FD08: WE HAVE A CHAMPION!!!

[Teddy KGB]

well the deadline was like 5 or 6 hours ago so I'm assuming you should start judging now. a clear deadline was set and the people who didn't meet it should face the consequences

[mudyez]

well the deadline was like 5 or 6 hours ago so I'm assuming you should start judging now. a clear deadline was set and the people who didn't meet it should face the consequences

what ss said!...if someone wants to post another (late) text, its ok, but the already made judgements will be final!...hope everyone can post his judgements until friday at midnight, so we can move on to round 2

[Kosta]

After that write-up, I'm surprised you didn't give it to him in 3, U-Borat. This "offensive identity" you talk about, did you come up with it for Vintage? Because I don't recall him talking about what he plans to do offensively.

And what's with calling my players out as "gimps", both of those gimps have 8 championship rings between them.

[Kosta]

Just want to point out Andrew Bogut's numbers over the last 20 games or some, I think he's under the radar in Milaukee, and is just playing absolutely terrific this season.

14.4 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.8 bpg.

Season numbers: 13.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.7 bpg. Over 50% from the field.

Here's a thread talking about how great he's been since the new year.

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=749645

[Baller 24]

Lol, Judging looks like it may take awhile for this round, I guess the Judges aren't aware yet or either don't know that the competition has starts.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

Lol, Judging looks like it may take awhile for this round, I guess the Judges aren't aware yet or either don't know that the competition has starts.

I'm aware, I don't think I'll have time to judge tonight though. I should be able to get my judgings in tomorrow late afternoon/evening, though.

[mudyez]

Lol, Judging looks like it may take awhile for this round, I guess the Judges aren't aware yet or either don't know that the competition has starts.

they received the same mail as every GM, so they should know...not a third of their time has passed, so I dont worry!

[Kosta]

The Wizards hold too much of an advantage in the frontcourt. Bosh will absolutely abuse O'neal (who once again has been miscast as an effective post defender; he's an excellent, DPOY at help defence, but quite average one on one in the post defensively; plus he's noticeably lost a step this year)
Haywood will lock down either Bogut or Oneal, whoever is hot at that moment, as he is one of the league's best post defenders IMO. I believe that Bosh and Haywood are excellent complimentary players, who will quite easily outplay Oneal/Bogut.

Head to head match ups:


Jermaine O'neal vs Brendan Haywood

In 16 games. O'Neal has put up 20.3 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.8 bpg on 46% shooting.

In 16 games. Haywood has put up 8.6 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 0.8 apg, 2.2 bpg on 50% shooting.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... =onealje01

Jermaine O'neal vs Chris Bosh

In 10 games. O'Neal has put up 16.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.6 bpg on 44% shooting.

In 10 games. Bosh has put up 19.9 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.3 bpg on 46% shooting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... 2=boshch01

Andrew Bogut vs Chris Bosh

In 9 games. Bogut has put up 12 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 3.4 apg, 0.4 bpg on 56% shooting.

In 9 games. Bosh has put up 20 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 2.1 apg, 2.0 bpg on 53% shooting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... =bogutan01


Andrew Bogut vs Brendan Haywood

In 7 games. Bogut has put up 11 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 3.7 apg, 0.3 bpg on 52% shooting.

In 7 games. Hawywood has put up 7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.6 apg, 1.7 bpg on 53% shooting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... =bogutan01


If Washington puts Haywood on O'neal, that's trouble for them, he's clearly dominated him in the past. O'Neal also puts up good numbers vs Bosh. C.B puts up solid numbers vs J.O/Bogut, but it goes both ways, as both Bogut/J.O put up good numbers against him. I'd also like to note Bogut has broken out this season and is playing at a much higher level than years prior. Kind of like what Kaman has done in L.A, just to a lesser extent. Haywood can't shutdown either of my front-court players.

At SF, I'm also giving a small edge to the Wizards. Butler, while not quite as lethal a scorer as Carmelo (especially in the post), he's far more versatile, and is a far better defender. Thus IMO, Butler will outproduce Carmelo, plus he won't need that many plays run for him either.

Carmelo Anthony vs Caron Butler

In 10 games. Anthony has put up 25.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.4 spg on 45% shooting. Has also averaged 9 FTA per game vs Butler.

In 10 games. Butler has put up 15.0 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.2 apg, 1.1 spg on 46% shooting.

Carmelo has dominated this match-up. He's not just a little better offensively, he's a lot better. And can you explain to me how Butler "is far more versatile"?

At SG, its the battle of the two shooting stars, both originally from Milwaukee. This used to close, but Ray has dipped considerably this year. Even as a 3rd fiddle with Garnett and Pierce drawing doubles, he's shooting quite poor percentages and ppg. Redd on the other hand has upped his all-round game(4.6 rpg, 3.6 apg), and is simply a better shooter IMO. They are both quite poor defenders, so I believe that Redd's better shooting and better penetration will mean he will outproduce Ray.

