Who do you think will be in a different team by next season

[Abyss Impact]

I say Baron Davis. Monta is going to fill in the PG role, and we will start rebuilding under a new head coach.

Thoughts?

[BROWN]

If Baron opts out, he hopes to get a max contract and I don't think anyone is willing to give him one.

[mistatwo mayn]

Let me guess... Pietrus sticks around?

Abyss.... wow

[TB]

if baron stays (he'd be crazy to opt out) its a perfect situation for the dubs. Not only do we get another season from our leader, but we also create a much nicer transition from baron to ellis at the point (rather than just throwing him in as the opening day starter). Not to mention, the beard will be in a contract year, looking to get one last big money deal before he is done.

and, if all goes terrible during the first half of the season, we can use his giant expiring in a trade.

anyways, back to the original question, i think the following will be gone:

webber, cj, pob, pietrus and maybe azu. i think barnes will get a deal like pietrus got going into this year, a one year deal that we can use in a trade, or let it expire.

i actually would prefer to keep pietrus, not resign barnes, and either sign azu, or use him in a sign and trade to get the rights to a draft pick.. maybe the wolves 2 second rounders for azu and our second. then draft shan foster and pekovic to store in europe for a couple years.

[FNQ]

If we somehow kept POB it would symbolize something much better... if POB's a Warrior next season my faith will be completely restored in the brass... I'll rival hester on who's getting drunk on the koolaid

Pietrus needs to go... but keep this tear up. Sign n trade. At worst get a decent expiring player that could be used for trades to get better players, picks, whatever...

Watson, Buke, Barnes... all expendable. Should we resign Biedrins and keep playing Wright, I'd like Webber to stay as a 4... Buke I could go either way with.

Harrington needs to go... too much $. Jax stays. Baron can leave, I really wouldn't mind it. He plays like such a prima donna... no heart... I'd love to see a more efficient running team and w/losing Baron there's a chance we may get that.

But what's likely to happen?

Gone: POB, Watson, Buke, Harrington

QO for Biedrins

6 - 60 for Tay

3 - 15 for Pietrus

2 - 7 for Barnes

Baron doesn't opt out.

I wont even speculate who Al could get traded to, but I just have a feeling we won't see him beyond this season.

[old rem]

We are so good rotation players are expendable? we also toss out 2 recent lotto picks while we've yet to hardly see Belli and Kosta...and Wright's been visible now for about a week and a half. Great. Shake the tree and I'm just SO SURE we will get a half dozen replacements

We got NO spare $. We don't DO draft/develop. We got no trade bait.

Perhaps we'd want to think it over before we use the Grizzlies as a role model?

Adios Baron and Nellie? Back to the drawing board with Coach ? and minus the core guy. Wipe Pietrus-Barnes-Azubuike and Watson? So much for running game.

Yeah....the exit of Pietrus and O'Bryant is inevitable. The team sent a clear message that they are not expected back. They both see better opportunity elsewhere. It is not a PLUS....it just is a bridge burned.

Obviously Belinneli and Kosta are not "priority". Either or both may be traded-but considering the weak "showcase" job...I think there may be no tempting offers. With POB gone and Webber getting older by the minute....Kosta might be the only backup big. Of course....the W's COULD do something insane and find a way to lose Biedrins. I won't even speculate on how we compensate.

Harrington might be tradeable-but Nellie likes his outside shot and mobility. Al isn't widely seen as a major asset-is a bit underrated. Trade an underrated guy and you tend to get back less.

[old rem]

....and if Webber returns-it won't be as cheap ..plus his general zero production will be declining.

We need to hang onto SOME young assets and some depth. We are not going far if the bench is all rejects.

There's an illusion that just Monta-Beans + Wright will..alone..get us somewhere. The other 80% of the team......trust me..that will also be important.

IDEAL......Mullin convinces Nellie to adapt to reality and invest in the future. We'd keep a lot of what we have-improve each of them. We'd draft smart and the rookie's progress would be high priority.

Plan B....Nellie's not here a lot longer. We acquire/or keep,young talent. We do what we can to help them be ready when the next coach steps in. We do NOT clog the roster with some over-the-hill types that add little now and nothing later. An open roster spot can be a chance to discover an overlooked player/prospect who can be a keeper. We need some keepers..not this revolving door stuff.

[Sleepy51]

Pietrus needs to go... but keep this tear up. Sign n trade. At worst get a decent expiring player that could be used for trades to get better players, picks, whatever...

Can we still S&T Pietrus? I though he was UFA at this point, meaning no matching rights? Don't we have to just bid with everyone else for him, and if so, why would he help us by signing an offer that makes the team he WANTS to play for give up a trade asset for him?

Do I have UFA all wrong? I though he was basically renounced at the end of this season.

[WarriorFaithful]

Only teams that are under the salary cap can sign an UFA so if any team that is over the cap wants him they need the warriors to do a sign and trade to get him. (think Erick Dampier)

[Chris Cohan]

Pietrus will have interest from Miami, San Antonio, and Phoenix, to start.

One rumor had the Spurs ready to trade us the rights to Scola for Pietrus last year. Good thing we sat tight on our glorious financial flexibility and avoided any question mark European Stars with huge egos and no games.

