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Post#1 » by Twinkie defense » Sun Mar 9, 2008 11:54 am

Warriors coach Don Nelson might not be calling on rookie Brandan Wright much now that Andris Biedrins is back, but the coach insists his 6-foot-9 forward showed enough during the past two weeks to earn playing time down the road.
"Absolutely," Nelson said.

Though Wright did not play against the Magic and isn't likely to see significant minutes as long the Warriors are healthy, he said the biggest lesson learned from his fill-in stint was to be geared up to go when needed.
"Just be prepared when you step on the court, because if you're not ready, you might have a bad start," Wright said.

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Post#2 » by turk3d » Sun Mar 9, 2008 5:46 pm

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Warriors coach Don Nelson might not be calling on rookie Brandan Wright much now that Andris Biedrins is back, but the coach insists his 6-foot-9 forward showed enough during the past two weeks to earn playing time down the road.
"Absolutely," Nelson said.

Though Wright did not play against the Magic and isn't likely to see significant minutes as long the Warriors are healthy, he said the biggest lesson learned from his fill-in stint was to be geared up to go when needed.
"Just be prepared when you step on the court, because if you're not ready, you might have a bad start," Wright said.

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Post#3 » by Subaculta » Sun Mar 9, 2008 6:07 pm

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Sucks.


it does suck. I'm just catching up on some game watching and BW looked amazing during the first quarter of the Philly game.

I understand Nelson not carving out 25-30 mins a game right now, but why not at least try to get Brandan 10 mins a game?
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Post#4 » by Mylie10 » Sun Mar 9, 2008 10:42 pm

Brandan has proved that he makes a difference out there. He deserves a consistant role, not a "well I may use you again some day, so be ready.

A consistant role is what helps players get into a rythm. They need that for their game preparation. I still think we would have beat Orlando had BW played 10 minutes, but that's just me.

I like Barnes, but what has he done to deserve more time than BW?

Even Croshere. He's alright and a help from time to time, but he's had a career of not knowing when he'll play, so I'd feel better about him getting the spot minutes while the rookie gets into some consistancy.
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Post#5 » by bballguy50 » Sun Mar 9, 2008 11:31 pm

It seems like Nellie is gonna start to shorten the bench minutes for the most part though. Maybe it was because we played a good team in Orlando. But if the bench minutes are going to be down like yesterday, and our big 3 have to play 40+ pretty much every night from here on out, then I'll be pissed at Nellie. Especially when our bench showed they can step in and play decently when Beans was out.
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Post#6 » by FNQ » Sun Mar 9, 2008 11:35 pm

Why is this still news and shocking to people??

Wright isn't a Nellieball player... he doesn't expand the floor and isn't a C that can defend the rim consistently. So Nellie doesn't have use for him right now.
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Post#7 » by Subaculta » Sun Mar 9, 2008 11:46 pm

510Reggae wrote:Why is this still news and shocking to people??

Wright isn't a Nellieball player... he doesn't expand the floor and isn't a C that can defend the rim consistently. So Nellie doesn't have use for him right now.



I don't think it's "shocking" to everyone. I think it's just a disappointment that quickly fades when you look at the standings.

For me it's like this... I like ice cream, but I can't eat it every night. Sometimes I get bummed out that I need to eat responsibly, but then I remember where eating responsibly gets me.

I like Brandan Wright, but he's young and is both earning his way into the league, and learning to play the NBA game. I love seeing him in the games, and I'm bummed out that he isn't getting 20 mins a game, but I'd prefer to see him brought up right.

Brandan Wright... the man has tons of potential, and here's the good news, you get to see more and more of that potential realized over the next few years.
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Post#8 » by FNQ » Sun Mar 9, 2008 11:51 pm

What is right for him though? That's the $$$$ question...

His fundamentals are excellent, he knows what to do with the ball when he gets it, and he's quick and long enough to make up for his rookie mistakes.

The only thing that will really elevate him is strength and PT. Strength you can assume is coming, but the PT really needs to be there as well..

