Bianchi: John Weisbrod Deserves Some Credit

[mfishy]

The title is "Weisbrod deserves SOME credit". Of course he does. He also deserves some blame. You cannot blame someone for all the bad moves and not credit him with the better ones.

Weisbrod sucked. Otis sucks too. It's difficult to debate this and kinda old.

I am still a fan of the shard siging even though he effed up every single aspect of it and then proceeded to not even use the damn expirings, but Otis has no savvy at all and weisbrod was a hatchet man....let's get a good GM in there and be done with this. AT least one that I can understand when he speaks

[mhectorgato]

The title is "Weisbrod deserves SOME credit". Of course he does. He also deserves some blame. You cannot blame someone for all the bad moves and not credit him with the better ones.

Weisbrod sucked. Otis sucks too. It's difficult to debate this and kinda old.

I am still a fan of the shard siging even though he effed up every single aspect of it and then proceeded to not even use the damn expirings, but Otis has no savvy at all and weisbrod was a hatchet man....let's get a good GM in there and be done with this. AT least one that I can understand when he speaks

The question I have is this:

At what point in time, or what level of success do we need to achieve, before our GMs get credit for putting together a good team and not just that they "lucked into a good team"?

What if we make it to the ECF this season?

What if Otis makes minimal moves this off-season and we win the ECF next season?

[HeyIt'sMe]

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Not just in retrospect. The opinion on the trade here was resoundingly negative if i remember correctly.

Wallace wouldn't of been a better fit here because he can't shoot like Lewis and Rashard helps space the floor for Dwight.

[Devin 1L]

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Wallace wouldn't of been a better fit here because he can't shoot like Lewis and Rashard helps space the floor for Dwight.

We should have signed Gerald Wallace and then the best three point shooter in history -- Jason Kapono. That's what a smart GM would have done. Therefore, Otis is dumb.

[TooNice00]

gerald wallace would have been a horrible signing. he turns the ball over, can't shoot threes, and his playing style is prone to injuries. and kapono just sucks at everything but shooting.

[mhectorgato]

Wallace wouldn't of been a better fit here because he can't shoot like Lewis and Rashard helps space the floor for Dwight.

While I agree - and richboy did as well in another thread , not sure what Wallace has to do with the Mobley/Christie trade?

[HeyIt'sMe]

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While I agree - and richboy did as well in another thread , not sure what Wallace has to do with the Mobley/Christie trade?

I misquoted him.

[maginno]

At what point in time, or what level of success do we need to achieve, before our GMs get credit for putting together a good team and not just that they "lucked into a good team"?

What if we make it to the ECF this season?

What if Otis makes minimal moves this off-season and we win the ECF next season?

Well you answered your own question. When he achieves something that he can actually take credit for.

A huge part of this teams success is Stan Van Gundy. And Otis certainly backed into that choice. When JJ gets his rear end off the bench he might have a good pick but that hasn't happened so those trying to float that as a proven good pick for the Magic (eh Gato?) fall flat on their face until he gets some playing time and shows what he can do, Finally with a number of obvious choices in the off season he mucked it up by overpaying Shard and letting Darko walk for zip. Not to mention he's on record wondering why people say we need another PF when he already got Cook

At what point will Otis lovers stop trying to defend a poor record? answer? Never. anyway its heartening to see a number of people who can now see that Otis needs to go. We have yet to find our championship level GM.

Or are those my 11th 12th and 13th user id? Wheres Devin to check IP addresses?

[aleZ]

Otis has no savvy at all and weisbrod was a hatchet man....let's get a good GM in there and be done with this. AT least one that I can understand when he speaks

At first I thought it was me (being foreign) but a lot of you guys are joking about Otis' mumbling speeches, I guess he's really hard to understand and It's not my fault after all

[MagicalMan]

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At what point will Otis lovers stop trying to defend a poor record? answer? Never. anyway its heartening to see a number of people who can now see that Otis needs to go. We have yet to find our championship level GM.

Or are those my 11th 12th and 13th user id? Wheres Devin to check IP addresses?

I was as pissed as anyone when we failed to move expirings at the deadline. However, I doubt people will stop defending Otis until the team fails. And so far they keep getting better (regardless of if you think its due to Weisbrod or Smith). As long as this team wins, people will support him.

IP's can be masked by proxies so IP checks are only useful to a point. Anyone with intermediate internet knowledge knows how to mask an IP.

[maginno]

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I was as pissed as anyone when we failed to move expirings at the deadline. However, I doubt people will stop defending Otis until the team fails.

Don't have too much longer to make that claim then. Because unless you think we are going all the way this year it will eventually fail. We made the playoff s last year with a joke of a coach. Throw a dart at the top names in last offseason's free agency and we would have picked up a good piece or two. Just by virtue of those things we should be 10+ games better. So the real test is if this team can actually contend in the playoffs. theres a reason why people here are whining about not being ranked up there with Cleveland (Boston and Detroit are a given). Most people outside see the weak areas of the team a lot better. The Cavs have a guy that can actually turn it up.

I believe in this team enough to think that with some good moves this offseason and maybe even at the trading deadline we could have really made a good run. We'll see.

IP's can be masked by proxies so IP checks are only useful to a point. Anyone with intermediate internet knowledge knows how to mask an IP.

Yes of course. Every one who doesn't like the job Otis has done is actually the same person masking their IP And yes that is what a few of the regulars here have tried to float - posters who agree in not liking Otis as a GM are actually the same person. Of course no one believes it - its just a slander attempt because they don't like the facts.

[spinedoc]

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I was as pissed as anyone when we failed to move expirings at the deadline. However, I doubt people will stop defending Otis until the team fails. And so far they keep getting better (regardless of if you think its due to Weisbrod or Smith). As long as this team wins, people will support him.