[Sleepy51]

Only teams that are under the salary cap can sign an UFA so if any team that is over the cap wants him they need the warriors to do a sign and trade to get him. (think Erick Dampier)

Got it, we actually have to help him, if he wants to go to a team without capspace. Thanks.

But, does this mean we do have matching rights? I.E. we can sign him over the cap? or do we use one of the exceptions to sign him to facilitate trading him to the team he wants to play for?

[WarFan]

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Got it, we actually have to help him, if he wants to go to a team without capspace. Thanks.

But, does this mean we do have matching rights? I.E. we can sign him over the cap? or do we use one of the exceptions to sign him to facilitate trading him to the team he wants to play for?

We don't have matching rights, but we do have Bird rights so we can pay him anything, regardless of the cap, and immediately trade him to another team. The problem is that unless we free up some salary or end up spending significantly less than 16 million on Ellis/Biedrins next year, any sign and trade deal for Pietrus would put us over the lux tax. So I doubt Pietrus is going to get a S/T deal, besides teams can get him for the MLE or less anyways.

[floppymoose]

Right. The only S&T I see is if someone over the cap and no MLE wants to send us an expiring and a pick of some kind.

My guess is MP simply is on his own finding his next home.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

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Got it, we actually have to help him, if he wants to go to a team without capspace. Thanks.

But, does this mean we do have matching rights? I.E. we can sign him over the cap? or do we use one of the exceptions to sign him to facilitate trading him to the team he wants to play for?

I'm woozy and not remembering this well enough. Time for another stroll through the Bible of Coon. I know his unrestricted status says that no matter what we offer, he can choose to say no. What I don't remember is if we can offer him whatever we want after making him a qualifying offer.

I think these would be the relevant parts...

In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player by June 30. The amount of the qualifying offer for players on rookie "scale" contracts is based on the player's draft position (see question number 41). The qualifying offer for all other players must be for 125% of the player's previous salary, or the player's minimum salary (see question number 11) plus $175,000, whichever is greater. The qualifying offer must be for one season. A player can elect to accept his qualifying offer (the qualifying offer must be accepted by March 1) and play the following season under its terms. This is sometimes done in order to become an unrestricted free agent the following summer (see question number 38).

This part mostly says nothing more than describing what we did, and that it makes Pietrus a UFA at the end of the season. On to question number 38... hmm. Question 38 seems totally irrelevant. Maybe read about Bird rights in general. Let's see... I think this does it, re: Bird rights

The player must have played for three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination.

So I'd read all that to say:
* We have Bird rights to French Sexy, and can offer him any contract we want subject to the irrelevant limitations of the CBA (we can't offer him an 8 year deal, I guess).
* Whatever we offer him, he can choose to ignore us and go elsewhere
* This part describes how much The Future would cost against our cap until we either sign or renounce him.

[sanddude909]

Gone: POB, Watson, Buke, Harrington

QO for Biedrins

6 - 60 for Tay

3 - 15 for Pietrus

2 - 7 for Barnes

Baron doesn't opt out.

QO only for Biedrins?

I'll be disappointed beyond words if we don't re-sign him and Ellis in the off-season to long term deals.

The idea of not building around Ellis, Biedrins, and Wright by taking the risk that Biedrins will bolt as an unrestricted free agent is nauseating.

[giberish]

Only teams that are under the salary cap can sign an UFA so if any team that is over the cap wants him they need the warriors to do a sign and trade to get him. (think Erick Dampier)

That's only a factor if MP finds a team willing to offer him $10M/yr like Dampier got.

In the real world MP will get offered some (or perhaps all) of the MLE over 3-5 years.


Overall I hear so much talk about moves, but tend to be surprised when they actually happen. Therefore I think most players will be back.

Definately back:

Jackson
Biendrins (RFA, and the Warriors want and need to keep him)
Ellis (same as Biendrins)
Davis (if he opts out, who else has the caps space, need and fit to offer him a big contact???)
Wright

Probably back:

Harrington (it's tough to find another big who makes 3's like Al and doesn't generally suck (like Brian Cook), so moving him is less likely than people think).
Belinelli (tradable, but there aren't that many deals that fit for GS)
Barnes (Warriors likely resign for ~$3.5M/yr. If he gets offered a lot more elsewhere he leaves and some other wing reserve is signed in his place. But he likely stays as I don't see another team offering a full MLE deal).
Azibukie (Same as Barnes, except only offered ~$2M/yr)
Perovic

Probably gone:
Watson
Webber
Croshere (GS probably reshuffles the deck among minimum salary deep reserves, but someone might stay)

Definitely gone:
Pietrus
O'Bryant

[crzy]

Pietrus to San Antonio
POB to Minnesota.

[FNQ]

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QO only for Biedrins?

I'll be disappointed beyond words if we don't re-sign him and Ellis in the off-season to long term deals.

The idea of not building around Ellis, Biedrins, and Wright by taking the risk that Biedrins will bolt as an unrestricted free agent is nauseating.

I believe Biedrins can be convinced to stay so long as Nellie leaves... if Nellie remains coach next year, I'm expecting a QO. If he isn't, I'd expect Mully gives the kid what he deserves

[floppymoose]

The Beans-Nellie angle is way overplayed here. Beans wants to say a Warrior.

[crzy]

Beans is NOT getting the QO. That would be beyond insane.