So if thats not it, then is it that Wright is a liability? No more of a liability than Barnes is a lot of the time... the there's only one difference... a 3 ball :banghead:

That's why I'll never understand why Nellie doesn't give Wright at least 10 a game... and it sounds awfully similar to the case of POB v Mbenga from earlier in the year. Except no one knows why that went down, at all.
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Post#9 » by rone415 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:41 pm

Warriors coach Don Nelson might not be calling on rookie Brandan Wright much now that Andris Biedrins is back, but the coach insists his 6-foot-9 forward showed enough during the past two weeks to earn playing time down the road.
"Absolutely," Nelson said.

Read this again. Nelson is actually saying BW will get some PT down the road. BW didn't see minutes against the ORL cause it was a bad match up for him all around. BW wouldn't have been able to guard Super Man, Hedo or RL, couldn't spread the floor so he didn't play. Yes, Cro and AL had bad shooting nights but they kept Super Man from guarding the rim most of the time. I expect BW to get atleast 10-15 minutes against Tor on Wed.
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Post#10 » by yehyeh82 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:01 pm

I agree with Rone. While Wright is good at switching and defending the perimeter player from time to time, asking him to guard either Rashard or Turkoglu on the perimeter was a recipe for disaster, and I believe this defensive matchup is more of a reason why he didn't play more than the offensive reasoning. Against Toronto, he can match up on whatever scrub center they have in or even Bosh, who has more of a low post/high post game than perimeter, which I believe suits Wright better on the defensive game. i will be more upset if he doesn't get into this one, especially with it being at home, where he has played better this season.
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Post#11 » by mistatwo mayn » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:36 pm

Nellie cares more about DEFENSE than offense... if you can't switch, rotate, or are a bad defensive matchup, you won't run.
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Post#12 » by FNQ » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:39 pm

mistatwo mayn wrote:Nellie cares more about DEFENSE than offense... if you can't switch, rotate, or are a bad defensive matchup, you won't run.


Completely false or CJ Watson/Buke would have never seen the floor.

He only cares more about defense if you can't spread the floor..
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Post#13 » by FNQ » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:44 pm

Wait... why is Wright a bad matchup on Shard and Turk? The best way to stop them is to not let them get clean looks... our young, long hybrid forward couldn't stop that?

Nellie still doesn't trust Wright, plain and simple... the ORL game is an ideal place to create the quick down low mismatches... take Chris Bosh as an example, he's torched the Magic this year because he's quick down low and that negated Howard's strength offensively. Shard and Turk do not know how to guard the low post...

We won anyways because ORL's just a good team, not great... their whining about lack of respect? Get a PG first, then worry about respect.. another post option for Dwight wouldnt kill em either.
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Post#14 » by mistatwo mayn » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:45 pm

Counter!

how did mbenga spread the floor?

Of course Nellie doesn't trust Wright in tight games.
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Post#15 » by yehyeh82 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:16 pm

And I don't trust Wright guarding perimeter players, especially potential all-stars like Shard and Turk, possession after possession yet. He does well in the limited experience when he switches on pick and rolls, but AI don't see that translating quite yet to being able to defend over and over against a player of Shard's caliber. I just see how J-Rich schooled him on the perimeter in the Bobcat, then translate that against a guy who is just as tall and almost as long as Wright with the same perimeter game of J-Rich and see that it would probably be a losing battle. At this point in his career, Wright needs to do what he is good at, and that is protecting the rim and defending the pick and roll, and he wouldn't of been able to do either guarding Shard all night. That's not a knock on his talent, but a knock on his experience.