They've only played 3 games vs each other, but Redd has outperformed him by a good margin in those games. But I think you're downplaying Redd's atrocious D here, Ray Allen is not a "poor" defender, he's pretty good defender, and he's significantly better than Redd. He's one of the main cogs on the best defensive team in basketball, that has to count for something. And did you really call Redd a better shooter than Ray?

[penbeast0]

First Round Opinions: Denver v. Minnesota

Inside play: I don't see a huge advantage either way. Jefferson has the moves offensively but Chandler is a guy easy to slouch off of to double inside. Z and West both are two way players and should give a slight edge to Denver's starters. Zo is the most talented guy off the bench but I can't see him as a difference maker this late in the game, Edge Denver

Outside scoring: Deron is a terrific player and Lewis is more of a threat than Odom but the Wade/Roy combo should even things up. I can't see Hill guarding either of them effectively. Very surprised Monta isn't the starter over Hill, his energy and defense give Minnesota the bench edge. Even

Playmaking: Deron is the only true playmaker, but the rest of Denver's starters are all superior passers, which is not true of the rest of Minnesota's. Edge Denver.

Rebounding: Jefferson and Chandler give an inside edge for Minnesota. Odom/Wade/Roy help make up much of it, neither bench is impressive. Edge Minnesota

Defense: The big weakness here is Grant Hill trying to stop Roy or Wade. Monta helps. I don't see Jefferson dominating inside nor do I see either him or Chandler doing a good job chasing David West outside. Benches are pretty even except Monta. Edge: Denver

Bench: Zo and Ben Wallace are both seasoned defensive players, neither set of forwards impresses, the backcourt edge of Monta gives the overall edge to Minnesota.

Intangibles: Minnesota relies on Al Jefferson and Deron. I can see Deron stepping up but Jefferson is still pretty raw. Denver has more vets in bigger roles. Edge Denver

Overall: DENVER

[dunkonu21]

How the heck do you call a dude who is averaging 21 points and 11 rebounds a game raw...That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You must not have been watching PHX much this year cause Grant Hill is a very good defender. I'm guessing you didn't read my summary either, because I said Grant would be guarding Brandon Roy, which he is more than capable of doing. You clearly need to watch Al Jefferson, if you even think he is on the same level as David West then you shouldn't be judging.

Try and have anyone the league guard Al Jefferson 1-on-1 and see where it gets you. He is a must double and when they do I have tons of shooting and slashing to make up for it. Poor choice, but w/e hopefully the other judges have some sense.

[Teddy KGB]

i think that he mentioned that chandler's offensive patheticness would allow for doubles on Al Jefferson.

Not adding anything new here, just re-iterating what penbeast said

[dunkonu21]

Thanks.

So regardless Al Jefferson is getting doubled. Does that mean my shooters will be less open?...Is Denver gonna double Jefferson with Z?...I'm pretty sure that'd be dumb cause Chandler is pretty good at dunking if you just wanna leave him open that's fine?....If you double with Z and then have someone rotate to cover Chandler then my perimeter is open. So penbeast you either think Al is not worth a double or he is, and if you think he is then my shooters should give me the edge. and if you don't think Al is worth a double then go get league pass and enjoy watching him put up 35 and 20 on Denver.

[NO-KG-AI]

Wizards

Brendan Haywood / Jeff Foster / Joachin Noah
Chris Bosh / Travis Outlaw
Caron Butler / James Posey
Michael Redd / Deshawn Stevenson
Jose Calderon / Kyle Lowry


Raptors

Andrew Bogut / Antonio McDyess / Kwame Brown
Jermaine O'Neal / Robert Horry
Carmelo Anthony / John Salmons
Ray Allen / Cuttino Mobley
Chauncey Billups / Jason Williams / Rodney Stuckey

I was looking at this matchup, and I see a lot of gross misconceptions here.....

Carmelo Anthony is an underrated defender by a lot, and Caron is overrated, and the way Carmelo is passing, and rebounding the ball despite his role in the Denver system is remarkable, he's excellent on the offensive glass, and a terrific player off the ball. Carmelo is going to outproduce Caron by a lot.

Bosh is not going to abuse O'neal, and Bogut has also been blocking a lot of shots this year, and they make a great shot blocking front court, with great size.

Ray Allen and Michael Redd are close, but Ray Allen is much better off the ball player, and would function almost exactly how Rip does coming off of curls with Chauncey, except he can bomb from long range.

With that said, Chauncey and Allen are both deadly shooters, and are going to make so much space for Carmelo, and Chauncey can get the ball to everyone in there right spots, and he can do a great job on Calderon because of his strength and athletic ability, and Calderon won't be able to guard him at all.

Dice is the best bench big on either team, Salmons is the best wing on either teams bench, and Williams/Stuckey>Lowry.

Melo, Allen, Mr. Big shot, and Big shot Bob are all more clutch than anyone on the other team.