IP's can be masked by proxies so IP checks are only useful to a point. Anyone with intermediate internet knowledge knows how to mask an IP.

I'm right there with you, well said. Otis certainly is not the best gm in league history, but by contrast he certainly isn't the worst either. The man deserves to keep his job.

Many of us said at the time that Weis was the hatchet man, and I totally supported him coming in and moving Tmac. Anyone who disrespects this franchise should be shoved out the door, superstars included. At the bare minimum, this team and the fans deserve players that want to be here first and foremost.

[MagicalMan]

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Yes of course. Every one who doesn't like the job Otis has done is actually the same person masking their IP And yes that is what a few of the regulars here have tried to float - posters who agree in not liking Otis as a GM are actually the same person. Of course no one believes it - its just a slander attempt because they don't like the facts.

Come down off the cross now, I wasn't crucifying you. I was simply pointing out that anyone (I didn't say you) can mask their IP. The people that get caught just aren't that bright.

[spinedoc]

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Yes of course. Every one who doesn't like the job Otis has done is actually the same person masking their IP And yes that is what a few of the regulars here have tried to float - posters who agree in not liking Otis as a GM are actually the same person. Of course no one believes it - its just a slander attempt because they don't like the facts.

You have no sense of the history of this board. Its an inside joke that you don't understand, because it is based on something that happened before you came here. Its not an attempt at slander, and it certainly isn't because we don't like facts, when we see any that is.

[Devin 1L]

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Yes of course. Every one who doesn't like the job Otis has done is actually the same person masking their IP And yes that is what a few of the regulars here have tried to float - posters who agree in not liking Otis as a GM are actually the same person. Of course no one believes it - its just a slander attempt because they don't like the facts.

I don't need to slander you, you do a fine job of making yourself look bad.

For the record, the topic which you have been constantly referring to...I wasn't even talking about you. I was pointing out the irony of how you were joking about other people having multiple identities, yet you side your massive ego with, of all people, richboy -- who has not only been caught once, but twice, posting under multiple screen names.

Lastly, having multiple IPs has nothing to do with whether you love or hate Otis, and that isn't the reason that regulars occasionally suspect masked IPs. It is, however, because a rather large percentage of people who appear out of nowhere, disagree with virtually everything that everyone else says, and has seemingly no purpose but to stir up trouble, turn up as...you guessed it, multiple accounts!

Now you may step off your fantasy throne and cut the cries of slander. Of all people, you should be one of the last to call out someones integrity considering you make an attempt to put someone down in virtually every one of your posts.

[maginno]

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You have no sense of the history of this board. Its an inside joke that you don't understand, because it is based on something that happened before you came here. Its not an attempt at slander, and it certainly isn't because we don't like facts, when we see any that is.

You haven't noticed ?I don't care about your inside history. It has no relevance to what I am referring to and doesn't justify anything. Unless you have some omniscience of all board posts then you don't have a clue of what I am referring to. People have actually insinuated that I post under more than one user Id which is false. Only in your irrational world is slander legitimately excused based on an inside joke. This is a realgm board not your personal fraternity. How long you are posting doesn't bestow any meaningful differences when excusing false accusations. Time to develop a more rational morality.

[spinedoc]

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You haven't noticed ?I don't care about your inside history. It has no relevance to what I am referring to and doesn't justify anything. Unless you have some omniscience of all board posts then you don't have a clue of what I am referring to. People have actually insinuated that I post under more than one user Id which is false. Only in your irrational world is slander legitimately excused based on an inside joke. This is a realgm board not your personal fraternity. How long you are posting doesn't bestow any meaningful differences when excusing false accusations. Time to develop a more rational morality.

Clueless, but consistent. You might want to take a look at Devin's post ^^^. It could be helpful to you.

[maginno]

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Clueless, but consistent. You might want to take a look at Devin's post ^^^. It could be helpful to you.

I already did and pointed out the central error. However he seems to have removed it. Fact is I wasn't referring to that incident he referenced but to a general pattern stretching back at least ten different threads over months. Same accusations. So his resoonse was off base as is bringing it up in threads he doesn't like what is being said. I however doubt that that fact will be helpful to you given the truly consistent cluelessness you are both accusing and guilty of. I think we've established no love or respect is lost between us so why run from thread to thread rehashing the same?

Suffice to say there are plenty of people that don't like the job Otis has done and they are not all the same user masking their IP.

[MagicalMan]

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I already did and pointed out the central error. However he seems to have removed it. Fact is I wasn't referring to that incident he referenced but to a general pattern stretching back at least ten different threads over months. Same accusations. So his resoonse was off base as is bringing it up in threads he doesn't like what is being said. I however doubt that that fact will be helpful to you given the truly consistent cluelessness you are both accusing and guilty of. I think we've established no love or respect is lost between us so why run from thread to thread rehashing the same?

Suffice to say there are plenty of people that don't like the job Otis has done and they are not all the same user masking their IP.

Unfortunately that pattern will continue because your opinions are in the minority (not this thread, just the negativity in general). There's usually a couple of posters who like to "stir the pot" and when a new one comes along some people will conclude that they're just the same poster with a new name (because it has happened before). It's not going to change anytime soon so you have to just get used to it.

[Optimus_Steel]

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Many also said that Christie was just what we needed - defensive minded, assisting and outside shooting 2 guard. Between he and Francis ball movement was near non-existent, Christie was brought in to help that, and give us a lock down 2 guard.

But that was my opinion of the move, so perhaps my memory is colored by that.

I agree, i was glad that Francis and Cuttino were split up because those 2 played 2 on 5 when they were on the floor. Didnt work out with Christie like i thought it would but the "loving couple" needed to be seperated at some point.