In a few years, in game of that magnitude, I would have no problem putting him on a Shard type player, but we can't risk seeing if he can keep up at this point. That's just how I feel, and I felt that way before the game. This team is a bad matchup for a skinny rookie just starting to get playing time.
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Post#16 » by yehyeh82 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:18 pm

And just because I felt that way about the Magic game doesn't mean I'm a Nellie Kool-Aid drinker. i felt he used Wright wrong in the Miami game and that he should have played him a lot more, especially early. As opposed to the Magic game, Miami was a good matchup overall for Wright.
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Post#17 » by turk3d » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:24 pm

J-Rich schooled Wright? If anything, he schooled the entire Warriors team. Why in the world would Nellie have him playing Wright? I missed the second half of the game but if Nellie was dumb enough (which I can't believe he was) to put Wright on J-Rich when he has Baron, Pietrus, Jack, Bukie and even Monta or Barnes who were all these other guys guarding. I do sort of recall Wright making a nice rejection on Durant (similar to Rashard) so if t hat's any indication of how he might have done on Shard I'd have to see it before I came to any conclusion. I could see him have trouble with Turkoglu (seemed like whoever was guarding had some difficulty as well) because of his epxerience, but so far I haven't seen Wright dominated by anyone in the minutes that I've seen him play.
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Post#18 » by turk3d » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:24 pm

J-Rich schooled Wright? If anything, he schooled the entire Warriors team. Why in the world would Nellie have him playing Wright? I missed the second half of the game but if Nellie was dumb enough (which I can't believe he was) to put Wright on J-Rich when he has Baron, Pietrus, Jack, Bukie and even Monta or Barnes who were all these other guys guarding. I do sort of recall Wright making a nice rejection on Durant (similar to Rashard) so if t hat's any indication of how he might have done on Shard I'd have to see it before I came to any conclusion. I could see him have trouble with Turkoglu (seemed like whoever was guarding had some difficulty as well) because of his epxerience, but so far I haven't seen Wright dominated by anyone in the minutes that I've seen him play.
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Post#19 » by yehyeh82 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:04 am

turk3d wrote:J-Rich schooled Wright? If anything, he schooled the entire Warriors team. Why in the world would Nellie have him playing Wright? I missed the second half of the game but if Nellie was dumb enough (which I can't believe he was) to put Wright on J-Rich when he has Baron, Pietrus, Jack, Bukie and even Monta or Barnes who were all these other guys guarding. I do sort of recall Wright making a nice rejection on Durant (similar to Rashard) so if t hat's any indication of how he might have done on Shard I'd have to see it before I came to any conclusion. I could see him have trouble with Turkoglu (seemed like whoever was guarding had some difficulty as well) because of his epxerience, but so far I haven't seen Wright dominated by anyone in the minutes that I've seen him play.


The J-Rich thing came on a switch. It was just an indication of how he could have problems defending perimeter players.

The Durant block was nice, but Durant is not near the player that either Turk or Shard are yet. He doesn't have the experience. I am fine with Wright guarding players like that. I just don't trust him guarding all-star perimeter players on good teams in must win games yet. I don't see what is so wrong with that. He's a rookie and should get his minutes versus mediocre teams, preferably playing down low cause that's where he is most comfortable. In a game we need against a good team whose 4's are perimeter players and whose center is an absolute beast I don't have a problem with him not getting minutes. Getting 1 minute against a crappy Heat team before garbage time I do have a problem with. That's just how I feel.
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Post#20 » by FNQ » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:01 am

mistatwo mayn wrote:Counter!

how did mbenga spread the floor?

Of course Nellie doesn't trust Wright in tight games.


Counter Counter!

How often did Biedrins / Mbenga share the floor? :D

Nah but really, Wright's able to guard those types of players, even 'all-stars' like Hedo and Shard... in Hedo's case, the ' ' don't apply. But Shard? Man what an overrated cat that guy is... black Peja :nod:

Wright's length bothers shooters a lot, the fact that he's semi aggressive in trying to get blocks too? Shard has never liked that... if Wright's agile enough to follow Shard around w/o the ball, and I believe he is, I think he's a great fit for defense on Shard..

Dont compare JRich to these two... these two don't like to get their own shot off. JRich spent 5 years having to create his own shots consistently, and now that's all he knows.

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