This bothered me a bit, and I know my vote means nothing, but if you ask me, it looks like Raptors in 5, maybe even 4, I don't think it's that close.

[VintaGe36]

If its not too late, I'd like to finish a write up.

[Teddy KGB]

i think you can keep submitting write-ups until judges finish voting

[penbeast0]

Dunkonu . . .

(a) No, I don't think Grant Hill has the lateral quickness to guard Brandon Roy any more than I think he can guard Wade.

(b) I think since neither Jefferson nor Chandler is effective away from the basket that Z can guard Jefferson with help from West while staying close enough to get back to Chandler to prevent dunking . . . Jefferson's shooting and rebounding are good, though on a very bad team which inflates his numberes . . . his passing is not up to that level, he's a below average post passer.

(c) Jefferson is raw in terms of playoff intangibles, not regular season performance. We don't have a good baseline on whether he can step his game up; I don't think 7 games of poor efficiency in Boston proves he is a guy who steps up and carries a team in the playoffs . . . we have to wait and see.

[penbeast0]

First Round Opinion: Houston v. Portland

Big man offense: Shaq and Duncan v. Miller and Amare offensively is close to even. Miller and Amare have greater range and Shaq really has slowed down a lot. Can't believe I am saying this but edge Portland.

Wing and Point Offense: Iverson and Johnson are the volume guys, Josh Smith takes too many bad shots and lessens the efficiency for Portland. On the other side, Ford isn't that impressive but Hamilton and Jackson are a nice complement to Shaq and Duncan. Edge Portland.

Playmaking: Ford has the edge over Iverson, Jackson and Duncan have a strong edge over Josh Smith and Amare, the other two spots are pretty even and Jamal Crawford is not the answer to a lack of playmaking off the bench. Edge Houston.

Rebounding: Duncan and Amare are close but for the clutch rebound, I'd go with Duncan. Similarly, Shaq has slowed but still can push around Brad Miller. However, Smith, Johnson, and Iverson have a strong edge over Jackson, Hamilton, and Ford and neither bench is going to be a key. Push

Defense: Strong edge inside for Duncan and Shaq over Amare and Miller. Smith and Jackson are both excellent though Jackson is probably better out in space while Smith is more of an interior shotblocker. Neither set of guards are impressive, Prince off the bench helps Portland. Clear edge Houston.

Bench: Prince is the best player off the bench, a lot of solid talent but you don't want your only PG backup to be Jamal Crawford, particularly when your starting point is more comfortable at the 2. Push

Intangibles. Too many guys who need the ball in their hands on Portland, Houston should play much more like a team. Edge Houston.

The team play factor carries the day for me despite a really impressive writeup for Portland, Edge Houston.

[Warspite]

Trying not to complain but

1.No roster thread
2. 6 pages to go through with several posts of nonsense between writeups
3. Half the GMs havent writen anything.


I would pay money to have the writeups concurrent or in email form. Hunting former Nazis in Argentina is easier. Furthermore one GM didnt even name his team or give his lineups.

[penbeast0]

First Round Opinion: San Antonio v. Phoenix

Big man play: Biedrins and Garnett v. Okur and Martin. I like Okur's game better than Biedrins but Garnett has such an edge over Kenyon Martin that I have to give it to him. Edge San Antonio.

Wing and Point play: Nash dominates Hinrich who is having a poor year; he dominates Felton as well. Ginobili and Howard have the edge on Vince and Gerald Wallace but not enough to compensate for the two time MVP's high efficiency shooting and effect on teammates shooting. Edge Phoenix.

Playmaking. Nash has the edge here, but it gets much closer as Ginobili, Howard, and Garnett all are better passers than their counterparts (ok, Howard is a bit arguable but the others aren't). Biedrins isn't a match for Okur though and Nash again carries the day. Edge Phoenix.

Rebounding: Clear edge to the team with Kevin Garnett . . . San Antonio.

Defense: Garnett gives San Antonio the inside edge and both their wings are good, though not to the Gerald Wallace level. Add the edge at PG even in a bad Hinrich year and it's edge San Antonio.

Bench: San Antonio has a lot of solid bench players. Phoenix has clearly more talent in Granger, Lee, even Zach Randolph though I question how well Randolph will adapt. Still, Edge Phoenix

Intangibles: Garnett gives San Antonio a clear leader on the floor, and Howard and Ginobili are used to being excellent number two options. I think Vince and Zach might be a bit usage heavy on a team with as many scorers as Phoenix. Edge San Antonio.

Overall: I think this is Garnett's year, even against as deep a team as this Phoenix squad. Edge San Antonio.

[penbeast0]

Trying not to complain but

1.No roster thread
2. 6 pages to go through with several posts of nonsense between writeups
3. Half the GMs havent writen anything.


I would pay money to have the writeups concurrent or in email form. Hunting former Nazis in Argentina is easier. Furthermore one GM didnt even name his team or give his lineups.

For next round, let's put in a separate thread just for writeups and judging; I can do it or Mudyes can and one of us will sticky it