are in position to contend in the playoffs.

mhectorgato · Post #78 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:42 pm

maginno wrote:Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. Exactly. So until we do that you can't talk about winning. cause we have not won a thing but some games and every year EVERY team does that to varying degrees. Real winning is not seeding 4 or 5th its taking it all or at the very least being in position to legitimately contend for winning the East.

So can the Pistons talk about winning?

They've been legitimate contenders for winning the East for many seasons now. They won one championship, true. But how many times have the had the best record in the East to fall short? How many times have they had 2, 3 or even 4 guys starting the AS game?

Seems to me that people (speaking of the board in general) would still be complaining if we had that team/record as well...

maginno · Post #79 » by **maginno** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:46 pm

happypedro12 wrote:Yes clearly, because we just got running water and electricity last week here in FL.

Really? Thats odd cause I'm only a few hours out of Orlando and we've had it for years. Sure you live in Orlando my friends there and my visits indicate running water there as well.

That point didn't have to do with GMs. Any city can have one that stinks. But I guarantee you New York fans aren't going to ever be satisfied with a ten game improvement over this year.

mhectorgato · Post #80 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:47 pm

theTHIEF wrote:it's only black and white, no bending logic Hec...and there is only one person who is right and logical around here, you are not him...

I wasn't implying that. Simply that no matter what Fran did, it's all Otis' fault.